The Classroom

12:26 AM

Pass.

Ok

No real interest, and not even sure it's got enough "experts" to go with. Seems, from the description, that it's probably better as a part of ServerFault, unless they kick related questions out.

I think it's a duplicate.

Dup of what?

stackoverflow

12:33 AM

Really? I could see Server Fault, or Super User, and maybe even Web Masters if the question is right, but Stack Overflow? Isn't that program coding?

Ok well we will see the out come of that proposal when Robert Cartaino comes around.

He is usually the guy who closes the proposals on Area51.SE.

Before regular users was able to close proposals.

But that feature was removed.

Seems he's almost the only face the CM team presents to Area 51, or to new sites as well.

Q: Possible duplicate of StackOverflow?

12:53 AM

I opened a meta:

0

Proposal: Cloud Computing All of the services list on this proposal is already covered by StackOverflow The AWS, Azure and the OpenStack tags on StackOverflow. Should there be a new site to cover these services?

Keep me posted on that.

@GypsySpellweaver thanks, Gypsy!

Q: Why does Windows 10 need its own site?

@HenryWHHackv2.0 see this one:

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Proposal: Windows 10 Windows 10 is very much on-topic on Super User, with a tag that has more than 13K questions. Why do we need a specific site dedicated to it?

technology

@GypsySpellweaver yes I saw it before.

Is RC the only CM left alive at SE?

12:59 AM

Well we have Shog9

Is he a CM though, or a develper?

technology area51-meta discussion proposal-scope life business status-completed

Shog9 ♦, Colorado, United States

2.2k 2 15 31

CM

He's active in lots of MSE posts, ain't seen him much outside of a few other meta sites though.

and this guy area51.stackexchange.com/users/38417/jon-ericson

Here is a list of SE employees :

stackoverflow.com/company/team

@GypsySpellweaver Does that help with things?

The informed badge is this most easiest badge to get I mean you can get it just by going on the tour page staying there for a while without reading anything and after a few minutes you will get it.

1:14 AM

Depending on how things shape up here for the autodidacts, a different proposal worth watching is

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Self-directed learning

Proposed Q&A site for anyone interested in self-directed learning (MOOCs, OCW, libraries, etc.), as a student, teacher, researcher or other enthusiast.

Currently in definition.

Looks like it might be stalled, but who knows.

I just got the informed badge.

Maybe RC will come after me for doing what I just did.

Oh dear

This is just a act:

@GypsySpellweaver I have to leave this place he's coming.

uh oh. Did you trip a sensor somewhere?

I don't know.

Then why leave?

@GypsySpellweaver I am acting you know. ;)

I have to go away and hide in the shadows.

1:24 AM

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A: Possible duplicate of StackOverflow?

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BTW, there have been several failed attempts in the past to offer a Cloud Computing site: Generic Cloud Computing AWS-specific Azure However, none of them have reached the required support. How does this proposal compare to StackOverflow? StackOverflow currently receives the most cloud-ori...

Looks like someone agrees with you.

1:51 AM

Darn, most people are gone

I wanted help figuring out some questions that could still use more help (for my reddit post on cseducation)

Q: Teaching loop invariant choice

6

This is in line with a prior question I asked about teaching induction, but this is specific to the loop invariant step. I have not had great success helping my students see how to choose a loop invariant that will (1) always be correct (ie. actually be a loop invariant) and (2) create the struc...

lesson-ideas cs-theory induction

Q: Excel macro recorder exercises

3

On advanced Excel courses I teach attendees how to use the macro recorder. I also start VBA beginner trainings with the recorder and analysing the recorded code. I find the macro recorder a good entry point to learning VBA and programming. I'm always struggling with exercises though. What exerci...

introductory-programming ms-office exercises adult-education

Q: Teaching with just a single Makey Makey and Sphero

1

Last summer I was excited to get my hands on a Makey Makey. I played around with it for a couple days, but it ended up just gathering dust for most of the year. The same goes for a Sphero SPRK. They were fun to play around with, but they weren't overtly connected to what I was teaching, so I did...

lesson-ideas high-school engagement makey-makey sphero

Q: How to get girls more interested in computer science?

6

It’s no secret that despite the phenomenal rise in computing over the last 50 years, women are still not engaging with computer science at the same rate as men. Girls are less likely to enroll in introductory computer science courses in school and the number of females studying computer science ...

diversity-gap

^\o/^ ^^^

That's a perennial question that ought to spur some real interest.

All of STEM wants the answer to that question

Q: Using Processing as an entry point in an Introductory Course

2:00 AM

3

We have two entry points for programming students here: one is web-oriented and features HTML5/CSS3/ECMA6, and the other is in a robotics environment using LabView. Both classes address the "big 5": variables, objects, functions, conditional logic, and iteration. We are thinking about a new e...

processing introductory-programming

How many do you want to post?

Maybe just those 4? And I'll lead with the girls one

Er, those 5 :)

Q: Best Practices / Effective Strategies For Building Diversity In High School CS Programs

There's a related one too

3

What works for building programs that are accessible to "non-traditional" CS students and which help to support the students so that they enjoy the class, start seeing themselves as "CS types," and ultimately succeed in the program and go on in CS? References to concrete evidence and past attemp...

equity social-context

I think the book/movie Hidden Figures could help if girls had more exposure to it.

Yeah, I wondered if the girl one and the equity one should both be in our first announcement on reddit, or if we should just stick with the girl one for now

For reddit, just the girls. It's a guarantee for attention, add the general diversity later, if it's still low. Or if it's gone big too.

You do realize that cleaning up comments on some of these will be a full-time job?

2:07 AM

reddit.com/r/CSEducation/comments/6h4klb/…

(reload for the small edit)

Also, if you have a reddit account, don't forget to upvote it :)

Ok, time to be a teacher again. I'm old-school and social media disconnected. What is reddit?

It's... basically an unfathomably vast web board. Subreddits (the word after the "/r/" in the url) are the communities (which you "subscribe" to). Popular content gets voted up to the top, and is continually replaced by new content.

It's not social media at all

It's nearly fully anonymous, and they were total extremists about not shutting down any content for years, until they (after many years) started shutting down child-porn and revenge-porn rings

So it's communities not individuals, though individuals are in the communities. Similar in nature to SE, just discussion rather than Q&A?

And after that, they went after the most extreme forms of hate-speech, like the communities devoted to trolling the rest of reddit to convince fat people to kill themselves. (And the like)

It's supposed to be community modded, but the mods are of varying quality.

It's pretty different, but I can't describe how exactly

Do highly voted subreddit posts end up on the reddit page?

2:17 AM

Some subreddits are just wonderful. I love www.reddit.com/r/aww and www.reddit.com/r/programmerjokes

There are some amalgamations of generalized pages like that. I tend to avoid them, myself

There are subreddits for virtually anything you can think of

2:59 AM

FWIW, my newest favorite subreddit is /r/twinpeaks

3:13 AM

Did you upvote the reddit post? (Not that there's a hell of a lot of competition in that sleepy little corner of reddit)

I'm still reading their massive FAQ

I haven't watched Twin Peaks yet - I'm obsessed with Game of Thrones, though

Whose FAQ?

This new season is insane...I think it's utterly brilliant

I need a Reddit account at some point

reddit's

Oh, huh. I didn't remember that they had one.

3:19 AM

Heyo

So the beta Tuesday rule remains XD

I'm headed off to bed - what a great day it has been!

We got, like, 35 users today :)

Some of 'em even have points ;-)

Night!

Cheers!

nn

shivers. Nn means neural network, to me.

Night Night

3:36 AM

@GypsySpellweaver ok

Until later

yea, right.

6:04 AM

32 Avid users :P

Q: Should CS students be doing their tests on paper?

6:21 AM

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In some CS courses (especially undergraduate and high school courses) the tests and the final exam are written on paper without the use of a computer. But if the students are in a CS course, shouldn't they be allowed to use the computer? If some mistakes are difficult enough to not be noticeable ...

high-school grading undergraduate

this has 914 views!!!

That's a good thing, right?

very

and it got 6 more views in 2 minutes

kewl, wonder where it's linked from.

that's 3 times as many views as we would have gotten in an hour yesterday.

6:37 AM

Stackexchange main page shows 666 users

huh?

we're featured in stackexchange.com

stackexchange.com/sites?expand=true#newest

which is nothing too special, but it's fun to see

Oh. well, it'll update soon, I guess

7:07 AM

Just broke 1K views on that question!

Wish I knew how to find out where they're coming from. It's not in the reddit or twitter posts.

7:28 AM

Well, our questions per day is better than 73 other sites, 7 of them not in beta.

8:48 AM

how did that question get so many views?

it's really weird.

Q: Help center might need a few additions

9:57 AM

even in public, it's still eerily silent here.

@GypsySpellweaver it's still gaining in view count o.o

CS Educators Meta

0

Now that we're in public beta, it might be a good time to think about expanding parts of the help center. For example the what's on topic page isn't as helpful to new users as it can be. Additionally, the text here: (The above section was adapted from MetaFilter’s FAQ.) that suggests that...

discussion help-center

10:49 AM

Good morning EST

11:57 AM

@ItamarGreen It was a hot network question (it'll be shown on the sidebar under 'Hot Network Questions' for a while, because it has sufficient votes in a short time)

MarksCode

sup

12:13 PM

Hello

Hi

Turns out that tests on paper question is still very high on the hot questions list

That's why it's racking up all the views

12:45 PM

I don't see it on the sidebar, though

@BenI. There are 100 hot questions at a time. Only about 10 or 15 are shown on the sidebar (picked randomly)

Ah! Thanks

@Aurora0001 My only options for that new MVC answer are "Looks Okay" (it doesn't), "Edit" (I'm not the source of the information), "Recommend Deletion" (which I'd hate to do to a new user unless it's extreme), and "Skip" (which also seems not ideal)

They all seem like bad options.

I want to help foster a healthy beta site. How should I approach questions in the Low Quality queue?

Well, if it's any consolation, the post can't be deleted from the queue anyway, even if every user eligible to review it does so

You need 6 "Recommend Deletion" votes, but there are only 3 eligible users

Still, to answer your question, I think you should judge the post's quality, regardless of the fact that the user is new. You don't have to be mean—leaving an encouraging comment is a great idea—but you should make the decision in review that reflects the post's quality.

I would personally Recommend Deletion in its current state. If the post is edited, the review will be disputed anyway, so the OP does have a chance to fix it

1:10 PM

That was a very helpful answer all around

Thanks!

I'd give that an "Accept" and an upvote if I could

So, new users are coming in from the hot question (great!) and answering questions (great!) but not asking questions. Is that basically the norm?

@BenI. Well, you get a load of views on that question, but you're lucky if anyone sticks around

It's more like foot traffic on a high street. Lots of people going past and staring through the shop window... But no-one comes inside

2:03 PM

Bioinformatics has "9.1 questions per day", and has 210 questions overall. They've been hanging out close to 10 questions per day for quite a while now. In the meantime, we have "4.1 questions per day", have been around for 75% of the time they've been around, but have 121 questions.

Those numbers don't seem to match up

@BenI. It's only averaged over 14 days, and Bioinformatics looks vastly more active recently

Is that because they've been in public beta over the last week?

I think the activity comes from the fact that they already have established Bioinformatics sites (e.g. Biostars), and now people are trying this site

CS Educators isn't in the same position, unfortunately

2:21 PM

But I'm sure we'll get there if we keep up (and increase) the good work

3:50 PM

Would @EllenSpertus be a good moderator for this site? She's later to the game here, but brought us a wave of users when we needed it, and knows a lot about this field.

Possibly, if she wants to invest the time in it.

4:38 PM

Hey-o

Hi, Itamar :)

Wow, at least 70 users in under 18 hours, I think

@BenI. Hi

How come I can edit something whenever I feel like it, but it still takes several voters before an edit can be approved, even if I am one of the voters?

because you have 1k+ rep

I understand if the system feels like semi-trusted people should have to collectively vote on edits, but if the system trusts a user enough to take edits directly, shouldn't their votes be sufficient to suggest that an edit is worthwhile?

Q: How to bring attention to computational complexity?

4:44 PM

I see your point.

Well, sometimes it's better to have more than one person look into an edit. If it is obviously good\bad, then the reviews will reflect that (unless there's a naughty reviewer, but we have a small community at the moment, so I doubt there is one)

7

Many beginners strive to solve given problems, without thinking about efficiency of solution. Consider such Python code: data = [int(n) for n in input().split()] max_el = max(data) # count multiplicity of every element in data counting_table = [data.count(i) for i in range(max_el+1)] This s...

algorithms

this one also has many, many views

@BenI. btw, I am pretty sure that it is
O(n\,log(n))

log base 2 is lg for short

log(n) is just undefined

Binary logarithm

In mathematics, the binary logarithm (log2 n) is the power to which the number 2 must be raised to obtain the value n. That is, for any real number x, x = log 2 ⁡ n ⟺ 2 x = n . {\displaystyle x=\log _{2}n\quad \Longleftrightarrow \quad 2^{x}=n.} For example, the binary logarithm of 1 is 0, the binary logarithm of 2 is 1, the binary logarithm of 4 is 2, and the...

ok, edit accepted :P

Hmm... I linked to the notation section, but it rendered the top of the page

I'll make it even better (one moment)

but the link goes to the notation section.

That's a fine fix as well :)

4:53 PM

I'm glad you approve :)

I feel this 3k views question is a great jump start for our site. I think it brought many new users (some answered the question, which is why I'm assuming that it brought them here)

I wish I could word another question about pulling girls in - there's so much activity on the site right now, it would become another hot question right away. Plus it would get dialogue going about that issue

I agree. Maybe this could help you: My school takes girls to a tour of Microsoft (in the country; there's a Microsoft center over here, so they go there) once a year (taking the 11th graders of each year). While this is an attempt to engage girls in Computer Science, it is not enough. It does however make them a bit more interested (this I know because I asked a few of them this year when they came back)

5:10 PM

I don't understand your sentence "Use this tag to ask questions about teaching various aspects of the MVC design pattern, and not for questions about the design pattern in general." Do you mean "about design patterns in general"?

about mvc in general. It's a tag for asking about teaching mvc design pattern, not about the pattern itself. While those questions can be useful for some, they might not be fully withing the site's scope of computer science education.

actually now that I wrote that I see that the tag edit isn't as good as it can be

I'll fix it

Hello everyone. What did I miss over the past 8 hours?

many new users

and 3k views question

We've got a "hot question" on the stack exchange network, so it's bringing in a lot of new users. Only 1 new question, though. But lots of answers

10 answers, in the stretch of 21 hours.

5:16 PM

That's pretty fanstastic

10 new users since I last refreshed the a51 page. O.o (which is about 5-10 minutes)

I was trying to think of a way to bring the girl question back around - if there were a fresh take on it (that wasn't a strict duplicate) it could easily become another hot question right now

You're right.

Which one? The "How can we fix STEMs gender gap" question?

MAybe rewording the concept as removing the male stereo type from CS?

Ellen Spertus

5:19 PM

@BenI. It's kind of you to suggest me as a moderator, but I think other people have invested more time, and I'm not sure I can commit the time to being a moderator.

I do think it would be good to have someone at the college-level as a moderator, in addition to people at the high school level.

That was my thought as well, and I thought you would make an excellent choice

But I definitely respect not having enough time, and thanks for the time and energy that you do contribute. Your input is certainly appreciated from my little corner!

Of course, right now, there are no other reasonable alternatives at a university level as far as I can tell :P

@BenI. Old questions very rarely become hot; the algorithm favours very new questions

@BenI. Just wait a few years and I'll be at the university level ... as a student

:)

@Aurora0001 I know that - that's why I wanted a new question

Oh. Note to self: read transcript before replying :P

5:25 PM

;-)

In team discussions (robotics team) we have a 10 minutes rule which says that when someone joins, they stay quite for 10 minutes, and only then they can talk. This makes sure they know what's going on.

@BenI. that nomination didn't format correctly

If only there was a graph that showed how well we're doing. Then we could learn how to improve even more. cough Just kidding. I've seen quite a few metas for different sites and from what I see we're doing relatively good for now.

Oh, it's alright. Robert fixed it.

@ItamarGreen You can see the traffic graph on Quantcast

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huh. I just noticed again that my nomination got a downvote. :( (ouch)

5:33 PM

And at 4k 5k, the site analytics will unlock, so you can see things like questions/day; new users and so on

@Aurora0001 I never knew about that site. Thanks o-o

@EllenSpertus I nominated you anyway, but I mentioned that you indicated you did not have time. You can always edit the nomination if you change your mind, but there is absolutely no pressure to do so.

@Aurora0001 oh, so just in a bit ;) (so, so far...)

@ItamarGreen I promise it wasn't me!

I just starred Aurora's link

Or you can bother a moderator, when they're appointed; they will unlock the analytics privilege, and can use it (although sharing the data verbatim is discouraged)

Also, I lied; it's 5k, not 4k

5:36 PM

I don't pay too much attention to that. I'm sure the downvoters had their reasons, and that's perfectly ok. CM team would make their choice and, because they know what they're doing, it would be what's best for the site, so I'd be all for it.

@Aurora0001 8-<

@Aurora0001 I'm not going to bother moderators with anything except for flagging things if their attention is needed.

Oh wow, quantcast has so many weird stats about this site.

how do they have those stats, anyway?

Evercookies?

probably... yum

5:58 PM

urrrm. @thesecretmaster any thoughts on Richard's question? It's like an edit war...

I think it's getting pretty good now

Really unclear. I CVed

good in what way? I'm still not sure what exactly he's asking. Is he asking to create a lesson plan for him? or is he asking for suggestion for lesson plans on "something about computational thinking"?

He's asking us to plan his job interview for him

Hes asking for ideas that he can investigate for non-programmers to learn about CD on a computer after spending 15 with paper and lectures.

6:02 PM

Job interview sample lessons are tough to plan

@thesecretmaster That's about half of it yes. Though he has been honest, eventually, about that point

CD?

@thesecretmaster I think that's putting it quite bluntly. It's not so black or white...

I'd be inclined to treat it the same as a homework question on SO. He's willing to work, just lost in the weeds a bit.

Agreed

No straight answers, but some good pointers and directions.

I.e., help him find his own answer.

6:05 PM

@GypsySpellweaver He hasn't shown much effort and research

@ItamarGreen Opps, s/CD/CS/

I'm brainstorming, but... 30 minutes with 2 activities, no knowledge of the kids themselves, and totally standalone is a tough nut to crack

oh

I've had to do similar tasks. I had to give a lesson on dynamic programming and memoization to high school students for 25 minutes, with no knowledge about their background (and no indication of whether I would even have access to a projector)

Again, I'll point out that he hasn't shown any effort. I think we should encourage him to show what he has in mind, and then work with him from there.

6:06 PM

He has ideas, and knows what to use for the 1st ½, it's the non-programmer oriented 2nd ½ on the computer that's got him lost

I disagree

With @ItamarGreen

He's looking for an angle and an approach to these horrible sample lessons you have to give

They are taking him outside his normal box with the part of little programming experience.

Dear god, when I had to plan my sample lesson, I would have been all over this site if it had existed. I spent easily 15 hours working on one 25 minute lesson.

half-agree with @ItamarGreen, knowing what's in part one can help define where to go with part two.

@BenI. I didn't see it that way.

6:09 PM

Brainstorming the initial conceit was really, really hard

Using the "show your work" concept from SO and SU

I would be all for helping him, if (but not only if) he gave us a direction of what he thought.

@GypsySpellweaver couldn't have put it better :)

not asking for much. I doubt he has no ideas of his own. Any idea he gives would be a place to start from (kind of like any non-linear search algorithm. There needs to be an initial point)

I invited him to chat - I can make a separate room if you guys prefer. I'm happy to spend some time helping him brainstorm - hard hard hard hard problem

Well, since you've raised the point of define part one, comment as such. All comments are gone now BTW.

Ok, see the invite now.

I have to go eat now and then probably sleep (a matriculation exam tomorrow)

6:13 PM

Also, it'd be nice to have him specify his thoughts about part 2. He must have something.

@thesecretmaster exactly.

It might be best to spawn a new room if he does join the chat.

Good idea.

If he added some info about his current plans for part 1&2 I'd retract my CV. Until then, I still think it's unclear.

I like when we get a question that gets us all thinking and refining things.

6:14 PM

Perfect for beta, and good practice for the mental muscles as well. :D

yep

brb. duty calls

Do your doody well, sir!

6:29 PM

Oh, hey, @richard!

@BenI. I've created a room, maybe permanent, that it's looking like we might need.

richard

I have just been catching up, reading what you were saying.

@richard It can take a while :)

Let us know when you're caught up. We'll be here :)

@GypsySpellweaver made a room for helping you

The Guidance Office

Helping improve the quality of questions and answers to avoid ...

7:29 PM

Sanity check: This answer could be posted as it's own Q&A pair, right?

I don't understand the "The answer to your question" section at all, but his first part could be its own QA

But if he doesn't want to post it, that's okay

I might spin a question out of that myself, thinking about it --- there's a valuable question in there... I know that some folks teach Objects first, and some teach Objects last, but I've never understood Objects first at all, so I'd love to hear some justifications for it from practitioners who've actually used that tact

That's not really his question, though.

Sorry, I seem to have distracted myself here. As far as his question, yes, it could be its own QA pair, I think. I'm just not 100% sure I understand what he's said.

I'm... gonna go post a question...

I posted my question. He can still post his (and his answer) if he can make it more intelligible.

Sometimes, I feel like I'm having a conversation with myself...

7:56 PM

Maybe your are, and the room is only an echo of your thoughts.

Wooooooo

AnoE maxed out his 200 points today!! :D

8:11 PM

cseducators.stackexchange.com/help/badges/41/mortarboard

1 of 4 people to ever rep cap

And the rest were all on day 1 :P

We're still not in Stack Exchange Data Explorer...

8:23 PM

After today, we would no longer have the very lowest number of questions on our site. We squeaked past Arabic Language a few hours ago :)

sweet

And we're fifth from the bottom in visits/day!

And steadily rising in number!

8:57 PM

Is CodeHS a paid service?

There is a free plan and paid plans

A: Workflow for Code Submission

This post is on-topic, but is promoting your own paid service allowed on SE?

0

On CodeHS we have a very streamlined system for submitting and managing student work. You can use our courses, or if you want, create your own assignments and starter code. The students can run the Java code all in the web browser (or if you'd like in your own IDE), and then when they click submi...

As long as you disclose your affiliation, I believe yes it is

A: Limits for self-promotion in answers

My instinct would be to allow it, as it is clearly on-topic and relevant, but I want to make sure that that's not running afoul of SE rules

Here is the relevant rule

75

Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion, particularly Ira. Based on what we've decided in this question, I have updated the /faq on all sites to make it policy: May I promote products I am affiliated with here? The community generally frowns on overt self-promotion and te...

So this particular post is pretty clearly okay

CS Educators Meta

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Q: A dedicated room in chat for lesson-ideas and curriculum-design

At his point we have 20 questions tagged lesson-ideas. 4 have accepted answers, and only 2 are on the unanswered tab. We also have 17 questions tagged curriculum-design. # of which have accepted answers, and only 1 is on the unanswered tab. In both cases some of the questions have needed some b...

discussion

9:15 PM

Yes, because of disclosed affiliation. However, it's borderline to me.

9:25 PM

I have to go and contact suicide help.

@thesecretmaster we were editing at the same time :)

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Don't commit suicide, please.

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Contacting them is a great idea. Do you have the information you need about how to reach them?

All I want is some peace and quiet from children who doesn't listen to anyone.

Stop doing X

child still doing X

once again Stop it

child still doing

It's annoying

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Are you making a joke regarding suicide?

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I am just checking, because I do not want to misunderstand.

@BenI. Well I am not joking but also I'm not that serious.

I need a sound proof room were I can lock myself in and stay there forever.

Also we shouldn't be talking these things here.

Last time I talked about a personal issue in my life I got suspended.

It's true that this is not the appropriate forum

However, if you are having suicidal ideation, your best option is probably to call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. People are on call there to talk to people struggling with the same kind of issues you are, regardless of location. US: +1-800-273-8255. If calling's not good, they can chat with you live online. Just go to this site, and you can talk with someone online from 10PM-6AM UTC: suicidepreventionlifeline.org/GetHelp/LifelineChat.aspx

9:38 PM

yes moving on:

I'm heading home - later, everyone!

l8r

@GypsySpellweaver Greetings friendly chat?

and don't forget google, digital ocean, rackspace, openstack environments, vmware clusters, etc etc — warren 34 mins ago

Is this a joke?

9:56 PM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Not sure what he meant. Maybe the other tags available for SO that could duplicate the content of that proposal. But, I'm no Oracle, so unless he clears it up himself we may never know WTF he meant.

The proposal does seem interesting.

You know what.

what?

I followed the proposal.

Because you liked it, or to try getting user number 2