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6:00 PM

I may be entirely wrong (about it being US-centric; just my experience of not hearing it over here), but I feel like it'd be good to have tags that don't require explanation (because people don't read tag descriptions anyway :P)

And I suspect the definitions of them varies from place to place

@BenI. It depends what kind of site you want to build. If you want a site with mainly US educators, then tailoring the tags to a US audience might make sense, but if the system seems designed for US-only questions, perhaps a more international audience will just think the site is not meant for them

I guess my first thought is that a (for instance) Lithuanian-centered tag would be just as welcome, as long as it's a defined curriculum.

Is CS1 clearly defined? If so, that's probably ok

AP is nominally international, but 95%+ of the time, it is offered in the US.

That was the big question during the discussion. I think Ellen suggested that it is not 100% defined, but it is fairly close.

So, it would be borderline

OTOH, she did say that without it, we would be likely to have fewer academics here

Do we actually need the tags at all? Can't we just scrap it completely?

If you are suggesting that having them will give us fewer international academics, then I'm not sure where to go with that. We want the resource to be useful for all CS educators, regardless of level or nationality.

That's where we basically are now

When those tags have come around, they've largely been removed (so far)

6:11 PM

If they're going to be used sparingly, it's probably OK, but even then, using cs0 without a clear definition makes those questions inaccessible to those who don't know the usage of it anyway

I suppose it's hard to avoid with course-specific questions

Are you sure that they're not used internationally? I'm in the US, but I never heard of them before I came to.this site, so it might just be collegiate-level designators.

(meaning that they might be used internationally, but non academics would be unlikely to have run across the designators)

No, not sure at all, but I couldn't find much reference to CS1 over here (or anywhere on Google) which led me to think it was US-specific. Maybe it's just jargon from university lecturers instead.

But I don't think there's such a tradition of numbering courses over here anyway.

e.g. CS101 isn't something I hear much

I think that cs0 and cs1 might have been created as designators to get around the fact that every institution does it's own numbering. But this is purely speculation on my part.

Back.

I personally think the status quo is easiest. Not everything has to go in tags anyway

Also, anyone think this ought to just be deleted?

It's completely off-topic and unsalvageable, so it's not a good example for the site

6:31 PM

yep

Eh well, only 800 rep until I can vote to get rid of it

Gypsy Spellweaver

Cast my vote on that earlier.

I think the roomba should delete it eventually, if no-one upvotes the answers

Gypsy Spellweaver

Welp, I finally got a copy of the paper Ellen referenced earlier. Seems to make the CS_ designations even more un-helpful

thesecretmaster

How do you all feel about removing CS0/CS1 (or any class name) from the body of questions where they are not relevant?

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:38 PM

drive.google.com/open?id=0B9XEw3a3QXDJbjNnMnRqREd0Q0U

Got it shared now

Basic result is that there's no agreement what CS1/CS2 is or students know after finishing

I was thinking that the tags would be ok if we had a solid description in the tag wiki. Seems we can't create such a definition that is generally accepted. :(

@Aurora0001 oh, and thank you! It appears I do (though I got no notification on my top bar, which is odd. Perhaps because I already had the privilege during private beta?)

Yeah, probably

I think you only get notified once

@thesecretmaster from the body of the question? That makes me uncomfortable, because none of us are from that world. We haven't even resolved the tag discussion for those designators yet.

6:58 PM

So now that we have all the intro-prog collected in the drive, we wait until? I'm still unsure on when exactly the "purge" beings

That's a great question. We're working around meta a little here. I think we're waiting to see about upvotes on @thesecretmaster's post

7:15 PM

Hey, we just got our verbal designators on a51!!!

"Needs Work" on questions per day. No kidding :P

Yay!

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:32 PM

Got a question of perceptions. Is 100% answered good or bad. Think it's good for people looking for answers, they think yes, I can get a answer here. Not so good for experts, they think, well, I guess they don't need my help.

1 hour later…

8:36 PM

I think it's good. To me it means we're getting a lot of healthy discussion, so we are adding value.

I can't keep up with the site today. Usually I read every answer (and vote/comment as needed), but there's too much activity for me.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Have you seen the latest meta question?

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Q: Adding education level tags?

In browsing the site today I noticed a number of questions where the first comment was "what level of education" (or similar). We should add tags to help answer that question and further categorize the question. We'd have to come up with something that was culture agnostic (E.g. US folks may no...

Possibly I am slowed by being restricted to my phone. :p

Gypsy Spellweaver

Still no power for the laptop? Or is it a different problem?

1 hour later…

10:02 PM

No power.

I don't know enough about TDD to evaluate this first post. Could someone else have a look?

cseducators.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/519

CS Educators Meta

10:18 PM

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Q: Adding education level tags?

In browsing the site today I noticed a number of questions where the first comment was "what level of education" (or similar). We should add tags to help answer that question and further categorize the question. We'd have to come up with something that was culture agnostic (E.g. US folks may no...

I only have 3 votes left today! : P

90 minutes left... I might get that voting badge... Whatever it's called...

mumblemumblemumble

Gypsy Spellweaver

@BenI. Valid points, probably not much help to the OP, but that's for him to judge, not me.

@BenI. There's actually two voting badges :) Suffrage and Vox Populi

If you don't do enough votes on questions, you can't get the Vox Populi.

I vote on nearly everything, and I think we don't get enough questions per answer for me to get that.

11:11 PM

i think i've got a vox populi

not sure.

Gypsy Spellweaver

If you get a vox populi, you've also got suffrage automatically

yep

yeah, i've got both, just checked the badges tab of the profile

Gypsy Spellweaver

You're in a very small group there. Only 3 so far. Maybe more to come though.

and thanks to the coding-analogy-for-parents question, I got the mortarboard badge, which is kind of cool =)

Gypsy Spellweaver

11:30 PM

I've only gotten that one time on all my sites.

I've gotten that 7 times on this site, which means that on all my sites, I've gotten it... 7 times.

I've never even come vaguely close anywhere else.

i've gotten it a couple times on physics.SE

i don't know if i've gotten it anywhere else; probably not.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I only got it by accident doing janitorial services.

I got 200 of the 380 pts I earned that day.

there should be a badge:mop-wielder - earn mortarboard via editing.

11:46 PM

Hear, hear!

+1 Heather

was it agreed to create cs1?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Hopefully our site never needs that kind of editing.

@GypsySpellweaver well, aren't you planning it with the introductory-programming

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not even close :)

380 points for edits, how many edits is that? How many questions do we even have?

no, 2pts per edit, 200 is rep cap, so 100 edits

there are 157 questions, i think

Gypsy Spellweaver

11:51 PM

That excludes the other 180 points I didn't get because of the the 220 cap.

(11 pgs at 15 q per page, last page has only 7)

Gypsy Spellweaver

And, at the time I was low rep, so I could only do 5 edits until they were peer reviewed.

ick, i'm sorry.

Gypsy Spellweaver

And the high rep users could only approve 20 edits/day .

So it took a lot of "help" for those edits to get done.

oh, yep, the consensus seems to be leaning toward cs1 in the conversation

@Gypsy, wait, so 380 pts -> 190 edits -> 10 high rep users??

geesh.

Gypsy Spellweaver

11:55 PM

That was a very busy weekend. And I was only one of the editors as well. It was a massive, coordinated effort to do some significant clean up on Super User.

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