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7:54 AM
hello
wow
I see a lot of activity has been going on. excellent
 
You missed a bunch, but it's been quiet lately.
Not sure, but it's possible that our HNQ has move views than the entire rest of the site.
 
 
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10:45 AM
I'm so surprised that the HNQ is still up. How cool for our little site!
For all that the majority of the foot traffic just passes through, we've gained >100 users in the last 24 hours, too, and a lot of them are doing some initial posting.
 
 
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1:36 PM
Makes me so happy to see how nicely things are going.
 
@thesecretmaster The Data Explorer is updated every Sunday, so CS Educators will be added at the weekend
 
2:14 PM
Hello People! :)
I am learning Cloud Computing.
 
Looks like the next "thing", so probably a good plan.
 
@GypsySpellweaver Yes a good plan to make me become a mod on the cloudcomputering.SE website when it comes that's if it comes.
>:)
Should I learn something just to become a mod?
@Aurora0001 Any say?
Wait
A nevermind
So it seems interested.
 
2:35 PM
@BenI. Seems like he doesn't like our policy on link only answers and thinks that we're mods
 
2:50 PM
But if one reads the comment section, there's a comment (I'm going to guess @BenI. wrote it) correcting about the moderators, and a bit about the link only policy. So I think overall that post is great exposure for this site.
I got the "nice question" on the question I least expected it from. Astonished face
 
i can understand his frustration with the no link policy under the circumstances, and I thought that his adaptation (of including the short summaries) was fair.
That was my comment back, yeah :)
Like him, I prioritize the health of real resources for teachers over this single site - ultimately, I'm motivated by helping kids. I think this site can be great, and I understand that our format here has certain strengths, so I want to help distill CSE into the very best resource it can be. But he's not wrong that whatever serves the needs of the teachers is ultimately what serves the needs of the students best in the long run.
@ItamarGreen Which question?
 
3:14 PM
Well, Stack Exchange sites are good for Q&A, but ultimately they aren't good if you're looking for a discussion site/forum
 
@Aurora0001 How about creating a network of forums?
 
@BenI. Did you see the original revision of his post?
And there isn't a no link policy, just a policy of including links with context
Here is the original version, if you didn't see it
With the summaries, it's not a bad answer at all.
 
I saw it, yeah - I supported what you guys were saying, and it was the right call. I just also understood why he was frustrated, and I thought that the ultimate outcome was good
 
On that same page, when viewed via mobile, in the "also on.." section he has a link to "Will we loose CD teachers to industry?" which is shown to be 4 months old. It's a 404 page.
Note: It is still there, and it comes up when you go through his posts. But on mobile it looks like a dead link. Frustrating. Worse when you go to a site looking for answers.
 
@GypsySpellweaver On which page?
 
3:26 PM
The linked blog. Where you commented about mods.
I was being lazy and using the phone (the delete post above was because of that) and it has an also on ... section below the comments.
 
I appreciated the links with context. I understand his point, and we walk a fine line as we bring a new demographic into the SE world. We want to be both welcoming and clear with rules.
 
@Peter "Please" can go a long way.
@BenI. ^^
The only reason I even tried to follow that link is because I recognized the comment poster and wanted to read what he'd said. Mobile gives me a 404 page. I had to search through the blog on desktop to find that blog post, then read the comment.
 
Very true - hence the "Be nice" policy
 
Mike Zamansky is an especially important person to bring here in the long run. He is very prominent in this field - among other things, AFAIK, he really was the first full time CS teacher in the US (he started in the 80s), and founded the first HS CS department, and he is currently founding (and in charge of) the new cs teacher program at Bard College - they begin accepting students next year.
That's not to say that we shouldn't enforce our rules. Everyone must follow the rules (including us and including him)
But we shouldn't be jerks, and convincing him of the value of this community will have an outsized impact on our development. He has a lot of followers and admirers
 
3:43 PM
Working on that now :)
 
"Founding director" - that's the word I was looking for!
 
@BenI. Totally agree
We want people like him to be an expert voice
 
Welcome, @JohnBartucz !
Do I gather that you are a middle school teacher?
 
@BenI. the problematic students one
 
@BenI. I don't know about "Department" per se but some schools had thriving CS before the 80s. All my HS education was before that, and I found in-school computer classes (which I didn't take anyway) at every high school and junior high school I went to after ~74. The most memorable was in Minn. MECC
BTW That's the UNIVAC mentioned in my profile :) fond memories
 
4:00 PM
That's awesome all around
He may not have been first, and his may not have been the first department, either
IIRC, they have 7 FT teachers, so it's thriving
I would love to play with a computer that takes punch cards
 
Thriving is good, and I love to see more students getting into CS, for whatever reason.
@BenI. No you wouldn't. Not for very long.
 
Haha :)
 
Begin by restructuring all your code. Make everything start in column 7, and never exceed column 72.
 
4:23 PM
Got a question with PII that needs cleaning, has edit review waiting.
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Q: The Problem Statement/Pseudocode Barrier

Tom BertinI teach 13-14 year old boys an "Introduction to Computer Science" course in Oakville, ON., Canada. For most of them, it is their first structured coding experience. Before we even touch an IDE, I have them walk through problems like this: "Devise an algorithm that calculates a user’s paycheque...

Not my edit, and I no longer have the rep to review edits :(
 
I voted up the edit, though it still needs a bit of work after that edit goes through
 
Yea, it needed work in the original, not sure what the edited will be, but the PII was my concern
 
PII?
 
@Ben, you should be able to "accept and edit" which makes the edit go through right away under your rep to edit, rather than your rep to accept. Too late now of course.
Personal Identifying Information
 
Yeah, probably should've. All of the things the editor did were good, and the main problem for me was the way the question itself was asked at the end
I have to go - I have a guest for lunch
l8r
 
4:29 PM
Bon Apetite
 
Edit approved
Just to remove the PII...the question is still not clear to me
 
I'm back. I'll have much more time to spend here starting tomorrow (which is in 12 hours, as it's my tomorrow ;)). It'd be a nice change :P
 
Is this too broad? My gut says yes, but I'm not sure...
How do you teach students of this age and ability to think algorithmically?
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Q: The Problem Statement/Pseudocode Barrier

Tom BertinI teach 13-14 year old boys an "Introduction to Computer Science" course. For most of them, it is their first structured coding experience. Before we even touch an IDE, I have them walk through problems like this: Devise an algorithm that calculates a user’s paycheque. The program wil...

 
4:44 PM
Not sure how to fix it, but I'd love to. Seems like a darn good, dedicated teacher. His issue is trying to reach that final 5% that don't get it.
 
Which I think is a fair question
Yes, it's broad, but it's not unclear
And could lead to precise answers
 
I'm thinking that the missing 5% are heavy kinesthetic learners.
 
Yep - which gives me an idea for how I could answer this
I'll let the question sit for a little bit then offer an answer
 
IIRC you do lots of kinesthetic stuff in your class anyway, right?
 
Yep
It's key for differentiating
Students love it - and remember it
 
4:51 PM
Is that something CS educators tend to forget about?
 
Potentially - it's an asset from years of teaching English
You can't just lecture
Also, it's how CS50 - after which I model my class since I teach CS50 AP - teaches as well
Lots of hands-on demos and student volunteers
Builds engagement
 
I have to admit there isn't much "movement" in coding, and my waistline shows it, but learning should involve all three VAK modalities. And CS, being so thought oriented doesn't have natural movement to it. Have to create it, as you've done.
 
Definitely. You have to be creative and innovative. It has to be more than lectures, code demos, and labs.
 
Ugh, just noticed that I've lost the ability to do "First post" reviews. :(
Most subjects the labs involve movement, keyboarding don't count for that though.
Thought: the cs-unplugged uses lots of activities. That could be a good resource for that question
 
Definitely
However I've looked through some of their exercises and none has jumped out at me as something I'd want to do immediately
 
5:22 PM
Anyone mind if I change the title from "The Problem Statement/Pseudocode Barrier" to "Going from problem statement to pseudocode"
@BenI. Your question on meta was just in the meta CV queue. I'd agree with the flagger than it is too broad.
 
5:38 PM
I CV'd my own question :)
 
..? That should be binding, right?
 
I think that's only the case for duplicate
 
I know we already had this conversation. Let me check.
 
I suppose I could just edit the question, but it would make the answers already there not make sense. Better to just start multiple new questions, as per @Gilles suggestion.
 
You're right, it's only for duplicates.
 
5:44 PM
Voting to close my own question was an oddly nice feeling.
 
@BenI. Nobody can say you're biased :)
 
@TuringTux Nice name :)
 
@BenI Thank you :)
I encountered CSE.SE today and thought I'll explore all the stuff around it :)
 
I was about to say that, but I didn't want to ping you :)
 
Then also thanks to you, @thesecretmaster :)
 
5:56 PM
Are you also a teacher?
 
No, I am not; however, I sometimes explain computer sciene related things to colleagues or friends, so I'm quite interested in the content of CSE.SE
 
@TuringTux thanks for the edit I was too lazy to make :)
 
@GypsySpellweaver No problem :)
I wasn't sure wether it would get accepted (my fear was it would be too minor) - nice too see it live :)
 
We just hit 800 users!!
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Computer Science Educatorscseducators.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for those involved in the field of teaching Computer Science

Currently in public beta.

 
\o/ Congratulations :)
 
6:00 PM
@TuringTux You remind me of someone I know.
Oh yes:
 
Penguins \o/
Yes, there are a few variants of this penguin around the net.
-- I think I'm leaving for now - I still have some stuff to do ;)
Bye then o/
 
ttfn, sir or madam!
 
Bye
"I really really love penguins and I can just huge all of the penguins because I really really love penguins."
@GypsySpellweaver Can probably say the same thing for red pandas.
 
We are at 100% answered!
 
6:14 PM
\o/
We currently we have no questions unanswered!!!!!
This may not last forever though. :(
 
How many SEs average 10 questions per day? That seems like a lot to me for some of the more niche sites.
 
6:42 PM
@BenI. That's why the niche sites are usually still in beta :P
Also, we have 2 3 questions in the HNQs
 
6:59 PM
I gotta say.... I love this site! Every question makes me weepy thinking about CS educators that were struggling in silence that now have a great resource.
2
 
Thanks, @TomOnTime! Are you also a teacher?
@Aurora0001 we do?????
That explains why I hit my 200 again today :P
 
@BenI. Yes. 1, 2, 3.
 
@TomOnTime So how is it like working at SE?
Oh you don't work at SE.
:(
Maybe if RC drops by I will ask him the same question.
 
@TomOnTime We do as well. We have a home!
 
7:09 PM
@Aurora0001 Is there an easy way to tell this, or do you just have to scan through the list of HNQs?
 
@BenI. I am not a teacher, but I have written textbooks. :-)
 
@TomOnTime Well, I'm sure your input will be valued here. :)
 
@HenryWHHackv2.0 Yes, I work at SE. I love it here. I just had my 4 year anniversary here.
 
@BenI. SOX (a userscript) puts a gigantic "HOT" on questions that are hot. I'll dig out the link if you like
 
7:10 PM
Sure!
 
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Q: Stack Overflow Extras (SOX)

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ Stack Overflow Extras (SOX) is a project that stemmed from the Stack Overflow Optional Features (SOOF) project. The SOX userscript adds a bunch of optional features to all sites in the Stack Exchange network. These can be toggled on or off from an easy to use control panel (see screenshot be...

 
I'm kind of opinionated about CS education because I had some very good and very bad teachers. I also think that CS education should be more top-down and most of it seems to be bottom-up. I have an article in ACM about that coming soon.
 
When you say top-down are you talking about high-level languages first? From universities down?
 
@Peter I mean from the most abstract to the least abstract. For example someone I know (1st year CS student) is learning AVL trees but doesn't know why anyone would care.
 
Gotcha - so moving down levels of abstraction as one progresses
 
7:16 PM
@Peter Yup.
 
I can't see the hotness icons :(
 
@BenI. if you go here, do you not see a giant "HOT" in the right corner?
 
Oh, yes. My window was dragged too narrow
 
It doesn't show it on the actual question list, unfortunately
 
Another popular question today (maybe the $64,000 question): "How can I help my students to think algorithmically?" https://cseducators.stackexchange.com/questions/690/how-can-i-help-my-students-to-think-algorithmically
 
 
2 hours later…
9:11 PM
we have about 3 hot questions.
 
Yep - we are doing well
Just need to keep it and cultivate a sustainable group of users
 

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