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6:06 PM
@Bubbler re codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/201760/41805, I believe the shortest tc subset of apl without would be interesting on its own
since ⎕ isn't part of the "core" of apl
 
6:30 PM
@user41805 hm, if the source can't have , is there any way to ever print a ? (of course, this does not impact turing completeness, but still is an interesting question)
(a more general question being, is there any way to get a character that's not in the original source)
(related - a previous discussion, but just about golfing the challenge)
 
 
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8:36 PM
i'm pretty sure i have a turing-complete set of 8 characters that does not include , and , but haven't finished an implementation
 

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