Agama and Tantra

Aghori

6:13 AM

Hello Sir

How is your health?

Rakesh Joshi

better

Aghori

Reads good sir.

Peace be upon you.

😉😃

@Tezz i read five fold manifestation of Siva are - Aghora, ishana, tatpurusha, vama & satyojat.

Tezz

@Aghori where did you read it..? They are called panchabrahmanas:

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A: Who are Pancha brahmas' and Why are they called so?

Pancha-Brahmans are the five fold manifestation of Lord Shiva and are named as Sadyojata, Tatpurusha, Aghora, Vamadeva and Ishana. Each five manifestations further manifest as five deities which are as Brahma from Sadyojata, Vishnu from Vamadeva, Rudra from Aghora, Maheswara from Tatpurusha and S...

Aghori

Pancha-Brahmans are the five fold manifestation of Lord Shiva and are named as Sadyojata, Tatpurusha, Aghora, Vamadeva and Ishana.

You yourself saying. :P

Good answer.

Tezz

6:28 AM

@Aghori you read from which scripture...?

Aghori

Mrigendra āgama.

Tezz

Oh ok....

Aghori

Thinking to add 2nd answer there.

Tezz

Yeah you can post...

Aghori

6:50 AM

Done

Rakesh Joshi

shivadarshana.blogspot.in/2007/08/pancha-brahma-mantras.html

Tezz

@Aghori yes saw... nice answer!...👍👍👍

Aghori

Thanks bro.

S S

7:30 AM

@Rickross What is wrong in calling "Mahagauri as that Mahagauri is the one?" I didn't intend any wring meaning here? What wrong did you find here?

The Destroyer

@SS I think words "That Mahagouri" looks bad.

S S

@TheDestroyer Don't we call "aa raamudu" , "aa devudu" ? I said in that way.

The Destroyer

@SS Yeah. I think in English and at that context it may look bad for some. It looks like it is conveying, "it was Mahagouri who said that (so Mahagouri is responsible)."

S S

Like in "उस देवी ने राक्षस का अंत की"

@TheDestroyer Rickross had the problem with only first three words "Mahagauri is the one" not calling devi as responsible. That's the problem with Englsih not with me.

Rickross

7:48 AM

@SS "That Mahagauri" looks bad to me..It was Mahagauri who did so..this is what i would have written..

S S

@Rickross ok. I will take care while commenting from now on

Rakesh Joshi

8:07 AM

पुराणों में अग्निहोत्र को सोमेश लिङ्ग से सम्बद्ध करके एक ऐसी दिशा की ओर संकेत किया गया है जिसका ब्राह्मण ग्रन्थों में प्रत्यक्ष वर्णन नहीं है । यह विचारणीय विषय है ।
प्राणाग्निहोत्र : प्राणाग्निहोत्रोपनिषद तथा देवीभागवत पुराण में प्राणाग्निहोत्र विधि तथा उसका विवेचन उपलब्ध है । दोनों विवेचनों में कुछ समानताएं हैं तो कुछ असमानताएं । दोनों विवेचनों में मुख को आहवनीय अग्नि माना गया है । प्राणाग्निहोत्रोपनिषद में हृदय को गार्हपत्य अग्नि और नाभि को अन्वाहार्यपचन अग्नि माना गया है, जबकि देवीभागवत पुराण में हृदय को अन्वाहार्यपचन अग्नि और उदर को गार्हपत्य अग्नि कहा गया है । दोनों स्थानों पर प्राण, …

@Rickross do u know this upanishad and this subject in devi bhagvat

Aghori

@TriyugiNarayanMani are you sanyasi?

Rickross

8:26 AM

@RakeshJoshi i can not read what is written there.

Rakesh Joshi

hindi

prana-agnihotra

and pranagnihotra upaishad

Rickross

@RakeshJoshi No i don't know about it.

@Aghori Does the RYT state that in morning, japa should not be done using rudraksha mala?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Aghori No :-)

Did you think so?

Aghori

9:04 AM

@Rickross I haven't seen such rule so far. :)

@TriyugiNarayanMani haha. Just asked.

@TheDestroyer @Tezz @RakeshJoshi I think there can't be a centralized Sagun Brahman in realm of Māyā Tattva.

The Destroyer

@Aghori He is married and he has a 1 year old son.

@Aghori why?

Aghori

@TriyugiNarayanMani Congratulations for marriage & son. Wish you a very spiritual & prosperous Grihsthashram.

@TheDestroyer Māyā distorts non duality, then how nom duality can be maintained after distortion? Shauna Brahman is nothing but the whole universe.

The Destroyer

@Aghori Maya can't distort non Duality. From philosophy, you are saying?

Aghori

Yes

The role of Maya is just to make us perceive dual which is non dual in actual.

The Destroyer

@Aghori yeah.

Aghori

9:16 AM

Then how there can be a centralized Ishwar? I'm thinking to post question.

The Destroyer

@Aghori Saguna Brahman is everything. He is universe and at same time he has forms like Vishnu, Shiva, Devi.

Aghori

Sagun Brahman is not centralized but.

It is distributed. Right?

The Destroyer

@Aghori what does centralized mean?

Aghori

concentrate (control of an activity or organization) under a single authority.

Who is Ishwar in AV? Lord Vishnu or Shiva? @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@Aghori no one. No name.

Aghori

9:23 AM

Yes. None of them is Ishwar

The Destroyer

iSwara is Saguna brahman. Iswara's different forms are trimurties.

Aghori

Because Ishwar can't be centralized, AdiShankaracharya too knew.

Not even forms. Everything is Ishwar

Because Ishwar is distributed.

Rakesh Joshi

the one who perform pancha kritya

Aghori

But question arises, what is the nature of body of Ishwar?

The Destroyer

@Aghori I think Iswara is both Sakara and Nirakara.

Aghori

9:26 AM

Oh.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer seems u enjoy talking more to vaishnavites

@Aghori Thanks :-)

No thanks Here. :)

ha ha

@TheDestroyer How you have been doing nowadays?

@RakeshJoshi He is neutral. :)

The Destroyer

9:30 AM

@RakeshJoshi Not like that. No enjoy or no pain.

Rakesh Joshi

ur inclination is more to those chats

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Nope. What made you to think like that?

Rakesh Joshi

Celebration of 1000th year of Kashmirian Genius Acharya Abhinavagupt | Day-2 | Veena by B.Kannan

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Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer I am glad that you remembered.

Aghori

Wow. Gonna watch sir.

Rakesh Joshi

9:35 AM

Sri Abhinavagupta was adept in arts like Veena (music) , singing, Natya (dance), Naataka (drama) etc

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this is expression of realization in all the possible forms in human life..

Aghori

He was scholar of all schools of thought.

Rakesh Joshi

Abhinavabharati is a commentary on ancient Indian author Bharata Muni's work of dramatic theory, the Natyasastra. It is the oldest commentary available on the treatise. The Abhinavabharati was written by Abhinavagupta (ca. 950-1020), the great Kashmiri Saivite spiritual leader and a yogi.

In this monumental work, Abhinavagupta explains the rasasutra of Bharata in consonance with the theory of abhivyakti (expression) propounded in Anandavardhana's (820-890) work Dhvanyaloka ("aesthetic suggestion"), as well as the tenets of the Pratyabhijna philosophy of Kashmir.

Aghori

His Tantraloka is boon for us.

Rakesh Joshi

According to Abhinavagupta, the aesthetic experience is the manifestation of the innate dispositions of the self, such as love and sorrow, by the self. It is characterised by the contemplation of the bliss of the self by the connoisseur. It is akin to the spiritual experience as one transcends the limitations of one's limited self because of the process of universalisation taking place during the aesthetic contemplation of characters depicted in the work of art. Abhinavagupta maintains that this rasa (literally, taste or essence, the final outcome)[1] is the summum bonum of all literature.

Tezz

I'm looking for English or Hindi translation of TantraLoka.. looks like it isn't avaliable online @RakeshJoshi @Aghori

Rakesh Joshi

9:46 AM

@Tezz i think Aghori knows a bit .

about its avialablity

" The Self, which is present in every form and is self-luminous, does both the questioning and answering itself as if by dividing itself into questioner and the answerer itself, both being itself at the same time."
-Abhinavagupta ( quote taken from 'Kashmir Shaivism', The Central Philosophy of Tantrism, by Kamalakar Mishra, 1999

Aghori

@Tezz it is available in Hindi luckily. & Explained in English as well some verses.

Beautiful @RakeshJoshi

Rakesh Joshi

so both disciple and guru are same thing in reality

Aghori

Kashmir Shaivism talks a lot on Consciousness, Subject, object etc.

Rakesh Joshi

u and tezz and destroyer shoiuld also communicate whats app

Aghori

Haha

Tezz

9:55 AM

@Aghori where is it avaliable in Hindi?...

Aghori

@Tezz @RakeshJoshi here is 1st volume in Hindi.

archive.org/details/ShriTantralokaIRadheshyamChaturvedi

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz there are some hindi audio discourses on various scriptures of KS if you wish..

Aghori

All volumes are available but 1st volume itself seems very vast. Around 123MB.

Rakesh Joshi

how many pages ?

Aghori

591 Sir

🏃

Rakesh Joshi

9:58 AM

totally must be 3000 + pages

Tezz

@Aghori oh ok Thank you so much!. . .. can you post here links for other volumes too...?

Aghori

Yes.

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz you look delighted :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi are the discourses KS texts itself or they are based on KS texts?...

Rakesh Joshi

KS text meaning explained in hindi text by text in detailed series of lecture

Tezz

10:00 AM

@RakeshJoshi Yeah I'm delighted.. I was searching for TantraLoka translation for a long time..

Rakesh Joshi

Sri Abhinavagupta blessings ..

Aghori

Volume 2: archive.org/details/ShriTantralokaIIRadheshyamChaturvedi

Tezz

@Aghori oh ok... now I can access other volumes myself..

Aghori

Volume 3: archive.org/details/ShriTantralokaIIIRadheshyamChaturvedi

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani @Tezz @Aghori @Pandya @SwiftPushkar

https://archive.org/details/ShivSutraLectureSeries

https://archive.org/details/PratyabhigyaLectureSeries

https://archive.org/details/VigyanBhairavLectureSeries

https://archive.org/details/SpandKarikaLectureSeries

Aghori

10:03 AM

Yes @Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Yes. :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Oh ok.. Thanks!....

Aghori

Thanks Sir bookmarked.

Rakesh Joshi

i feel that audios are easy to listen and grasp when compared to books

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi - 👍👍

Triyugi Narayan Mani

10:22 AM

@RakeshJoshi Thanks and great stuff.

Rakesh Joshi

11:54 AM

tomorrow start of that sun worship ... @TheDestroyer

Rickross

@Aghori Ok. How many chapters are there in it and how far u have finished reading?

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oItF9y9Cdk

The Destroyer

12:48 PM

@RakeshJoshi Yeah. Will do that.

Aghori

@Rickross it is a long text. I am on "Atha visha". But I'm gonna stop reading it since Guru is needed to follow Rudrayāmala tantra.

60 chapters + apendices @Rickross

Aghori

1:17 PM

@Rickross BTW, I got little discouraged after studying RYT. I will resume after few years.

Aghori

2:43 PM

@TheDestroyer An answer on karma theory. hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/18798/8696

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A: If Human birth is so Auspicious and Rare, why does God let some people be born as - Lunatic, Autistic, Schizophrenic et cetera?

Human birth is result of accumulation in Manas of a Jeeva. After death, the impressions on Manas if are in resonance with human birth, the Jeeva will appear in human womb. This has been explained by Swāmi Vivekānanda (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda/Volume 2/Jnana-Yoga/The Cosmos: The Mic...

You can also check this answer on Karma theory. @Tezz @RakeshJoshi @Rickross

Rickross

3:58 PM

@Aghori Ok thanks, but why are u disappointed upon reading it? Does it stress on having a Guru (every Agama text will)? Or it does not talk about the things u like to read?

Aghori

5:22 PM

@Rickross Very ritualistic scripture. :/

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