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The Farmer

00:01

Q: Does sugar or dairy contribute to more loss of life?

Of the many studies that show reduced lifespan due to diary and sugar, had anyone compared the two to see which is worse? I ask because the elimination of one usually results in an increase in the other to keep taste in processed foods.

10 hours later…

David S

10:11

He seems to be creating a false choice. Dairy or sugar, why not just eat healthy food 'for health reasons'.

Zanna

I don't think it is on topic

I don't think sugar is a dairy replacement

David S

No I couldn't think what food he could be talking about that did that.

Zanna

Low fat options might have more sugar, but that's not the same as low dairy

David S

Q: Does sugar or dairy contribute to more loss of life?

Zanna

Low fat flavoured yogurt etc

David S

10:13

A: Yes

Zanna

@DavidS hahaha

David S

Yeah, plain or unsweetened alpro yoghurt I bet doesn't have more sugar than plain dairy yoghurt (not that I ever really liked or ate yoghurt before I was vegan)

avazula

10:58

@DavidS I love Alpro! It used to be unfindable in France so I discovered the brand in Hungary but we have it since '18 and I love it

David S

Yeah I suppose it's easy for us to take it for granted but alpro is kind of the default here..

but I've watched some youtubers who are vegan and they visit the UK for something and are like "alpro !"

hehe

1 hour later…

Zanna

12:09

I'm actually not a fan of a alpro yogurt. I prefer the French brand Sojade

Alpro add thickeners and stuff

David S

Oh I've never tried Sojade

Maybe I will.

I think I might have seen it and thought it was dairy

Zanna

12:33

Tesco's plain soya yogurt is similar

I buy that one in my hometown because I can't get sojade

I quite like provamel unsweetened with almond or coconut

My mum's favourite used to be Koko brand, but now she gets alpro vanilla haha she says it's like eating custard for breakfast

The types I like have minimal ingredients. They aren't very nice alone but I feel they are more versatile than others. You can make raita and tzatziki with them.

Of course my favourite yogurt is COYO brand

But I eat a lot of yogurt (in UK) and I would be very in debt and very fat if I ate that quantity of Coyo...

@Malavika you said you are vegan

I don't know any vegans in India except you!

David S

lots of yoghurts to try then :)

im just having a sort of sea soup for lunch, noodles, seaweed, fish sauce, shitakes, gochu jiang and miso.

regret buckwheat noodles though

should have gone rice

fish is in implied quotes I suppose.

Zanna

13:23

@Malavika I have met other vegans in India and from India but I don't really know them. I'm not saying they don't exist or anything

@Malavika would you like to tell the story?

@DavidS sounds good

I only just had my lunch :(

David S

I tried to go for something semi healthy because I will probably have pizza tonight

Zanna

I was so hungry I forgot to put walnuts in my beetroot mustard walnut salad

David S

oh no.

error.

did you find mustard greens? :)

Zanna

I think so. I found some greens. Could be mustard

I have got another beetroot so I'll try again tomorrow

It was yummy, but the greens were sort of chewy

David S

Zanna

13:35

I think I will zhuzh them before adding to the pan

Along with the walnuts

Its funny because walnuts are horrendously expensive and I walked about in the filthy weather most unwillingly to get them

Why do I make so many unnecessary mistakes?

David S

perhaps present you making the salad just couldn't conceive of the altruism of previous you that bought walnuts and so didn't think to look for any in the cupboard

altruism is the wrong word.

but near enough

Zanna

Hahahaha

You got me

Rofl

David S

Zanna

Obviously it was just a side dish

David S

obviously.

Zanna

13:41

So I didn't pay enough attention

David S

Sounds like it was a harrowing time buying walnuts, it's no surprise you've suppressed the memory.

Zanna

14:33

David S

welcome back.

3 hours later…

Zanna

17:27

@Malavika is that not incorrect?

Eggs are non-veg in India, right?

So "pure vegetarian" in india means permanent (as in, not just on festivals and specific days of the week) lacto-vegetarian

not ovo-lacto-vegetarian

So the article is... wrong?

I am well aware that many Indians are lacto-vegetarians

But I have met very few who are vegan

Yes I am vegan, although sometimes I eat dairy products outside home here as it is difficult to avoid. I really dislike eating dairy products and I hope I will get better at avoiding them. But veg restaurants are serving many things containing dairy here

For example putting ghee. I don't want to ask about every dish does this contain ghee. So simply I keep quiet and eat