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Henry WH Hack v2.0

12:00 AM

take care

Thanks, you too

Henry WH Hack v2.0

keep claim and

start worrying.

@GypsySpellweaver So how are you?

Colossus & Other Early Computers

Early PCs at the National Museum of Computing

Some good stuff.^

I am now going to watch the second video.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 did you know that the first electronic computers were analog, not digital?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Is there a first computer?

BTW:

.......

thinking

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 there's always a first, but computer by what definition? The abacus is a computer.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

12:10 AM

Yes I remember when I use to use the abacus my school back in 1776.

It was sooooo long ago.

@nocomprende This is a really interesting answer that I never considered.

thesecretmaster

1:00 AM

If you were to give each review queue a color, what would that color be?

It's for my userscript

1:23 AM

First posts green, and close votes red

thesecretmaster

1:34 AM

Suggested edits orange

1 hour later…

3:03 AM

Low quality posts yellow?

Gypsy Spellweaver

3:21 AM

Reopen: blue, Late answers: orchid

Tomorrow, about 10 hours hence, I'll be taking my partner to check into the hospital for a CAT scan which likely will lead to a femoral artery bypass. Much more prep to do here, and then the adventure itself. Activity will be sparse, and often mobile :( so don't expect much. Still, I'll at least be checking in frequently and probably dropping random shots at things :)

3 hours later…

6:47 AM

ok. I'm back

The Raiders of Las Vegas

7:34 AM

welcome

2 hours later…

9:09 AM

Thanks, I guess. :P

-1

Q: Is there anyone who can give me the code for the cell phone car game ?

can you help me The codes I wrote do not work

javascript game-design

This needs to be closed.

(blatantly off topic)

Perhaps, we can suggest where it would be on topic.

(migration?)

9:26 AM

It would be too broad anywhere except for TooBroadAndUnclear.stackexchange.com

ItaMETA strikes back

10:20 AM

@ItamarG3 That particular question could be closed for almost any reason. Off-topic or unclear would be perfect. We can make several custom reasons, but what we don't have are what any of those custom reasons should actually be.

@BenI. Which is why I think the one I proposed would be useful

Oh, I see. But if your proposed one is a perfect subset of one that already exists, than what is it adding?

Actually, more importantly, I would be afraid that it is a little meaner. :(

Fair point. I suppose my main problem is the confusing and not too useful help center.

I can't disagree with you there. :P

We get to add, IIRC, 3 reasons, but they should be used for things that aren't (at least adequately) handled by the defaults that we've already got.

But I'm impressed the user deleted the question. They might have read the tour as I suggested.

10:33 AM

:)

@BenI. For example, should tag formats (like the triview and maybe others) be absent from a question, that might be a useful one.

What do you think of Richard's question now? Should I delete all the comments?

@ItamarG3 I agree that's not covered, but I'd be surprised if a question were closed for mis-tagging. Some high-rep user would probably just fix the tags

Off site resources should use the resource request tag. It has 2-3 distinct questions in it. But definitely better.

@BenI. Yes, but what if a user wants a curriculum reviewed, but doesn't stick to the format? The format is meant to make it clear beyond question (heh, puns) what the question really is, and what is being requested for review.

(I added the resource-request tag)

@BenI. You should delete all the comments now. I think it's a viable question. Still unsure, but let's roll with it :P

10:37 AM

@ItamarG3 Oh, I see. That would be something different.

With only 3 tags so far with required formats, and those being rather underutilized, I'd want to hold off on that until the problem starts to actually exist, but I see what you mean there. That genuinely wouldn't be covered by any of the current reasons. Some sort of "off format"

Yes. That's a better way to put it. And, don't be so sure about the tags being underused wink

We can only hope :)

11:18 AM

@BenI. I have need of the introductory-programming o.o

Students with no experience whatsoever.

and a curriculum meant to teach them about CS and programming in java.

@BenI. ok if I create it? This really is introductory, to complete novices.

@BenI.?

CS Educators Meta

11:37 AM

1

Q: Off topic reasons - How are they added (with specific request to add a specific one)

We have 3 off topic close reasons: the defaults (migration, "off topic as described in the help center" and other). Great. But, some new users might try to ask questions that have nothing to do with Computer Science Education. To use Stack Overflow's wording: Blatantly Off topic I am talki...

discussion vote-to-close close-reasons

@CSEducatorsMeta Amazing.

Nooooooo!!

(ooooooooooo)

11:53 AM

@BenI. So, I can't

@ItamarG3 I tried to provide some thoughts on your curriculum question. Besides, hello everybody :)

0

A: The order of subjects in beginner's curriculum

I once wrote a course to introduce Java. My order of topics was as follows: (Note: Those are not lessons, just the order if written the topics down). Obligatory Hello World, console output Comments This is something missing in the curriculum you provided. I don't know how important it reall...

@TuringTux I just finished reading your answer. Wow. I feel foolish for not seeing those corrections. Thank you!

@ItamarG3 I've just given an answer to your recent question that is, alas, probably not helpful to you, but which I hope might be to others with more freedom of action.

@ItamarG3 Thank you for the nice feedback. I'm glad it could help :)

Well, technically I have a few degrees of freedom in what is taught. The ministry doesn't care about 9th or 10th grade. Only 11th and 12th are important to it (matriculation exams)

12:04 PM

@Buffy Hey! Should I send that email out today?

Also, hey everyone :)

Hello @BenI

@BenI. yes. I guess you missed my earlier post here. Don't expect much before mid week at least.

@BenI. sometimes i think of interesting things. Gender, for whatever reason, has been for me the most interesting topic my whole life.

12:22 PM

my question might go HNQ o.o 3 answers in 1 hour.

@nocomprende yes, that's a very interesting subject

Also, @ItamarG3, I'm actually not active here. I pop up on a bunch of metas across the network sometimes.

thesecretmaster

Hello @Mithrandir

o/ @thes

@Mithrandir Thought so.

1:23 PM

@BenI. It might be a good idea to think of some expected content in something-review answers...

Yes! HNQ

thesecretmaster

Anything that reviews the lesson/curriculum/etc?

and if it doesn't address what's written in the last section (that has to be there, according to the format outline)?

I wonder if I might rep cap today again o.o, I'm off to a good start XD

1 hour later…

2:32 PM

Relatively slow for a HNQ... :(

'tis a small site

That's true...

2:51 PM

@nocomprende by the way, you can change your avatar to the one you use on CS Educators if you want; just go to your profile and click [change] next to parent user, then pick the CS Educators site and it'll sync up with this site's avatar.

3:44 PM

I hate my internet.

4:39 PM

@ItamarG3 Careful, or you'll hurt its feelings.

I can just reset it, if I accidentally insult it.

I think the HNQ algorithm favors Ellen specifically XD

5:20 PM

@Buffy Sent!

@ItamarG3 Your HNQ is pretty high on that list, no?

@BenI. Keep me informed.

yes, but no one is viewing it (500 as opposed to 3k)

@richard Take Note. I won't pollute the answer stream with this, tho.

user image

5:37 PM

oh. 3 HNQs

@Buffy Yessir!

@BenI. Hmmm. you keep sayin' that.

5:52 PM

Does anyone know the requirements for a site icon? I have an idea.

The icon is typically designed by SE's in-house site design team when sites graduate

ok

I think they do take ideas before starting their designs

But graduation is usually when the site consistently gets 10 questions per day

e.g. this is what they did for Worldbuilding:

97

Q: Worldbuilding Site Design

I'm Kurtis, a product designer at Stack Exchange. First off, congratulations on your recent site graduation! Graduation and Your Site Design Graduation comes with a few perks. We have already begun work on your site's design based on the community's ideas so that the design gives you a unique t...

discussion design

user image

Adapted from openclipart.org

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Aurora0001 Hi! :)

@Buffy Nice

idea:

user image

Danit hold on.

6:10 PM

Hmmm

user image

Henry WH Hack v2.0

user image

I just crossed 7k :)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Nice! :)

zowie

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Almost to 10K

@Buffy We will run into some trouble if we used that one.

6:12 PM

Actually, I designed something like the original apple logo in about 1965. Didn't tm or copyright it, tho.

Always felt bad about that. I could have been pals with woz

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Oh k

@Buffy WOWAH! WOWAH! WOWAH!

I think it's WOWA

This one

user image

Not my R in the corner, alas.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

You designed that?

Well, not as a commercial thing. Something for a person named "Del"

Date bait. Failed, tho.

But we stayed friendly.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

4 mins ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Buffy WOWAH! WOWAH! WOWAH!

Did I told anyone I created this image:

user image

6:19 PM

Not me, anyway

But isn't that Opus?

=)

I open chat - what do I see? ... Oh, big penguin. Nice.

Hello everyone :) Big in HNQs again, as it seems ;)

6:40 PM

So, so many penguins here.

Penguin me is pleased.

Non-native-speaker me is ashamed.

6:52 PM

One more edit and I can cast close votes... I'm excited O_O

@TuringTux Looks like you just got past 500; congratulations

Oh, nice! @Aurora0001 Thank you :)

Reputation on Meta hasn't updated yet - I think this is the first time I experience this.

I notice the Area 51 stats show:

150 users with 200+ rep (on pace for 128 users at 90 days)
10 users with 2,000+ rep (on pace for 10 users at 90 days)
5 users with 3,000+ rep (on pace for 5 users at 90 days)

Oh, nice.

The "on pace" numbers seem very conservative.

We already have 4 users over 3,000 and 3 over 2,500.

7:06 PM

Is there any way to see how the Area 51 stats changed over time? I'd like to keep track of them changing.

It seems we're on pace for more than 5 being over 3,000 28 days from now. (We're currently at 62 days in beta.)

I think it's just floor((number of users over threshold / age of site) * 90)

hmm, that's not quite right actually

thesecretmaster

7:19 PM

Interesting meta, relevant for us:

13

Q: Good Subjective and Knowledge Questions vs Problems You Face

Currently the Don't Ask page of SE sites indicates "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face" however Good Subjective, Bad Subjective, as well as a great many non-technical Stack Exchange sites delve in to topics which aren't always problem based....

discussion asking-questions help-center subjective help-center-proposed

7:34 PM

@BenI. Re your question about notable women: notabletechnicalwomen.org

@Buffy I have an entire site design made. I just don't know how to test it... I made the svg files needed (according to the resources tab in F-12 in chrome)

You coudl put it in a userscript and share it for everyone else (if you need any help with that, I can probably point you in the right direction)

givz me teh halp plze

Step 1: install userscript extension of your choice (e.g. Tampermonkey)

done already.

7:49 PM

Step 2: Create a new script

thesecretmaster

Ooo I tampermonkey!

Step 3: set the @match correctly

(you want // @match https://cseducators.stackexchange.com/*)

but how do I use the userscript to test my design?

SO rep and CSE rep equal. Yes!

That's step 4 ;)

oh

7:57 PM

Well, I'm lying actually

That's step 5

Step 4: add this at the top: // @grant GM_addStyle

@Aurora0001 liar liar tux on fire

Step 5: use the function GM_addStyle to add some custom CSS into the page

You just use it like this: GM_addStyle('your css string here')

but what about the svg files?

That's a bit more painful. I guess something like this is the easiest:

19

A: Replace remote JavaScript file with a local debugging copy using Greasemonkey or userscript

So basically, as @BrockAdams identified, there are a couple of solutions to these types of problem depending on the requirements, and they follow either 1 of 2 methods. the browser API switcharoo. The proxy based interception befiddlement. the browser API switcharoo. Both firefox and chrome ...

Unless you can override with CSS

oh my. That's plenty difficult.

thesecretmaster

8:23 PM

Will i.stack.imgur host svgs?

not as far as I know

8:50 PM

I think it's clear that if a tag has an expected format, answers in that tag should also, to an extent, follow some format.

I think that trying to legislate/determine/say what members can write in answers is a lost cause. I think that is especially true when we want to encourage people to contribute. Anything that seems like a barrier will have a perverse effect.

True, but we can point to some meta post containing tips on how to answer such questions...

thesecretmaster

That sounds fine. Keep in mind, it's hard to get an answer deleted.

Premature Optimization is a thing, actually. The quote is from Knuth, and the site is the original wiki.

Guidance is fine.

thesecretmaster

So I don't see what it'll change, but tips are always good.

9:01 PM

Askers of questions are a smaller group, so guidance there is likely to have some effect, even if not perfect. Answerers are unlikely to look for any rules as they are thinking what to say in answer, not for style guidelines.

is it possible I'll mortar today, again?? Woah.

user image

just playing around

2.6 q/d... :(

thoughts about the design?

9:32 PM

A mortarboard seems like an obvious icon, not specific to CS. When I graduated, people made their mortarboards look like an 8" floppy.

10:27 PM

Anybody interested, a wiki excerpt is up for review...

:P

YES! capped :)

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