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Avi
Avi
22:00
maybe ring/telescope as well
thinking ring though
@Avi It's a 1 clue, remember
only one brass
Avi
Avi
ah
so our last clue could very well be press
!board
22:00
because blue was told to avoid anything related to massages
and press is second only to back in that category
We're waaaay ahead of Blue right now, but given the past clues they can possibly go for Unlimited next turn and win it all
want to try press, or think it's the assassin
Avi
Avi
but if our SM clues MASSAGE(1), it'll still be hard to tell between press/back
but press fits both massage and donald
Avi
Avi
22:01
hopefully something like "HIND" for back
OK, let's take a look at the clues we've had so far
donald, toto, and ufo which we got both of
"Donald," "Toto," "UFO," and "Brass"
ufo we got both of
it was space and alien
the problem is air and screen were given by blue team
Avi
Avi
toto was probably africa/air
22:02
why air? the tornado?
SCREEN was before we got any clues, so that's OK
AIR might have been for "Toto" because of Dorothy "Gale" and (maybe) the tornado
Avi
Avi
totototornado!
There's still one more "Toto" word left, right?
Avi
Avi
bugle = brass
slip for slippers maybe?
Avi
Avi
22:03
we can try grace
unless we didn't get both donald words
grace doesn't make sense to me
Avi
Avi
but not slip
why not slip?
wizard of oz revolves around SLIPpers
Avi
Avi
slip/tag on clothing
ALIEN may very well have been "Donald"
22:04
but UFO
space + alien = 2
But I don't see 3 of our already revealed ones that relate to "Toto"
and 2 + 2 = fish
@ThePuzzlingPlatypus Again, clue overlap, don't forget
Avi
Avi
maybe just pass
22:05
we're one away though
Avi
Avi
no need to take unnecessary risks
Then Blue might win because of the sheer number of clues they've gotten already
Avi
Avi
clue overlap will confuse them?
it's not unnecessary, and @Avi, normally i'd agree with you
about the risk thing
Avi
Avi
22:06
because they definitely missed some clues as well
If we were allowed to research, I would just google toto songs
@Avi, do you know any besides Africa?
That's why we can't research :P
Avi
Avi
uhhhh
IT's ok if not, I don't eitehr
I was just checking
I should know pop music, but blanking on this one
22:06
Should we try a research allowed game at some point?
because neither does Pi
No, that wouldn't be fair
@JohnDvorak I remember one team was allowed to Google a clue because nobody knew who it was, not even the opposing SM
to whom?
Avi
Avi
we should try it anyways (next game?)
Meh.
22:08
what do you guys want to play?
Avi
Avi
thinking "back"
SLIP was thrown around
i would'ves aid press
PRESS may still be on the ledger
Avi
Avi
since either back/press would be assassin
and the other one may be red
22:08
LAB is also still a consideration imo for "Toto"
why?
he isn't one
@ThePuzzlingPlatypus Dog breeds
Remember, not every connection has to be direct
but that indirect, already going from "Toto" to "dog", but then extending to otehr breeds?
Avi
Avi
but massage is literally PRESSing, whereas BACK is only related
Avi
Avi
22:09
so may as well go for back
but DONALD trump hates the PRESS
I like either LAB or SLIP, because I still suspect ALIEN to be the "Donald" word and we're only missing a "Toto" word
and neither of those words relate to toto
Avi
Avi
back to africa?
from some random singer idk
I think slip for slippers makes the most sense
Avi
Avi
22:10
i think it's too risky
considering it may be their clue
Lemme take a look at Red's history...
I know you don't watch movies, but you must have seen this movie
Avi
Avi
we don't want them to be able to tell whether CLOTHING is ring or slip
I still say jewelry isn't clothing
it's accessories
Avi
Avi
in which case it's even more risky to choose slip
22:11
clothing is pants, a shirt, underwear, stuff like that
Avi
Avi
because clothing comes with a tag/slip attached
They're missing a "Clothing" word I believe and both "Apollo" words
Avi
Avi
when you buy it
I wouldn't call those slips
red guessers' personal opinion is immaterial for the validity or intent of blue clues
22:11
can I see tihe board?
Avi
Avi
unless they clued "CLOTHING" because it goes on your back
Avi
Avi
in which case they shouldn't have clued MASSAGE(0)
!board
Avi
Avi
I'd say back is our best bet
22:12
it's not here
back has nothing to do with toto though
@JohnDvorak I don't know if I agree with that. I think it's valid metagaming to guess what the opposing SM meant.
or donald, or ufo
Avi
Avi
I guess
22:13
does toto have a song with the word grace in it?
Avi
Avi
but all of those had really tenuous connections anyways
Maybe TELESCOPE for "Apollo"? Not sure what the other word would be for it though
I mean, it should have no materium for blue's actions, shouldn't it?
apollo was the greek god of lots of things, none of which are on here
Avi
Avi
telescope is probably apollo
and/or ring?
22:13
and the mission was to the moon, not any other space words
Avi
Avi
no idea
@ThePuzzlingPlatypus thanks for letting us know :D
@JohnDvorak If we do this correctly, that won't matter :)
Avi
Avi
that doesn't help them at all
22:14
I thought we were talking about what to avoid
Avi
Avi
ye
avoid slip, avoid ring
Aaand there's the downside of guessing the other team's words. ;)
technically it was a mission to the moon and back, but...
yeah, good thing I didn't list waht thoe things were
I'm questioning LAB and GRACE right now, since either of those could relate to "Apollo"
Avi
Avi
22:15
apollo's grace?
Is there an Apollo Laboratories?
ooh, thank you @JohnDvorak, so we wshould avoid back
Avi
Avi
probably not
GRACE as in the grace of a god
Avi
Avi
fair enough
22:15
so we should avoid things that have to do with the mythological apollo
Avi
Avi
grace + telescope + slip + ring + lab
I'm still feeling press unless alien was the donald word
Augh, I'm torn between PRESS and SLIP now, what shall we do?
Avi
Avi
so remaining is ninja/press/back/diamond/cricket
so we should avoid those?
I still like slip
Avi
Avi
22:16
maybe just pass
evreyone calls them tags
Avi
Avi
fineeeee
I'm taking a bathroom break
Avi
Avi
your responsibility
@Avi We gave Blue too many ideas, we better do this correctly right now
22:16
you guys talk about it
I could be wrong a bout slip
Avi
Avi
I'm still thinking back
Darn, that "Massage" clue really took us for a spin
a spin cycle?
oh wait they guessed that
You me... ninja'd
Y'all are at 20 minutes since user58's last clue. Please decide on some action soon. :)
22:19
Ok good point
flip a coin for back and slip?
I have a feeling BACK is black
insert acdc joke here
SLIP could be ours but could also be neutral, don't think it works for any of
Blue's clues atm
it kind of works for toto
a stretch, but tenuous isn't nothing
PRESS works for one of our clues, but has the chance to hit assassin
22:21
Anything has the chance to hit assassin
Avi
Avi
:(
I'm OK with SLIP actually, probably the safest choice out of them if my analysis is anywhere near accurate
Avi
Avi
R = PRESS, B = back
Which it probably isn't
Avi
Avi
!flipcoin
22:21
@Avi I disagree
Avi
Avi
do this first
!flipcoin
Red
SLIP imo is the safest option for us
Avi
Avi
R = PRESS, B = SLIP
!flipcoin
22:22
I will laugh so hard if, after all this, you get the assassin
And I don't like using RNG to decide the game for us
Avi
Avi
yeah, but our indecisiveness is going on for too long
the opposing sm has a point though, it's been 20 minutes
TPP favors SLIP, I'm now favoring SLIP, there's a majority rn
@Avi, you should see me when I want lunch
22:22
I think I've seen longer, actually
Avi
Avi
just flip the coin:x
So if you don't have any serious objections, we're playing SLIP
Avi
Avi
fine ...
Also, more desperation = juicier SM logs >:P
22:23
(bold words said before disaster...)
Playing SLIP
SLIP
SLIP is Blue
When will you learn?
It is now Blue's turn
Avi
Avi
........
crap avi was right
22:23
It's not safe OK
Avi
Avi
i'm always right
except when I'm wrong
Blue: HOPPER (unlimited)
22:24
This game makes us all look like fools, especially the SMs
Grace Hopper, where do I know that name?
I just realized slippers are shoes which kind of are clothes
GRACE is Blue
Computer scientist
22:25
grace hopper is the one who discovered that moth in the computer
@ThePuzzlingPlatypus I dunno, maybe it was just unclued
And we have 2 left from Apollo
DJ and I liked Telescope
Oh boy, time for another 20 minute debate
Telescope is in our queue
@Avi, how did you manage to guess bugle before the clue
Avi
Avi
22:25
randomness
@PiIsNot3 Go fast, die hard, that's my motto :P
so you didn't actually expect that to be correct?
let's play it
Avi
Avi
no, I expected it to be correct
remember, I'm always right
22:26
TELESCOPE is Blue
Avi
Avi
until I'm wrong
but you had no reason to expect that
!board
Avi
Avi
I had every reason
22:26
All down to this guess :P
What was Apollo a god of?
Avi
Avi
apollo was clearly a god of crickets
@Avi And since you're always right...
Avi
Avi
D:
throws game
22:27
unlimited out of three = 1
...
@JohnDvorak Archery and the Sun wasn't he?
I'm not saying anything
Hmm...
but there's even more
22:28
Wasn't Hopper a grasshopper in Bug's Life? That's close enough to Cricket for me
Plus, crickets hop
"Amazing" would have worked for Grace as well. Significant?
Only one Hopper is ours, and it was Grace
Because of Apollo being 2?
Because Hopper is unlimited, not 2
Do we have leftover clothing?
If so, is Ninja/Ring/Lab related to some Apollo?
22:30
Not sure, but isn't the Apollo Lab something? Thought I read about it in my particle physics topic
Avi
Avi
before you pass, let me know - I have 1 statement to make
We have no reason to pass
We won't pass
Passing means we lose
Avi
Avi
before you guess, then
22:31
Can't you wait until the game is over?
Avi
Avi
sure, I guess
I don't think we'll grant you that
Avi
Avi
just, let me say it before the actual board is shown
@Avi SURE is not on the board...
@PiIsNot3 ba dum tiss
22:31
@Avi I've got no problem with that, but I think Shiro shows the final board by default at the end of the game
Avi
Avi
oof
it does not
What were all of our clues?
Avi
Avi
ok, then just let me know before !finalboard
that much is fair
22:32
@JohnDvorak Apollo, Hopper, Overfishing
Everything before that, I wasn't here
and clothing at least
Overfishing has no leftovers
Hopper has no leftovers
Apollo has a leftover
Lab > Cricket > Anything else for me
Def not cricket
Because Apollo Lab at least rings a bell, nothing else does
I am going to research the hell out of this afterwards :P
22:34
LAB is Blue
Nice :)
22:34
I totally wasn't sure about it
ok so what was our last word
I was so sure it was CRICKET, bad last clue
Probably PRESS
!finalboard
Avi
Avi
i'm calling it now - our last one was BACK
22:35
Oh wow, I just totally forgot that this game was going on, and I come back and we've won
Avi
Avi
whattt
it was press
@Avi Congrats, you are proven wrong!
22:35
Unlucky there, Avi :P
Back is black
Avi
Avi
i guess they were both red/black
just wrong order
Back in black
OK... Massage(0) was genius
204293459

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I am the Blue SM.
user58 is the Red SM.

Blue words: TOKYO, BANK, LAB, PIN, CLOAK, WHALE, SLIP, GRACE, TELESCOPE
Red words: SPACE, PRESS, AIR, AFRICA, ALIEN, SCREEN, BUGLE, DUCK
Assassin: BACK

PIN + CLOAK -> clothing?
LAB + TOKYO -> dog? (Isle of Dogs reference)
SLIP is both an action and a type of clothing :thinking:

BANK, WHALE, GRACE, and TELESCOPE don't have obvious connections to the others

Might "clothing" lead to PRESS as well? Hopefully far enough removed from BACK. :/
We were literally down to a red, a blue, and the black
And we guessed the second worst option
204293459

SPACE, PRESS, AIR, AFRICA, ALIEN, SCREEN, BUGLE, DUCK.

"NASA" - SPACE, AIR, ALIEN. Is that a valid clue? It's an acronym for National Air and Space Administation... wait, no, it isn't. Isn't it Aeronautics? I think that's right. In any case, runs afoul of blue TELESCOPE and yellow JUPITER.

"television" - SCREEN, PRESS.

[TPP: back]
[El'endia: <freaking because BACK is the assassin> YOU'RE THE OTHER TEAM]

Heh - "Donald" - SCREEN, PRESS, DUCK. Worth a shot...? Maybe.

Hmm, it looks like blue might donate me a word. Appreciated, but then I have to come up with a different clue.
@JohnDvorak It was! Turned out to be way better than I thought as the game went on.
I thought it was a thing!
Avi
Avi
22:36
I was correct about them both being black/red
just wrong order ;-;
when I'm wrong, I'm WRONG
but otherwise I'm right
ok, time to SM
O/
hopefully it'll be a bit faster this time
o/ But only for an hour.
0/
@El'endiaStarman Totally wrecked me.
22:38
!newgame Avi, PiIsNot3, ThePuzzlingPlatypus, DjMcMayhem, El'endia Starman, user58
RED: PiIsNot3, El'endia Starman, DjMcMayhem
BLUE: Avi, ThePuzzlingPlatypus, user58
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/6zuhixnsj40rwnmsjshaz3sexikdf6l
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/ena9lkbypr828ufb48qevbg6lmx06lv

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
@user58 It sure did. My apologies.
BLUE goes first!
Avi
Avi
oh, I'm blue
kk, starting
!leave DjMcMayhem
22:40
RED: PiIsNot3, El'endia Starman
!joinred DJMcMayhem
RED: PiIsNot3, El'endia Starman, DJMcMayhem
Better
The spelling of my name has thrown a wrench in things several times
22:41
I was still reading the logs...
!join
Hi John Dvorak, you'll be joining team red!
FR: Make Shiro case-insensitive
RED: PiIsNot3, El'endia Starman, DJMcMayhem, John Dvorak
Hi caird coinheringaahing, you'll be joining team blue!
BLUE: Avi, ThePuzzlingPlatypus, user58, caird coinheringaahing
22:41
Whoa, slow down guys, the logs are fairly long :P
Avi
Avi
Blue: ANIMAL (3)
Rabbit, Shark
Torn between Horseshoe and Lab (i.e. the dog)
i'd go lab, since a horseshoe isn't part of the animal, but what do you guys think?
RABBIT, SHARK, LAB?, TRUNK?
22:43
RABBIT is Blue
SHARK is Blue
I think LAB is good.
22:43
LAB is Red
Seriously?
It is now Red's turn
I'm gonna try to actually pay attention this game
Alright, good start! :)
22:46
I'm going to get some water
Still thinking...
!joingame
Hi Rubiksmoose, you'll be joining team blue!
BLUE: Avi, ThePuzzlingPlatypus, user58, caird coinheringaahing, Rubiksmoose
Ollo Rubiks cube moose
Howdy :)
22:49
Welcome. :) Our SM is still working on their clue.
Cool beans
Red: Isaac Newton (3)
Apple
Scientist
Fall?
And Fall.
That's great.
22:50
Where's he from?
That's pretty awesome :D
@JohnDvorak England, so not Berlin. :)
I don't think he was German?
Yeah
no objections then
22:51
APPLE is Red
SCIENTIST
SCIENTIST is Red
FALL is Red
2
Just Apple/Scientist would be Wozniak
[PASS]
Also, for just a moment I thought I was on team Blue and freaked out when APPLE was red lol.
That doesn't look promising
Okay, TRUNK on the back burner.
22:52
@JohnDvorak Or... Even Newton still
I'd guess Fall Last
Yeah I looked and TRUNK seems to me to be a good choice as well
I was hoping lab would turn out to be the newton word
@user58 Personally, I prefer Horseshoe, as it has the name of an animal in it, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:53
Oh that's good as well
Avi
Avi
derpity derp
shush!
That wasn't good
now we know what to guess
Avi
Avi
time to come up with a different clue
22:53
shush!
@everyone please play as if you didn't see that message.
Avi
Avi
Blue: EQUINE (3)
(Or at least try.)
horseshoe
and I don't have the board
got it
Well it seems like I looked away at the correct time at least
22:54
Scroll up
horseshoe
playing horseshoe
horseshoe
HORSESHOE is Blue
!board
22:55
Yard maybe?
I was spoiled by that earlier message
YARD and STRAW
Horses are measured in hands
STRAW is Blue
22:56
moose is right
Ooh, I like Hand better
@ThePuzzlingPlatypus Yeah, that's really bad.
not my fault
Personally, I don't think it's really possible to "play like you didn't see/hear something?
We'll only use it in case of emergency :P
22:56
@DJMcMayhem exactly
If you can't ignore what you saw, then you can at least prove that your guesses match the given clue. :)
that I can do
Did everyone else? I didn't and am on my phone so I don't see the deleted message
Do we like Hand or Yard better?
shush!
I don't know much about horses, so I'm okay if y'all want to go with HAND.
it's our turn
HAND is Red
Oh, dear.
It is now Red's turn
22:58
that is a thing though
Sorry team :(
I swear, Shiro waits longer to post a message when you get it wrong than when you're right
She has to think the best insult
For what it's worth, I'd have gone with HAND too. Simply ran afoul of a connection that the SM didn't see.
22:59
@JohnDvorak "Oh, dear." truly is devastating :P

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