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8:00 PM

(BQN happens to use pretty much the same type model as dzaima/APL, except me having named simple scalars "primitives" and functions not being under those, though the change was very simple)

@Marshall have you considered unifying functions, modifiers & compositions? i.e. modifiers and compositions are just functions called monadically/dyadically, and their result is interpreted as a function

probably rather pointless, but still a possibility

ngn

8:21 PM

@dzaima responding to a message from 2018? :)

dzaima

@ngn randomly thought of it

Avi F. S.

@ngn Haha +←1

dzaima

(still don't like BQN's ⊏⊐⊑⊒ - ∊ and ⊐, while being extremely related, are swapped in direction (at least their args are swapped too; maybe use ∍?), and < and ⊑, while "pointing the same", are pretty opposite)

another idea for reduces - ´ is the vector-only sane version, and ⊘ is the conjunction version of it, with 𝕘 being the axis. Wastes a lot of potential of ´ but worth thinking about imo

Adám

8:47 PM

@dzaima Why do you need axis if you have the Rank operator?

dzaima

@Adám ´ would only work on vectors in that version, so rank wouldn't work in general unless you use 2 or something

ngn

9:15 PM

@dzaima how was jani?

dzaima

@ngn about what i expected. from what i assumed was implied i assumed i'd be gone for way longer, but here i am ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

dzaima

9:34 PM

@Adám (they form a single sound (it's something like the only occurrence of 2 consonants together being different than just the separate sounds after each other in latvian, but it's still 2 letters afaik))

Adám

@dzaima OK, maybe in Latvian they are considered two letters, but other languages consider them one. Historically they correspond to a single Cyrillic letter. How would you sort them?

dzaima

@Adám just the same as the 2 letters (and whenever i am, i am indeed sorted in together with the rest names starting with d)

Feeds

Q: Creating a textual copy of the apl language bar

I would like to embed a picture of the Dyalog APL language bar into text and PowerPoint material. How can I do that? It would be nice to be able to select and paste it.

Wezl

"APLers don't die; they just become another operator"source

Marshall

@dzaima I've thought about it (BQN2NGN pretty much works this way), but I don't think I can make the correspondence between 𝕨𝕩 and 𝕗𝕘 make sense.

dzaima

9:43 PM

@Marshall make sense as in explain why they exist?

Marshall

@dzaima The issue is a monadic function only uses 𝕩 but a modifier only uses 𝕗. Do you reverse the inputs for operators? That would be really unpleasant to work with.

dzaima

@Marshall Right, that'd indeed be weird

Feeds

Q: Creating a textual copy of the apl language bar

I would like to embed a picture of the Dyalog APL language bar into text and PowerPoint material. How can I do that? It would be nice to be able to select and paste it.

apl dyalog

dzaima

@Feeds um you did that already :p

Adám

@Feeds OK, we heard you. Go back to sleep!

ngn

9:50 PM

@Adám only macedonian still uses "ѕ" ("dze"). latvia has never used cyrillic, has it?

Avi F. S.

@Feeds Why did the feed start being active all of a sudden?

How does it do that?

Adám

@AviF.S. See here.

Avi F. S.

CMC: If a feed is pinged in the middle of cyberspace, does it make a sound?

dzaima

@AviF.S. it posts all new SO questions with the apl tag. It isn't however supposed to post twice

Adám

@dzaima Ah, maybe because of the two feeds. One is apl-or-dyalog from SO, the other is apl from all of SE. I thought SO wasn't part of the SE feed though.

Avi F. S.

9:56 PM

Correction:

CMC: If a feed is pinged and there's no computer to detect it, does it make a sound?

dzaima

@Adám ah, that's possible. I assume it's been configured this way for a while though?

Adám

Yeah.

Wezl

@AviF.S. Wouldn't there necessarily be a computer involved for that to happen?

Adám

Maybe @Feeds is trying to imply that Ray only needs one more upvote before he can start chatting here.

dzaima

@AviF.S. i imagine there just being some poor server somewhere receiving all the pings to Feeds :p

Avi F. S.

9:58 PM

@Wezl Haha, true! Was just a joke :)

@dzaima Haha, same!!

Adám

@dzaima Someone is sleeping on a chair next to it, wakes up due to the sound, so they can click the dismiss circle in order to prevent an overflow from accumulating.

dzaima

exploring other negative-ID users, wow SE had special handling for displaying dice rolls (those aren't pictures!)

Wezl

@dzaima +←?6

Adám

@Wezl I miss the bot. It could do that.

Avi F. S.

10:25 PM

@Wezl Favorite text ever!!