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02:00
@/
Somewhere between o/ and 0/
@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait, years? wow it's been a while, I wonder if my bot is still somewhere in the depths of my horrible filesystem organization
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o/
!newgame ElizB, El’endia Starman, Quintec, HTM
RED: El’endia Starman, Quintec
BLUE: ElizB, HTM
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/ol3e96e2o4osjd5ix3qeqy7wy7eftvt
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/6zdoakhsr9zfyfg81kyzvd95kx3luth

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
RED goes first!
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02:08
Hope we can make this a quickie, got plenty on my plate tonight
Are exams over for you?
Oh whoops, didn't realize the game had started lol. Gimme a few minutes...
Note: be sure to ping the players when game starts especially in the evening hours
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@Quintec Still got one more tomorrow morning
We should have Shiro do that on newgame, but I doubt ffao will be around to accept my pull request
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02:13
@ElizB It’s ok, there’s no rush in the evening anyway
@Quintec yeah, good idea
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Might as well just start from scratch
Shiro's code is in a GitHub repo? Can just fork it.
Red: LETTER OPENER (2)
@Quintec
MAIL
02:20
ah nvm lol my bad
hi shiro wakey wakey
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!who
We are currently waiting for a clue from the Red spymaster.
We are currently waiting for a clue from the Red spymaster.
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02:21
Did I misspell your name or something?
[checks spelling] ... Uh, that looks right?
@El'endiaStarman Well, considering I have a pull request from 2017
Red: LETTER OPENER (2)
!who
We are currently waiting for a clue from the Red spymaster.
[grumble]
!teams
02:22
RED team: El’endia Starman, Quintec
BLUE team: ElizB, HTM
hm...
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Can the SM leave mid-game?
Oh @HTM, you DID misspell my name. You put a backtick ` instead of an apostrophe '.
Ah, not a backtick, the annoying auto-correct quotes that my phone does
The fancy ones that face left or right
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@El'endiaStarman Yep, I saw it too, the joys of using a mobile keyboard I guess
02:24
Oh you're right.
I copy-pasted both into Sublime and forgot which was which.
Okay. I'mma try something.
Gimme a minute...
Sublime is sublime
@El'endiaStarman changes his name to make Codenames game work
That's literally what I just tried to do.
Alas...
> Oops! There was a problem updating your profile:
> * Display Name can only contain letters, digits, spaces, apostrophes or hyphens and must start with a letter or digit
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!newgame El'endia Starman, ElizB, Quintec, HTM
RED: El'endia Starman, Quintec
BLUE: ElizB, HTM
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/1l2bkw7goqkzb6b5n0ivuikh78v5q1x
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/ogfpjx7rmifxkqqq8lc6idzj960m3tp

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
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Sorry for wasting fifteen minutes of your time
02:26
RED goes first!
sigh oh well...
Rip, new game
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Probably shoulda done a seed recall... I'm not thinking straight tonight for some reason
Seed recall?
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!recall
02:28
That wouldn't have helped though?
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So we can replay the same board
I don't think that helps, if we know the seed that doesn't change things
That's not what recall does
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Well there is the !seed command, right?
But if we can see the seed that defeats the point
Let's just move on to the new game. I already deleted my notes for the previous one.
02:30
In a twist of fate, we ended up on the same teams, good job shiro
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Anyway, I'm really sorry y'all, maybe I'm just on edge cause of finals
it's not a problem no worries
I understand stress
@Quintec Yeah, I really appreciated that. And I was the Red SM again and am going first again.
Red: SPELL (2)
!board
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02:34
!who
Red currently has 3 guesses remaining.
We did it
Spells... you CAST them, I suppose
relation to RINGS? GHOSTS? CROWNS? GENIUS? ok these get more and more far fetched
CAST
CAST is Red
spells change things
i suppose i'll pick one
wands are sticks
too many options
GHOST
GHOST is Blue
Maybe you'll do better next time.
It is now Blue's turn
02:37
ok maybe that was not the best idea
Blue: DENTAL (2)
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CROWN
CROWN is Blue
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You go to the dentist a lot as a KID
so the story goes, Puzzling mods do not like the sound pings make at all and were very opposed to pinging indiscriminately
if they are not playing anymore, I could change it (though I can't just approve the PR because sending 3 messages at once triggers rate-limiting)
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02:41
Are dental RINGs a thing?
Omg @ffao is alive hello big fan
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Maybe STICK because of toothbrushes, but that's a degree removed
KID + CROWN = "Prince"
RING + CROWN = "Jewelry"
STICK + CROWN = "Scepter"
Maybe a non-specific PART, as in part of the digestive system
I think I'm gonna pass instead of going for it, I don't like any of the ones I've seen so far, and I've got a donation anyway
[pass]
@ffao Yeah, these days it's mostly Christianity and PPCG mods. :P What's the minimum time needed between messages to not rate-limit? Just slip a sleep between sending team names and the pings should work, or does another user need to speak in between?
I don't actually know the details of the rate-limiting
02:45
"mostly" That's only two of us. :P
but yeah, that's the reason the sleep(2) is there
Red: MORDOR (0)
uh oh.
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Must've said something bad
Well I guess I know what that means, though I don't feel very confident in my knowledge of that series to guess related words
But might as well, already so behind
...unless it's cluing me away from something else since I only know one thing about mordor
DRAGON
02:48
DRAGON is Red
DEATH
DEATH is Yellow (neutral)
It is now Blue's turn
eh, at least I didn't get another blue
Blue: **CROWN**(3)
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!who
02:51
We are currently waiting for a clue from the Blue spymaster.
Blue: CROWN (3)
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Interesting...
regex is fun
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A crown is a PART of the body
That's more of a Markdown problem though.
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02:52
At least colloquially, don't know exactly what it is
You can crown a GENIUS
There's also STICK and RING which I associated with royalty
I'm also looking at CANADA because it used to be a colony of France, but in the modern era it isn't under a monarchy
OK, I'm gonna try RING > PART > STICK > GENIUS, hope this order is acceptable (which it probably isn't)
RING
RING is Black (assassin!).
Game over. Red wins!
Ha, so my gambit that HTM didn't know LoTR paid off!
Pretty crappy board for both of us.
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...was COTTON the "Dental" word then?
02:55
yup.
The only reason I was so vague in my reaction to the clue
cotton, part, post
I have a need to redeem myself
548416554

I am the Red SM up against ElizB for Blue.

Red words: KNIFE, DRAGON, FOOT, CHANGE, CAST, VAN, NIGHT, LEMON, TIE
Blue words: PART, CROWN, POST, COTTON, ROBIN, POUND, BOW, GHOST
Yellow words: DEATH, TUBE, GENIUS, STICK, CANADA, SATELLITE, KID
Assassin: RING

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DRAGON and LEMON seem to be the odd ones out this time. Perhaps LANCE (2) to get KNIFE and DRAGON? Gonna need a lot of thought to clue LEMON with any of my other words. Humph.

DRAGON + CAST = SPELL (2) is another possibility. Let's do that.
My brain is a bit eh, so I'm on the fence about SMing again. I would be okay with guessing.
I'm Blue, Red's first!

548416554

Black: RING

Blue: PART CROWN POST COTTON ROBIN POUND BOW GHOST

I have a tough board, maybe a tougher one than the one before... hmmm.

DENTIST/DENTAL = CROWN, COTTON

SING = BOW, ROBIN-- RING( BELLS?)

cluing DENTAL for Crown, Cotton

Crown guessed, good. pass.

Cluing CROWN 3 for Post, Part, Cotton (to stuff in mouth for dental procedure)

oh, man did I screw it up? HTM is thinking about RING again.... shoot.

Ring guessed, blargh.
I could take a chance SM'ing
02:57
I don't mind SM
Me and Quintec can SM
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!newgame Quintec, ElizB, El'endia Starman, HTM
RED: Quintec, HTM
BLUE: ElizB, El'endia Starman
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/6pc9ce4sr4chxrscpeak9ybqx0flnq1
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/gw8oc24dcr65fg38fz2zhudffrk8ywi

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
I'm currently doing a horrible geometry problem
RED goes first!
Horrible in the sense that I am horrible at geometry
02:57
Alright @ElizB, remember, I can see body language... ;)
@Quintec I might be able to help.
@El'endiaStarman I knowwww
It's fine, it's not for school for anything, I'll figure it out myself sometime for the feeling of satisfaction
Now I want to know because that sounds like a puzzle.
hahaha i knew he'd jump in there
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02:59
Same, I'm a sucker for geometry problems :)
It's a USAMO problem
Ooooh. A previous year's?
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Oh, I think I've seen that one before
[draws diagram] ...... Yeah, no thanks. :P
03:05
Heh, exactly
Out of curiosity though, do PQ and RS intersect at O? No proof but it gets real close in my diagram.
This probably ends up being a bunch of triangle + circle voodoo stuff.
@Quintec still working on your clue?
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I'll take a closer look at the problem later, but I think there may be some cyclic quadrilateral and angle chasing stuff going on
Wait, if you can prove that PQ and RS are perpendicular bisectors of XY and YZ, respectively, then this becomes easy.
Working
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03:10
@El'endiaStarman I don't think that's true in general, unfortunately
That would require PYQX to be a square
A rhombus, at least. Not sure about square.
Red: The Guardian (2)
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@El'endiaStarman YP's perpendicular to AX
!board
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PRESS and EUROPE are probably the obvious ones
Maybe WEB? I think The Guardian might be an online-only paper
03:12
@HTM Ahhh right, yes.
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PRESS
PRESS is Red
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Hmm, can't decide between WEB and EUROPE
EUROPE + PRESS could've been "Le Monde"
But PRESS + WEB could've been "Buzzfeed"
...I guess I'll let Shiro decide for me
R = WEB, B = EUROPE
!flipcoin
Red
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WEB
03:15
WEB is Blue
I feel for you.
It is now Blue's turn
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Ok, so probably EUROPE then
Wat. I was expecting it to be Red too!
Blue: BELL TOWER (2)
CHURCH is Blue
03:17
RING
RING is Blue
I also saw PLAY but that was before seeing RING.
(still here)
Red: Fishing (2)
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03:27
Oh boy, I saw three for this one as well
HOOK, WORM, FLY
Probably not FLY since HOOK + WORM is incredibly strong imo
@HTM I constructed it on GeoGebra and it looks really cool. The intersection of PQ and RS is actually on the semicircle base and it has the same x coordinate as Y. XPYQ and YRZS are both rectangles.
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@El'endiaStarman Aww, did you really have to spoil it now? I was having fun trying to work this out :(
(But yeah, I suspected something like that would be true)
HOOK
HOOK is Yellow (neutral)
It is now Blue's turn
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...uh
I'd have made that guess too.
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03:29
Q, are you doing alright?
@HTM Oops, sorry...
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It's ok, now we need to figure out why that's true :)
Ah-ha, I see why the rectangles are there.
ElizB is looking at me like "You're supposed to be playing this game and not getting distracted!!!" :P
@El'endiaStarman Uh-oh.
@Quintec You got pretty close though!
03:34
Blue: FUR (3)
RABBIT, TAIL, and.....COAT, I think. BALL as a possibility if one of those doesn't work.
RABBIT
RABBIT is Blue
TAIL is Yellow (neutral)
It is now Red's turn
03:35
CLOAK next?
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There are errors
Looks like a difficult board for the SMs
Red: Periboia (unlimited)
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???????
03:38
...I have no clue either.
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I'm screwed, aren't I?
OK, well might as well try and figure out what it means
I can !join your team and then we'll both be screwed? :P
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It vaguely sounds like a geography term, so maybe MOUNT and BELT
"Peri" I think means "below," so maybe something related to shadows or something?
Sounds a lot like "penumbra," don't know if there's a connection there
I guess I'll start with backlog
WORM
WORM is Red
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FLY
03:40
FLY is Red
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EUROPE
EUROPE is Red
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WORM + FLY = "Insect"
I'm really tempted to try and help you out here because I'm just as puzzled as you. :P
WORMs aren't insects though.
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"Invertebrate" then
03:41
Yeah, that'd work.
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It is perhaps related to morbidity? DEATH and CRASH might work then
I was also eyeing BOTTLE suspiciously cause I thought it might have something to do with them
Is it... a mountain of death???
Sure sounds like it could be, and I don't have any better ideas at the moment
And I am down a clue, so I guess risking it is worth it
Start with DEATH first because of underground connotations
DEATH
DEATH is Black (assassin!).
Game over. Blue wins!
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03:45
Yes, Shiro, assassination means death
That's the second game I've played where DEATH was the assassin!
That was even more of a train wreck than I expected
Terminator was a GIANT ROBOT, wasn't it? Risks DEATH, too risky.
WORM, FLY fishing? HOOK is yellow, sigh.
A hydraulic press is a sort of robot? Way too sketchy.

The guardian is british, right? Go for EUROPE + PRESS That's all I can see.
PRESS and EUROPE seen, good
"The Guardian might be an online-only paper" I did not know that. don't live in Europe :(
"EUROPE + PRESS could've been "Le Monde" I don't know what that is, probably an actual paper then.
Web guessed. :(

Blue gives clean clue of BELL TOWER (2).
New game, I'm Blue SM again, and Red is first!

Black = Death

Blue: WEB BOTTLE RABBIT BALL KETCHUP CLOAK CHURCH RING

Hmm, Ketchup and Bottle are related. maybe HIENZ?

BELL TOWER = CHURCH RING

CHURCH down, good. RING down, woo!

FUR = Rabbit, ball, cloak. Furball is an affectionate/silly name for small furry pets, like rabbits, small dogs, etc. Don't know if ES knows or has thought of that. it should be pretty common so hoping for it.

Playing FUR = BALL, CLOAK, RABBIT -- might hit glove, belt, tail
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In Greek mythology, the name Periboea (; Ancient Greek: Περίβοια "surrounded by cattle" derived from peri "around" and boes "cattle") refers to multiple figures: Periboea, one of the Oceanids; mother of Aura by Lelantos. Periboea, daughter of the Giant Eurymedon and the mother of Nausithous with Poseidon. Periboea, was the daughter of either King Cychreus of Salamis or of Alcathous, her mother in the latter case being either Pyrgo or Evaechme, daughter of Megareus. She was ravished by Telamon who then fled away; when her father learned of that, he ordered for her to be cast in the sea, but the...
Ah, it sounded vaguely Greek, I guess that's why I was drawn towards MOUNT and DEATH cause they both heavily figure in Greek mythology
03:47
ggs, gtg now, too late
I'm done for tonight, got a busy day tomorrow. GameN.
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And I've guessed the assassin twice in a row now
I knew "peri" ~= "around" or "side" because of perimeter and periphery, that sort of thing. But I never knew of this goddess, actually. Despite being fairly familiar with Greek mythology...
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Hope this streak doesn't continue...
Yeah, I'm done for tonight too. GameN! \o
03:49
I didn't recognize the name off the top of my head either
Mith, why are you not sleeping?!? :P
i might be up for a game if you are all staying around for a bit. just have to do some work first
dont want to keep you up though
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@El'endiaStarman Cause it's morning for them?
Oh and @Quintec I found a solution to that problem
....oh, I guess it could be like 7am or so...
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It was actually a lot easier than it looks
@El'endiaStarman 'cause I just got up
@El'endiaStarman ten to six
Got a bus in an hour.
@Mithical Ah, 7 hours ahead of me.
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Wait actually, I made an assumption in my solution that isn't immediately obvious
OK, I found a legit solution now
Ack, another bad assumption, gotta think harder...
 
10 hours later…
14:18
Interesting 2 games. Both guessed the assassin.
 
3 hours later…
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17:35
@Hosch250 :(
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18:29
0/ standing by
Red leader, standing by
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Gold leader, standing by
(I hear the new Star Wars movie is bad)
I'm going to see it tonight, so I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that
o/
@HTM My company is going tomorrow night. I passed.
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I’m going tonight with some friends, hope it doesn’t turn out to be a trainwreck like everyone’s saying it is
18:38
Good luck. Just don't get involved in the stampede.
Also, you can have a good time with your friends even if the movie is a trainwreck.
Go out to the bar and have a drink or two (responsibly!) and have fun.
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Yep, finals are finally over! (No pun intended)
Not old enough to drink yet, but I’ll make sure to have a good time :)
Oh, right, that's 21.
I always think it's 18 for some reason.
@Hosch250 Cause it makes more sense that way
Well, it got bumped to 21 because of Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
And, seeing the driving skills of most teens, it's probably a good thing, LOL.
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Well, it used to be, until they decided that they would withhold highway funding if any state decided to lower it
18:42
What they should do is make it legal to drink in the presence of a sober adult.
@HTM Is that really the reason? That's BS
@Hosch250 I think in a lot of states it is, it's just not legal to purchase
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@Hosch250 The thing is, you can join the army and vote at 18, but for some reason the federal government thinks we’re not mature enough to handle a Bud
The adult can act as the designated driver and it would help keep people safe who are going to break the law anyway.
@HTM Yeah, but, TBH, most teens I've known aren't.
I personally don't drink.
My family has a huge problem with drinking, and yeah, if my sister had her drivers license, she'd be drinking and driving regularly.
So, I just don't drink because I don't want to get sucked into that.
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@DJMcMayhem Yeah, take a look:
The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed by the United States Congress on July 17, 1984. The act was a controversial bill that punished every state that allowed persons below 21 years to purchase and publicly possess alcoholic beverages by reducing its annual federal highway apportionment by 10 percent. The law was later amended, lowering the penalty to 8 percent from fiscal year 2012 and beyond.Despite its name, this act did not outlaw the consumption of alcoholic beverages by those under 21 years of age, just its purchase. However, Alabama, Indiana, Kansa...
@Hosch250 Yeah, that's a really good reason. I do drink, but I think it's ridiculous that a lot of people treat it like a direct offense to them if somebody else doesn't want to
18:46
Yep. Also people who are offended that anyone else would.
You don't drink?!?! What's wrong with you? Oh you just haven't found the right drink yet.
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No matter what you believe in, somebody’s gonna take offense to it
It’s like one of those internet Rules, but for real life
My stance is I'm not going to do it, and I'm not going to hang around people while they are doing it, because there's nothing for me to do besides watch them and after a certain point they just start being stupid.
But, I'm not going to say anything if you are at home and take a beer or two with dinner.
I might say something if we go to a restaurant and you're on your #th beer and don't have a designated driver, but nothing confrontational.
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@Hosch250 Respect for sticking to your morals _/\_
Just something like "Might need a taxi to get home after this one." or something.
18:49
I will never judge someone for choosing to drink or not, but I will absolutely judge someone for drunk driving. That's disgusting
^
Is 3 enough for spyfall?
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Technically yes, but it’s pretty boring
@DJMcMayhem Funny enough, some of my family thinks cops should be banned from high-speed chases because they often end in crashes.
And the rest of my family is like "just let the person get away? And if they run because they're drunk (the context of this discussion), they'll likely get in a crash anyway..."
@Hosch250 I'm only lurking, can't play rn
@DJMcMayhem I thought "red leader standing by" was an offer to SM :)
In particular, SM for red.
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18:54
I’m pretty much available for whatever until I go to the movie theater, which is about 8 hours from now
(And the gold-leader comment is an offer to SM for neutral.)
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Black Leader, standing by
Codenames variant: Teams are racing to find the assassin, and the clues the SMs give help narrow down the search pool
I've been working on a bot for "werewords", does that sound like something anyone here would be interested in?
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@DJMcMayhem A combination of Codenames and Mafia? Count me in!
Sweet
I'll let you know when I have the bot ready
 
3 hours later…
22:20
@DJMcMayhem YES!!!
 
1 hour later…
23:49
@Rubiksmoose Since you've actually played it before, maybe you could help me
What all should the bot actually do?
@DJMcMayhem I'd be happy to as much as I can!
Right now I've got it where you can start a game, and the bot will figure out roles and offer word choices. Does it necessarily need to know which word was picked?
So, just off the top of my head: the bot needs to choose a word or offer a choice of words to the Mayor (who is public) while keeping the word (or choice of words) secret.
@DJMcMayhem It does.
Because it has to give that word secretly to the Werewolves.
And to the Seer.
Ooooooh
I'm going to assume for now that we are only using the most basic combination of roles: villager, werewolf, seer (and the mayor who can be any of these).
23:53
I forgot about that part
Cool, that's helpful
@Rubiksmoose Yes, I was planning on that
The bot is also presumably going to have to find a way to allow the werewolves (if more than 1) to know who each other are.
That can probably be done at the same time as giving them the word.
The game also has three end conditions: running out of time, running out of answer tokens, or guessing the correct word. If you wanted to mimic the game fully the bot would also have to count guesses and/or time.
That's the part I'm not sure of
Well the first round of the game anyways.
I wouldn't mind playtesting to see which of those parts we want to keep
Personally, I think time is probably the more important one to keep. But I suspect that guess-counting would be easier to implement.
23:57
I don't think time would be that hard
Playtesting would certinaly be a better way to determine that though.
@Rubiksmoose Are you on discord? That's where I'm developing the bot right now
Some other things to consider: one part of the meta-game is looking at the question tokens in front of people to see how many questions they've asked and how many are Y/N/maybes when determining Seer/Werewolves. May not be essential to the game though.
@DJMcMayhem I am!
@Rubiksmoose Oh, interesting.
This invite should be good for a day: discord.gg/TVnfXr

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