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05:00
oh cool
Sid
Sid
Hm, Cycle works as well. Go for Dance first..
His gimmick is he revives himself.
See it makes sense
Sid
Sid
DANCE
red
^-^
Sid
Sid
05:00
CYCLE
Marth too can "recover" #terriblejokes
Sid
Sid
@ffao what is your logic for PASS?
Passing through as an action?
passing is an action
that was my logic, not that confident but it's what I have
Sid
Sid
05:02
Well, let's go for it. It surely can't be the assassin..
We might be better off actually passing right now
Oh alright then
Sid
Sid
PASS
neutral
OUR TURN jk jk
Get it? because pass
I only said 2 tho
05:02
@Topple heh it actually is your turn
5 mins ago, by Phoenix
Action, 3
Sid
Sid
Alright. Not an issue..
That's 3
It is our turn though?
Wait
shite
typo
Yeah I saw that. I felt dumb going for the joke but it was too late lol
05:02
Dammit
@Topple we used to say "pass" without brackets, but now we make sure to use them
!board
I don't think you are suposed to say anything if there is a typo
Okay so guys I am pretty sure the 5th hole is "hole in the wall"
pats bot on head
05:03
@Topple ooh, possible
I thought that
@WheatWizard nope! you just gotta live with your mistakes
Saying typo is definitely cheating
But we need the new clue I guess
@Wen your go
05:03
yeah, let's wait for the new clue
@Wen1now Sorry, didn't know
kinda harsh to call it "cheating" when we'd be better off if he had just given the right clue in the first place
Wait who claimed cheating
Yeah I was going to edit but then I realised everybody was waiting for me
@Phoenix Sorry if I offended you
1 min ago, by Wen1now
Saying typo is definitely cheating
@Topple
05:05
yeah, not cheating in this case, but it can certainly be abused
I guess I don't understand the situation here
@Wen1now No worries mate.
Sid
Sid
@Phoenix The best/worst thing being an SM is that you have to shout at the screen if you are being misinterpreted and yet type nothing.
11 hours ago, by Deusovi
half of the fun of this game is watching your friends reason themselves into an absolutely terrible idea and watching helplessly, unable to stop them
lol
05:06
I don't know why, but it's somehow worse when it's the enemy team doing it wrong.
@Phoenix I feel like I can use this information.
Sid
Sid
I am pretty sure playing this game will get me a blood pressure problem sooner rather than later. :P
I didn't do much reasoning last game
@WheatWizard I was referring to Cover
Good point
I forgot about that
05:07
There isn't even a new clue
v_v Cover never happened
@Wen1now, next clue?
restriction, 3
bolt
string
wall?
05:08
Wasn't wall neutral
yeah, that seems most promising to me
don't see any better ones
Or no wall is for hole
Berlin wall
!board
05:09
WALL
Blue
any objections to bolt/string?
Let me think for a second
Seems ok
BOLT
I want to thingk
05:10
blue
Compound is on my radar.
for "restriction"?
yeah same
Maybe not though
05:10
sting might be better though
Can I say something about a word, if it's already been guessed?
Rabbit proof fence
Sid
Sid
Nope, I think.
05:11
Its australia
After all, part of the game is uncertainty about whether your clues are hinting at those words specifically
the team shouldn't be 100% sure that they got your clue right
The after game is when we talk about how stupid all the guessers were
Sid
Sid
@Phoenix you have to wait till the end of the game to say anything regarding your clues
I am not coming up with a good answer
sting is good by me
05:12
STRING
blue
[passing]
No compound?
Too loose I guess
05:12
I think we got the restrictions
I mean, the score is 7-3.
I think we're fine. :P
Hard to say. Wall could still be the 5th hole
Could be both.
Sid
Sid
Well, we are losing anyway. We need an ffao(5) clue...
05:13
Yeah
@Topple We should guess it again just in case
We passed
Close game
It really isn't
It was sarcasm ._.
05:14
Deusovi I've been wondering about something. Should I make a thread or can I just ask you
Hm? Go ahead and ask.
Point, 2
I was wondering if there's a possibility of "soft advertising" on here. By that I mean when I post a puzzle for the community, I can mention in the post that it's from my magazine.
Maybe even more garbage clue than last time
Guys
point bank
Sid
Sid
05:16
... Well, I am blanking here
its a pun
Shoo
@Sid same
... point?
Sid
Sid
Maybe tick? Because we get a point for a tick in exams? Or something like that?
@Topple Hm. I think mentioning it is fine. But you probably shouldn't post a puzzle solely for the purpose of advertising.
And it'll likely depend on specifically how you mention it.
05:18
If it helps both parties, what's the real harm done?
It's annoying if done in excess
Yeah
@Topple What are you talking about?
"This puzzle is from my magazine. Subscribe now for just $9.99 a month!"
True enough. But I'm not entirely comfortable with setting a precedent for things like that, and depending on the specific phrasing, it may be more annoying than anything.
I might need to discuss this with the other mods.
05:19
I just feel like there's this inherent animosity to advertising when in reality the companies trying to advertise can actually help enrich the community experience.
Sid
Sid
okay, this game isn't going anywhere. Might as well go for tick in ... 3
TICK
Might as well
Neutral
Like if I DON'T post puzzles here, that's just less puzzles
Sorry
05:21
!board
I mean, if the post is littered with links to your magazine, then I'd obviously say no. And like I said, advertising will likely need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis.
Did we get a clue yet
You guys should guess the assassin.
That's a smart idea
@Wen your turn
05:21
Astronaut, 2
MOON
Sorry, I was thinking
blue
blue
pole? like flagpole? :/
Sid
Sid
Astronauts move in Limousine..
05:22
Parachute for the space craft re-entering
Don't they have one at the end?
Sid
Sid
and they are usually kids..
Yeah, that sounds plausible to me
Of course that one astronaut WAS a teacher
So get rekt our team hehe
parachute is our best bet
agreed
PARACHUTE
05:23
yeah
welp
Well dang
Yeah it would just be "Here's a nurikabe puzzle from the latest issue of my puzzle magazine Topple" no links even
05:23
Ok guys
I need you to ace this
We have 4 left
And I need to think of a nonshitty clue
@Topple I'm almost certain that'll be fine.
Okay but I guess I need to know it's "officially" fine. I did try that one time and my post was force-edited by a member to remove mention of my magazine.
Sid
Sid
50% of red's clues have been found by the blue team. That's co-operation, right there.
05:24
And the example I gave you is all I said
@Sid This is too sad for me.
Weird stat
@Topple Looking at your questions, that's not quite what happened.
Does puzzling have a sandbox?
Oh really?
05:26
It wasn't mentioning your magazine, just a lot of things that distracted from the puzzle.
Interesting
(And weren't really related to it?)
SE is weird in that editing other people's posts is encouraged. It took me a while to get used to.
A puzzling sandbox?
Germany, 2
@WheatWizard ...Sort of.
05:27
@Wen1now We have one in PPCG
You post challenges there before you post them to main
Sid
Sid
BERLIN
@Phoenix Congratulations, you just made it impossible for your team to win. They only have 3 guesses, and 4 words left.
...
So you can get feedback
Yay! I love feedback
05:27
And it helped someone once
@Deusovi Would not have happened anyway
But yes was stupid.
Can we concede?
Just give them unlimited
Sid
Sid
.. Are limousine made in Germany?
Sandbox stuff: We have one for riddles. It was made mandatory at one point, which was... contentious, to say the least. Making additional sandboxes for other puzzle types is something we'd be happy to do, though.
05:28
It was a terrible clue >_>
Still can't think of anything better <_<
Where is our Riddle sandbox?
**Ad stuff:** We had an... incident... with another user advertising like this several years ago. It was significantly more hostile than this, but it makes us hesitant about allowing this at all.

There's no precedent for this on other SE sites - Puzzling is the only one with so much focus on questions, and *original* questions at that. So handling things on a case-by-case basis is pretty much our only option at the moment - advertising isn't *intrinsically* bad, but it can easily be abused.
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Q: The Riddle Sandbox

SandboxWhere am I!? This is Puzzling Stack Exchange's Official Riddle Sandboxâ„¢! Users who wish to post riddles can post them here first, and receive feedback, development advice and guidance before posting them on the main site. Writing good riddles the first time can be difficult, and this is intende...

Sid
Sid
I have guessed Berlin, @Phoenix
It is red
Given that I have accidentally made it impossible to win, can we concede.
Sid
Sid
Nope.
05:30
Case by case basis is all I ask for from communities. So many just outright ban advertising even if the advertisers can provide a service or enrich that community in some way
You can, but that's no fun.
playing an unwinnable game is no fun either
Fair point.
I'll let Sid guess whatever he wants
Sid
Sid
@ffao Is there something called German Oil?
Well, yeah, whatever.
OIL
05:31
Neutral
Unrelated to this match, how frequently does someone actually get the assassin?
child, 1
@Phoenix In our games, I'd say about 1/5 of the time? Maybe a bit less.
I'm bad at estimating though.
05:31
KID
I guess encountering assassin is artificially rare by good clues
That's more than I expected
Yay, we win
made artificially more rare
I can play again
Someone else please be SM
05:32
Sorry about the astronaut, I just wanted to make sure you guys didn't go with compound
I am available for one more
@Topple Yeah, we're generally pretty relaxed here. And that line you gave me sounds harmless. I'm not going to say it's 100% okay or anything - like I said, I'm extremely hesitant about this due to some previous incidents - but that sounds fine to me.
Sid
Sid
@Phoenix What were red words?
I will be SM if no one objects
/wants it themselves
I'd also be happy to be a spymaster.
05:32
I'd do it
Sid
Sid
I can if no one else wants to..
@Sid Triangle, Teacher, Bank. I honestly could not tie them together at all.
I've got puzzles to make, and since everybody else wants to SM I'll just play a normal game
wow, we have 4 SM volunteers? :o
@Phoenix Triangle+teacher: GEOMETRY
05:33
Deusovi then I insist you discuss with the mods. I just want to give the community a free puzzle now and then and let them know I have a magazine full of unique puzzles they might enjoy
So my point Bank hint was valid?
triangle+bank: ILLUMINATI
I don't need to be SM, someone can take it
You guys doubted me, I was really trying to help.
@Deusovi See I said Point because a triangle has points and and a teacher points at the board a lot.
05:34
Point was really ambiguous IMO
Sid
Sid
That is.... tenuous
Maybe you should've said Points
Probably
I would have guessed triangle first
Also, A bolt hole is a thing.
05:34
he should have said geometry, as Deusovi suggested
that would be easy for us
Yeah, I was thinking bolt hole
It was like the first thing that came to my mind even before I looked at my SM board
Sid
Sid
You could have said Math as well
So who are our new Spy masters?
did we decide
Sid
Sid
Maybe Bank also comes in there, as they do counting..
05:35
I'll just go back to code gold where I'm appreciated more.
I defer
@Phoenix We appreciate you! :c
Scissors paper rock
three others are up for it I think
nah, I think we should give @Topple a chance to spymaster
05:36
Oh boy
XD
Sid
Sid
Yep. New guys can be gems..
Yeah, @Topple Have a go!
Okay
Just remember two pieces of advice:
Second master?
05:37
- Make sure clues don't relate to the ASSASSIN
- Have fun
I love having fun
Good point on the assassin
And don't tell me how to live my life
>:(
lol
Does assassin end game?
Yup.
@Deusovi Right, a couple of times I taught you guys new words in unfairly difficult Contact games, while passing multiple times a minute at the start because I can't guess anything.
depending on the situation, you might want to give a looser clue that matches more words or a tighter clue that matches less words
If an assassin is guessed, the team who guessed it immediately loses.
05:38
choose wisely
o_o
I'm fine with losing, it's more annoying when someone was depending on you.
yeah
Sid
Sid
Anyhow, who is the second SM?
so who is the second SM?
05:39
Who dares rival me
We had 3 volunteers
and my two game experience with codemaster
Er codenames
I'm still up for it, like I said
Bring it on Deusovi
If you're not chicken
@Topple You have officially had more experience than I did, therefore you are expected to be better than I am :P
05:40
All volunteers except Deus back down when Topple volunteers
Ha true XD
we're all chickens
I'm still up
flip a coin?
OK
heads or tails?
05:41
or I'll happily defer to you
You can use Shiro. Make a new game for just you two, Red gets to be SM
Shiro needs a !flipcoin feature
(@ffao hint hint)
!newgame Deusovi, Wheat
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/maq2h1qa7k5wtuxdvrkqouh274ggy5
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/6jrlrvajtpnvprs20587mvud7o6bzk9

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
05:42
um
I'm making a random feature for Shiro
Wot
That could be a bug @ffao
!newgame Deusovi, Wheat, a, a
RED: Wheat, a
What are the teams lol
05:42
Okay, so a random colour generator
Wheat it is
BLUE: Deusovi, a
well that settles it
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/lptpuyo94jm3uqvgxqddobdvzxj71ev
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/4328l3hv63xvfu9cj52oojcx47cfyhr

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
And a random person chooser from a list
05:42
Sid
Sid
Poor Shiro getting overworked..
Wait I am lost
@Topple bot shenanigans
oh lol
@Topple We're just flipping a coin in an incredibly roundabout way using shiro
05:43
Boo
heads/tails = red/blue
So Topple and Wheat are SMs?
!newgame Topple, Wheat, pheonix, sid, deusovi, numbermaniac?
anyone else?
Sp3000 too i think
@ffao?
@Sp3000?
05:44
Yup I'm here
still here
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermania, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
rip bot
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
We'll see
I think Shiro has permissions on it, so either way we can't do it.
05:45
I don't think the bot listens to Phoenix yet
It does not
I was hoping someone would copypaste
@ffao pls add me
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
I just did but it seems to be dead
I think we killed it
Just a coin flip they said
Oh no, I think the bot died
05:45
RIP
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
RED: Topple, Numbermaniac, ffao, Sid
It's just for fun they said
BLUE: Wheat, Sp3000, Wen1Now, Phoenix, Deusovi
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/khmuijp0bc9m7p7fgbk5njs5ncy9m9n
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/b922p9oov5475o7mfueq28lko5cv758

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
Who's first
05:46
Idk
Also aww I'm blue
!flipcoin
Red
What happened? Why'd the bot die fail?
There you go @Deusovi
05:46
yaaaay
Also what is this It either never existed or has already been viewed.
@Wen1now ffao updated it
@Topple Who has more starting tiles
I am first
Neato
05:46
Oh it was being restarted riiight
It says someone clicked my link
I cant see anything
@Topple, check the other one
!recall
New game then?
05:47
To view the current seed, click this link: onetimesecret.com/secret/6qil6mkxp6ci019jyughd10107b68bk
@Topple ^
click that
The !recall command is so dodgy
@numbermaniac, don't use recall
Oh what's wrong with it
05:47
let's just newgame
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
RED: Topple, Numbermaniac, ffao, Deusovi
BLUE: Wheat, Phoenix, Sid, Wen1Now, Sp3000
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/nec4hltl3d1rtyccgnscrt2bf68f5bb
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/l8389il1v8rbfkai6rvhelwnqkxalx8

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
God damn it
Sid
Sid
Lol, me and Deusovi just swapped.
I like these teams slightly less tbh. By which I entirely mean Deusovi is on the other team now.
05:49
It keeps saying the secret never existed or someone already saw it
did you try the other one?
WW, did you get your seed?
you're red now
click the RED seed
yeah
I got mine
I clicked red each time
05:49
@ffao Is board[0] the team who goes first?
Yes, wen
@Topple well, you were blue last time, so you should've clicked blue
Ah
But I did click red this time
Try clicking blue just in case
I did
05:50
... third try's the charm?
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
RED: Wheat, ffao, Sp3000, Deusovi, Phoenix
You mentioned you have technical issues of some kind, earlier?
BLUE: Topple, Sid, Wen1Now, Numbermaniac
These are ok teams
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/a4t8cekl19hn7f38s0bh41nd3l40t57
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/mh8akf9yc0ewk6c9unpgh2zfqghvtcr

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
05:50
9/10
okay, try now
@ffao Shouldn't it be trivial to get Shiro to say who goes first then?
I cant be SM I gues
Sorry guys
try again with blue
05:51
@Wen1now I already filed a pull request for it
Same
it should
but I wanted to implement how many words left for each
that's more generic than just who starts
I guess Deus vs Wheat
wait, @Topple, try one last time
Something is up, the link never works
05:52
I can just send you the number
no one cheat ok?
That's bizarre.
I'll accept numbermaniac's pull request for now, but I still want to have how many left as a feature
What do I do with this number?
I think I actually got a number the very first time
Go to this site:
@Topple that would've been helpful to know
I... really would prefer not playing with an open seed
wait, so if topple got the number, then it's working
05:53
Just take me off, sorry for the confusion
yeah, it should be working
one last try?
!newgame Topple, Wheat, Deusovi, Phoenix, Numbermaniac, Sid, Sp3000, Wen1Now, ffao
RED: Topple, Numbermaniac, ffao, Deusovi, Sp3000
rip my amazing board
okay, click the link and get the number
BLUE: Wheat, Wen1Now, Phoenix, Sid
05:54
so good
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/8jsswxp83v3q81c8p50ymijqilwn5hv
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/ewqg1sg9d5idreda7j7scclc2c6cnsa

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
Nope
Take me off SM
I'm glitched or something
Ok I can't see the secret either
I hate to say this, but...
Yay I'm not the worst SM ever!
>>Time to make a pull request before somebody beats me to it
05:54
What is it doing
@WheatWizard wait, really?
Pheonix ouch
Sid
Sid
Did you get a number?
@Deusovi Yeah
so nobody got the seed?
05:55
Not this time
that's so weird
no I got the never existed prompt
What is wrong with this?
I clicked my color
05:55
reroll?
Sid
Sid
Something's wrong with the bot, I think
We have rerolled like 5 times already
The bot is fine
Can we quickly start a new game? I want to test something myself.
board[2][whatever] is the colour, in string form, correct?
correct
05:58
The bot uses the API to submit the seeds so I doubt it'd have a problem there
Unless the website's servers are playing up
Just play open-seed
Can someone with permission please start a new game? I want to test something.
What's the "something"
@newgame a, b, c, d
! and not @
05:59
!newgame a, b, c, d
RED: b, c
Something like !seed whatever
BLUE: a, d
RED spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/82dsiszcec7sctz5tvxe876i8vel1b7
BLUE spymaster only, please click on this link to see the seed: https://onetimesecret.com/secret/jjjiilg7c23iwq7bp3b22mrpazb5rad

Please save the seed somewhere! As a last resort if any of you happens to forget the seed, you can type !recall to get a new link.
I was just able to open both of those secrets
No problem

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