Codenames

msh210

21:00

Oil definitely has mass, though.

@James pan??

Avi

cook with oil

James

Like a frying pan

Avi

ooh fry with oil

msh210

Pretty sure pan is blue, for shepherds.

dcfyj

I'm pretty sure Pan is no Shepherd

msh210

21:01

No, but panpipes.

dcfyj

True

!board

Shiro

dcfyj

Tense ending lol

Avi

ok so it's either pan or rose

msh210

I'm unfamiliar with rose oil, but if y'all are then go for it.

El'endia Starman

21:02

dun dun DUNNN

Avi

how likely is uh

Mithical

to know about rose oil

dcfyj

Which is funny because I was thinking Shepherd's Rose is a thing lol

Avi

shepherd's rose isn't a thing btw

I feel safe telling you that now

El'endia Starman

@dcfyj You definitely need sleep lol.

dcfyj

@El'endiaStarman Lol, probably, but that won't be for a while

I'd like to see the results before I have to leave

Avi

21:03

flails indecisively

did you know a Flail may flail about

El'endia Starman

Flip a coin?

dcfyj

flipcoin?

@El'endiaStarman great minds think alike?

Avi

@James @msh210 ?

msh210

flipper flail?

James

OK, R: Rose, B: Pan

Avi

21:04

any opinions

James

!flipcoin

Shiro

Red

Avi

rose it is

playing rose

ROSE

Shiro

ROSE is Yellow (neutral)
It is now Blue's turn

El'endia Starman

And here, we, go!

Avi

21:04

tragic

El'endia Starman

:O

Shiro

dcfyj

@msh210 Wasn't trying to flip anything, was asking if you were going to

hah!

msh210

@dcfyj I know

El'endia Starman

Alright Brandon, you got this! Just gotta clue one word!

dcfyj

21:05

FYI Mass (church) definitely has oil

El'endia Starman

Yep, oil is often used for annointing.

msh210

@dcfyj thank you! I feel vindicated.

Avi

FYI shepherds definitely have flutes

dooog

thought they were going to do mass for hellfire, don't they still have the hellfire clue?

msh210

@El'endiaStarman dabbing

Avi

21:05

OH

dcfyj

@Avi A lot of them, I know

Avi

mass -> hellfire

duh

James

OH crap

MASS for hellfire

dooog

hehehe

dcfyj

hahaha

James

21:05

Shoot

dcfyj

They forgot about it

@Brandon_J our last clue?

msh210

@Brandon_J already said "gg" and may be gone.

dcfyj

I hope not lol

James

Sorry msh and mith

Avi

^

North

21:07

sorry

Avi

do we win if the opposing SM left

North

I'm back

dcfyj

@James to be fair, Rose Oil is a thing

msh210

... In which case of course we win by forfeit. Right? Right? No? Darn.

James

@North I'll clue for blue!

Mithical

21:07

...I can give the last blue clue if you want

dcfyj

@Brandon_J where did you go? lol

James

Blue: Heavy (1)

:P

dcfyj

@James lol

North

mass lol?

El'endia Starman

[squints] hey wait a minute...

Avi

21:08

Blue: Green (1)

dcfyj

mass is red, pay him no mind @North

Brandon_J

sorry was afk

I am back

msh210

@James lol

El'endia Starman

\o/

North

\O/

Praise the suunnN

Brandon_J

21:08

Blue skillet (1)

El'endia Starman

PAN

dcfyj

@North Good game

PAN

North

eyy

came at the last second

msh210

!who

Shiro

We are currently waiting for a clue from the Blue spymaster.

North

21:09

uhh shiro?

msh210

No colon.

Avi

Pan is Red.

El'endia Starman

Forgot the colon.

James

colon

dcfyj

@Brandon_J you forgot the colon

North

21:09

colon

Brandon_J

Blue: skillet (1)

North

colon-y

dcfyj

PAN

Shiro

PAN is Blue

El'endia Starman

Very important part of the digestive system.

Avi

21:09

Pan is red.

El'endia Starman

\o/

Avi

nooo

Mithical

@dcfyj Terrible surgeon, I'm afraid.

El'endia Starman

gg Red :)

North

frame zero lol

dooog

21:09

!finalboard

dcfyj

We shouldn't have won that lol

James

gg grumble grumble

Brandon_J

what a crazy game

Shiro

Avi

gg :P

North

21:09

i wanna see the notes lol

what did I miss

msh210

gg

dcfyj

death by train, that's fitting

Avi

no wonder nobody clued CABOOSE lol

dcfyj

anyhow, I'm out

good game

North

bye

Avi

21:10

gg

Mithical

541020111

CROSS, THEATER, DRAGON, BOOT, MASS, OLIVE, ROUND, AMERICA.

Assassin: TRAIN (directly in the center, by the way).

CROSS + MASS = "church"

Maybe "hellfire" can get CROSS, MASS, and DRAGON?

...blue is missing POLE as a "fence" word.

(gives "hellfire" clue)

"I barely see 1 let alone 3" - well that's encouraging

Wow, they are totally going off on the wrong direction here. Welp.

"Moreover I think our cluer knows I know they're Jewish and that I'd know the cross can lead to hell. So maybe that's right actually" - Really didn't put that much thought into it to be honest... but sure.

Brandon_J

I was so distracted the whole game figuring out how I was gonna play CONDUCTOR without cluing FLUTE or TRAIN

Avi

/o

msh210

@Avi or pufferbelly

Brandon_J

most of my clues were honestly pretty lousy

Avi

21:11

Maybe Oil (1) would've reminded us to use backlog

Brandon_J

re: metagming

North

brandon i would ask you to square and play me rn but i gtg

James

> "Olive and Mass. I gave them the cue." - which I'm fairly sure is illegal BTW, we should codify if that's allowed or not after this

North

./

Brandon_J

@/

Mithical

21:12

o\

James

While we're on the topic, can we talk about distracting/trolling the other team while it's not your turn? That's gotten a lot worse recently

El'endia Starman

o\

msh210

o\

North

@James yea

dooog

now that I google the god pan, they are actually the god of shepherds haha, was that the intended meaning?

El'endia Starman

21:12

@James I'm onboard with this.

North

@dooog zsdxibdfcxibudfxscrib

Brandon_J

@dooog yep

dooog

o\

Brandon_J

was supposed to be GREEN + PAN

North

I TOLD YOU SO DC

dooog

21:13

i was onboard with the shepherds pie link

North

@dcfyj Harumph

dooog

my knowledge is expanded

North

@James Can we just ban the other team from talking after the other spymaster has clued?

Like if they haven't clued yet that's cool

Brandon_J

@North that doesn't seem quite fair

North

@Brandon_J Why?

Brandon_J

21:14

now that you ask, I don't know

James

@North I wish that wasn't necessary, but it might be idk

North

@James Not an actual ban

But like

Curtesy

Like "Refrain from talking after the opposing spymaster has given the clue"

James

I like that

Especially if someone is asking you to stop

North

Yes

Avi

Shepherd w/ Flute

dooog

21:15

well sometimes you want to talk about your own team's clue

North

@dooog Wait

Rubiksmoose

In general, it's a good rule: if someone asks you to stop something, stop it.

James

@dooog You can do that before the clue is given, or after the team finishes their turn

North

@dooog You can always talk when it's your turn

@James Yea

dooog

true

North

21:17

i mean I guess we could always pull the !leave to someone

But like

Rubiksmoose

@James As long as it isn't disruptive I've seen people taking about their clue on the other teams turn and it didn't seem bothersome.

James

I don't want to say "no talking at all" because sometimes it's really not that big of a deal. Or people are answering questions about the gaming, or genuinely being helpful and considerate. But it's just really rampant to say things trying to throw the other team off and that's not cool

North

Yea

How about "Talk only when it is appropriate to"

Rubiksmoose

I'd say that "unless everyone agrees to it, avoid trolling or commenting on the other team's clues during their turn, especially for the purpose of messing them up."

North

That leaves more wiggle room

Brandon_J

21:18

idea for meta-gaming: potential clues may be given as reasons why a certain pick is wrong. I.E. someone says "vascular (2) =/= TREE + GRASS because green (2) or plant (2) could have been clued". It's not OK to throw out guess for the future, I.E.: "well, if we have TREE and GRASS, plant is a great clue."

Avi

No talking concerning any word on the board once the opponent SM has given their clue, until such time as the opposing team's turn is over?

North

@Avi You could still troll other ways

Avi

like?

North

Being obnoxious such as interrupting them while they are speaking

Rubiksmoose

@Brandon_J Not sure I understand you here.

North

21:19

Or

Brandon_J

@Rubiksmoose we had a situation

North

@Brandon_J I think guessers should avoid giving out clues

But using something they discussed is valid

Brandon_J

@North sometimes they have to mention clues to eliminate possibilites

Avi

@North running off with the rest of North's sentence

North

@Brandon_J True

Avi

21:20

apparently my brain function is declining into negative IQ

can't even type the reset of my words properly

North

@Brandon_J But to say you can't use any of the discussed subjects doesn't seem right either

like if someone is leaning towards spider

you can clue "web (0)"

or "web (unlimited)"

msh210

Often the troll is so obviously wrong, or is accompanied by a smiley, as to not actually be intending to throw them off and is meant only as humor. Is that okay?

Rubiksmoose

Here's something to think about: it is usually better to just talk about things as issues come up. Rules are only really necessary when something is an issue that comes up often.

Brandon_J

yeah

TBH, trolling never bothers me

Rubiksmoose

Otherwise you end up with a huge list of rules that nobody even remembers because it comes up so rarely.

James

21:23

@msh210 I guess I really don't mind light trolling that much. I just feel like it happens too frequently right now

msh210

@Rubiksmoose as someone or other once said "you can read the history of an organization in its bylaws"

@James fair enough

Brandon_J

lol

Rubiksmoose

@James I've definitely seen it be disruptive here. But IRL we troll quite often when I'm playing with experienced groups.

Brandon_J

how are statuses right now? initiates handwave

@/

msh210

o\

Avi

21:24

o\

Mithical

z\

Brandon_J

night, Mith

El'endia Starman

o\

msh210

@Mithical gN

And to resolve the other question: I gather that guessers' giving the cluer ideas for how to clue specific combinations of words is henceforth verboten, yes?

(or perhaps even was all along)

El'endia Starman

I think specific "word groups + clue" combos shouldn't be allowed.

But if your suggestions give your SM ideas, that's okay.

msh210

21:34

@Rubiksmoose I think it's worse here because when playing OTB it's easier to distinguish who's saying what whereas here it's easier to confuse your teammates' utterances for your opponents'.

@El'endiaStarman okay

El'endia Starman

And by "suggestions" I mean stuff that naturally happens while discussing clues.

Rubiksmoose

@msh210 extremely hard to enforce though seeing how people sometimes naturally and accidentally suggest clues in the process of guessing things.

@msh210 definitely. I've been confused and annoyed by it here a few times.

msh210

@Rubiksmoose well, @El'endiaStarman's formulation makes good sense, then

Rubiksmoose

@msh210 Yeah I can roll with that.

msh210

gameN. gg

HTM

22:04

Wow, this is probably the most number of people I've seen in this room

Rubiksmoose

There are dozens of us!

msh210

22:37

Fwiw (not much because here we play by the rules decided on here, irrespective of the original rules),

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