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room topic changed to SE Podcast Live Chat: livestream.com/stackexchange / Next Episode: Tuesday 8/2 @ 4:00pm EDT w/ Miguel De Icaza
 
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17:53
@Mvy Yes.
 
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18:59
Some more smooth jazz to get us started today
oh, heh. today is podcast day.
Nice to know all the employees are on the ball
19:19
@RebeccaChernoff I know, why didn't someone tell my boss he couldn't schedule a meeting at 4:00?
19:30
You're kidding! Miguel! Here?! Today?!
my my my
he's my childhood hero
Oh cool
@dan
childhood hero, how old are you??
:>
@Factor 19
well, childhood spans
whoo, podcaaaaast
19:47
oh
@Dan I was hoping you were old and this was some kind of time travel scenario
:>
been watching mono since I was 14
sam was trying to make it look like @AlexMiller was wearing them
but there's a five-second lag so it was annoying to keep adjusting
I prefer the look of a microphone stabbing through his head
Jin
Jin
this is funky music
Who said radio is dead, the live podcast still keep commercials
19:54
it's like a fractal!
quiz: what's the title of the book on Joel/Alex desks?
Jin
Jin
@AgentConundrum podcastception.. we need to go deeper.
Herbie Hancock!
"Cantaloupe Island" is a jazz standard composed by Herbie Hancock. It was first recorded on his 1964 album Empyrean Isles. It was one of the first examples of a modal jazz composition set to a funky beat. It was sampled by the group Us3 on their song "Cantaloop (Flip Fantasia)", and furthermore has been used as bumper music (or button) on National Public Radio. Versions have been recorded by many artists, including Pat Metheny, Jean-Luc Ponty, Tanghetto, Jack DeJohnette and Milton Nascimento and TheBigMasterFunk. Yonderboi has a (short) cover version of this song. "Cantaloupe Island" ...
@systempuntoout I see at least four books
licensing this must be expensive ;-)
19:55
Chaos Reading List Book 1 - Dale Carnegie, "How To Win Friends and Influence People"
@MichaelMrozek mmm, the one with white front cover with a bottom red stripe
@JoelSpolsky yep, that one.
It would be awesome if the video was embedded over there ----->
You could even canabalize the chat history, affix the video in place, scroll the chat around it.
@VxJasonxV I solved this power through overkill with four monitors.
we kinda looked at that, but trying to find somewhere that it would fit (given screen size constraints) and work reasonably on different browsers...
@Mana Would you care to donate a few and some USB -> DVI/HDMI adapters for me and my MacBook Pro? :)
CMP
CMP
20:01
Any other streaming sources besides livestream? Its blocked at my work.
:( ooufph.
we would have a: a very small view, and b: a lot of re-hackery to fit it in
If you're running Windows 7 you can have the chat window and the video align next to eachother by pressing Win+ArrowLeft and Win+ArrowRight
on each window respectively
CMP
CMP
That is a great trick!
@MarcGravell What's wrong with eating into the sidebar? Enabling scroll on it for the sake of the stared/pinned lines?
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20:02
Thanks @JimWallace
That's probably my favorite feature of Win7
@Mana Same
Joel is really quiet.
Whee chat
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Oh, cool you can use Win+UpArrow to maxamize and Win+Down (twice) to minimize
20:04
Miguel sounded fine.
@Brant Exactly the way we like it ^_^
Hey-oooo!
@AlexMiller Turn @JoelSpolsky down a little more, we can still hear him
3
They weren't mixing sound during the muzak?
Can anyone concentrate on mixing sound while smooth jazz is playing?
20:05
no
@AgentConundrum Mine's fine.
Oh wait, there it goes.
Hah, "good enough aud"
Gone for me.
20:05
I'm losing the video too.
It just froze for a while but now back.
@GraceNote You're like 5 seconds ahead of me
@MichaelMrozek Isn't that always the case?
@MichaelMrozek This explains a lot.
Possibly. Normally as long as I can hear anything I'm excited
20:07
Curse-based?
I didn't know Miguel wrote Midnight Commander -- I love that program
curses is a terminal control library for Unix-like systems, enabling the construction of text user interface (TUI) applications. The name is a pun on the term “cursor optimization”. It is a library of functions that manage an application's display on character-cell terminals (e.g., VT100). Overview The curses API is described in several places. Most implementations of curses use a database that can describe the capabilities of thousands of different terminals. There are a few implementations, such as PDCurses, which use specialized device drivers rather than a terminal database. Most i...
@GraceNote curses
Does anybody in the office look at you guys weird when you're recording these podcasts? I would think it would be a challenge to not dress up like a chicken and dance in the background...
Whoops
Oh. Quite literally, curses based.
20:08
GNU Midnight Commander (mc) is a free cross-platform orthodox file manager and a clone of Norton Commander originally created by Miguel de Icaza. Midnight Commander is licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Design Midnight Commander is a console application with a text user interface. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. It is used in a similar way to many other programs run in the Unix shell. Arrow keys control file selection, the insert key is used to select files and the Function Keys perform operations such as renaming, editin...
Audio nerd alert! :)
@DanielSerodio Foiled again.
@JeffAtwood nice pix :)
pico is on OS X
(the editor from PINE)
20:09
@BradWilson So many buttons I could press...
some of those buttons even work sometimes!
@MichaelMyers sorry, what?
@DanielSerodio Hokey smoke!
@Joel "the trouble is, humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things that are worst for them" -- Albus Dumbledore
They replaced it? I didn't even know there was a difference
20:15
Are things imploding? I'm afraid to refresh
It's like the mechanical station preset buttons on old-timey car radios!
@MichaelMrozek Yes. You must pilot your browser into the singularity to save the universe.
@MichaelMyers The singularity is exploding!
glares at everyone speaking right now and explodes
questions for miguel?
20:18
I don't know if there's anything I hate more in modern Windows/Mac than their efforts to hide the filesystem such that I never know where anything is
@JoelSpolsky I'd like to ask how he got the new company off the ground, did he take VC, etc.
Oh, wow... Midnight Commander was the first file manager I ever used. It's been... 20 years? wow.
can't have been that long. Must just seem like it.
@Shog9 For me, it was XTree.
XTree is a file manager software originally designed for use under DOS. It was published by Executive Systems and first released on 1 April 1985, and became highly popular. Although the user interface was composed of text characters, it had many elements typically associated with a graphical user interface, especially when XTreeGold was released in 1989, and pull-down menus were introduced. The program filled a required niche in the market, as DOS shipped with only a command-line file manager, until the generally unsuccessful DOS shell that was provided with MS-DOS 4.0. Even at this p...
ah xtree!
I haven't been using computers that long
20:20
ROBOT MODE ENGAGE
@AlexMiller the sounds is really bad. Are you looking into it?
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@AlexMiller We can see you slacking in real time
Okay, they're gesturing wildly, they know now
It's always livestream :)
20:24
can we get miguel to repeat what he said? ;)
chrisntr: howdy sir
This is that part
is it better now?
20:25
.....
I think we got the point across.
It's much better. The robots didn't sound like robots at all before.
What's amazing is I've been involved with live Windows Media web casts for almost 8 years and have never had issues like this. 9 out of 10 tech podcasts are plagued with production issues.
I like how the population of Android Hell just spiked to the highest it's ever been.
20:26
still Max Headroom here [Italy]
haha, that is pretty funny
it's understandable if you listen closely (:
@AgentConundrum Supposedly, it isn't. Otherwise I imagine they'd've noticed
If you change the quality you can adjust the pitch of the robot effect
im going to kill the livestream and restart
20:26
18 mins ago, by Jeff Atwood
user image
Flip all the switches!
@RebeccaChernoff That's like saying the fire is warmer if you put your hands in it
we'll be back in a second
@GraceNote (:
Emergency Temporal Shift!
20:27
Miguel you must tweet everything you say
ZOMG!!! LIVESTREAM IS DOWN!!!! ;p
@AlexMiller Feel free to wait until my teleconference is over to continue.
oh noooooooooooo
much better!!
Jin
Jin
so it's Deadstream?
20:28
yay
glad its better!
Who let Punyon touch the buttons on the board there? ):
@RebeccaChernoff punyon isnt allowed to touch
the Fonzie touch on mixer worked like a charm
--with-bugs
20:30
and for anyone who missed those parts, don't worry, we captured everything here in great quality so it will be available tomorrow when we publish the recording
I'm going to make the room "I hate all of you". All messages will be moved there; no exceptions
Haha, didn't they talk about this on the last Miguel De Icaza visit?
Question for Miguel: you seem like a really productive guy; can you come to our Productivity site and tell all the slackers there how to be more like you?
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resists urge to post xkcd
20:34
Heheh
...gahahaha
I always suspected that was the answer. We can shut down Prod.SE now
Unix & Linuxunix.stackexchange.com

Launched Q&A site for advanced users of Linux, FreeBSD and other Un*x-like operating systems.

@MichaelMrozek Yes, vote for that site - it'd be really cool. Almost as good as that Ubuntu site.
maybe it's miguel. when i had him on my show we had a ton of technical problems too ;)
20:35
@Shog9 So close
Jin
Jin
check out its meta too: meta.bicycles.stackexchange.com
bicycles is hot off the presses (:
Niiice.
I want to ride my bicycle
20:36
@JohnSheehan lol, way to throw him under the bus.
@Jin I prefer being punched in the face with cyan; you don't get that on meta
52
Q: What is the meaning of CHAOS? Is it related to the PSI (Ψ) character?

Joel SpolskyI've seen a number of users with a PSI character in their names doing strange mysterious things on some Stack Exchange sites. What does it all mean?

Yay! Talking about pitchforks
Miguel compiled new version of MT while he was offline
20:37
pokes everyone with a pitchfork
Joel should tell us about any recent hires. ALL about them
Bicycles is all pretty.
@MichaelMrozek Hey, hey, hey
@MichaelMrozek A bonus guest perhaps
20:38
@AgentC We are the poor bastards.
If there were any hires of importance, there'd be a blog post. Do you see a blog post?
@GraceNote Unless the person they hired was a ninja...
@GraceNote Yes. It keeps flip flopping on pronouns
@GraceNote They gave rchern a blog post...
20:39
Better edit: one change, removing duplicate question mark from the end.
Gah. She's everywhere
@MichaelMrozek The Community team sees all.
@AgentConundrum no
I question this research
> How do you conduct a study where you only need one resultset?
20:42
"How do I plz help! urgent! ! ?"
Needs spaces between the punctuation marks
People don't know what they want.
X sucks, amirite?
Where is Miguel? Is it over?
W00t? Miguel is still there!
20:44
"What are trigraphs and what is ??!??!?"
How will I post silly bug reports on Meta then?
"In a previous life, I worked at Delaware" is only 40 characters long, and "You got your double-encoded space in my tooltip!" is only 48. :(
> problem causes error ! ? : title says it tall
"Why does OAuth 1.0a suck so hard?"
[tag:citation-needed]
I propose "n00b"
universally understood
20:46
@JeffAtwood "This post needs cleanup, but I'm too lazy to do it"?
I'm so disappointed that [tag:n00b] doesn't exist on SO
Back to subject finally
ugh!
TMI
Too much information
20:48
the oversharing portion of the episode.
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@JoelSpolsky AWESOME. Just Awesome.
And then Jeff called Joel "baby" 5 seconds later. It was a double-whammy of pain
Tell us when the newsletters get sent out
The answer is CONTINUOUSLY
these links are seemless
Coming soon from StackExchange: Playdates 2.0! Find the perfect playmate! Import your GitHub profile!
@MichaelMrozek I want the latest Stack Exchange news injected straight into my brain. STOP TRYING TO HINDER PROGRESS.
20:49
@AgentConundrum From Server Fault, you mean?
newslaters
That question had more favorites than upvotes, which is insane.
Let's see who'll correct him on the MultiCollider
@JoelSpolsky StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™
Is MultiCollider not trademarked?
20:51
@AgentConundrum Just post the link on its own without anything else in the message
Just paste the URL by itself
@MichaelMrozek That would just be silly.
That question is as classic as any dailyWTF / tech support horror story, excellent
...I'm so happy he just said that
I didn't know about the tagged questions.
20:53
@MichaelMrozek what did he just say? i was afk
@AarthiDevanathanΨ Miguel said something like "if you made the front page like reddit I would be there all the time"
Rarely does a podcast go by without Jeff criticizing reddit
@MichaelMrozek ahhh i see. doesn't he prefer the HackerNews format?
What Jeff just said sounds sort of like the Chemistry.com chapter from this book: amazon.com/Numerati-Stephen-Baker/dp/0618784608
I turn my ear away a moment and now they're on about Romance Novels
@GraceNote and joel's love of brit chick lit
20:55
@GraceNote clearly they need you to keep them in line. you were hired in the nick of time.
@JimmySawczuk That sounds like the kind of thing that would permanently terrify me if I read it
Whew… thought he was dissing brit chick lit for a moment.
I think i've just created the newest hit literary category
@Dori them woulda been fightin' words.
bromance novels
20:56
@AbbyTMillerΨ Why would I want people to not read Romance novels?
@AlexMiller I WOULD BUY THEM ALL
spiders and mushrooms. Obviously, Joel needs a lot more spiders and mushrooms. @GraceNote!
@Dori negative, he's got a major love of Kinsella
@AbbyTMillerΨ Exactly!
@AlexMiller i would even read them on dead trees and not o nkindle
20:56
@MichaelMrozek It was good. If they spent any more than one chapter on the NSA, it'd have been terrifying. But there was only one, and a lot of it was speculative.
@AarthiDevanathanΨ @GraceNote loves brit chick lit too?
@AbbyTMillerΨ THIS XINFINITY
It's more along the lines of marketing analytics
They do sell comics on digital paper now
"Do I use half-inch bolts or three-quarter inch when mounting my child on the bike?"
20:56
@Dori I haven't read British Chick Lit
A bromance is a close but non-sexual relationship between two (or more) men, a form of homosocial intimacy. Etymology Bromance is a portmanteau of the words bro or brother and romance. Editor Dave Carnie coined the term in the skateboard magazine Big Brother in the 1990s to refer specifically to the sort of relationships that develop between skaters who spent a great deal of time together. Characteristics The modern nature and circumstances of bromance are what separate it from more general homosocial practices and historic romantic friendships. Aristotle's classical description...
Similar to how Google does it. Based on which questions they open or answer. you can build a profile on what questions the users look at and what tags they frequent.
this is onthebrod, a retelling of Kerouac's On The Road... but for bros:
What site did he mumble there? I missed it.
20:58
Freelancers.se — still in private beta
Still in private beta :(
@Dori Bah
Not for long if this goes through.
168
Christianity

Proposed Q&A site for committed Christians, experts in Christianity and those interested in learning more.

Currently in commitment.

164
Biblical Hermeneutics

Proposed Q&A site for professors, theologians, authors, and anybody else interested in an exegetical understanding of the meaning and proper application of the Christian scriptures.

Currently in commitment.

> Christianity: How oarsome is Jesus? He was a carpenter, yes?
You can see some of the current Freelancers questions here: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/11624?phase=beta#tab-top
21:00
"What are the main differences between the Catholic and Protestant faiths?" One rocks, the other sucks! *
Takeaway: vote the heck out of that second thing Michael linked to.
The Trinity is a Carrie-Anne Moss
@Shog9 Sadly, no more voting; it's only taking commitments now.
damnit @random oof.
21:01
Then it sounds like time to commit
@Dori Which is kind of the problem; proposals don't die, they just eek along until they scrape enough commiters
@Dori Whatever. Sock-puppet commit the heck out of it then.
Effectively, the SE format is for a definitive, short answer?
If you're into Hermeneutics
@MichaelMrozek Proposals with >30 days with no activity are subject to deletion.
21:02
Wow, I haven't crossed off that square ("Joel tells an army story") on my StackOverflow Podcast Bingo card for years.
Ooh boy, too many emails
Just forward them all to one place
Two? I have like 97
No one-boxing? For shame
@MichaelMrozek that you check? I have a ton too, but they forward to two inboxes
21:05
It didn't onebox when balpha posted it, either
Yeah, what's the deal with that new Mozilla SSO dealybob?
@GraceNote Damn it
@JimmySawczuk I check 9, and 1 is a catch-all for my domain. So technically I check infinity
Never heard of this before
"Windows CardSpace"
21:06
@balpha - one boxing for blogs is a whitelist right?
@AgentConundrum lost it long ago
ROBOTS
uh oh
Yay robots.
21:06
Robot 2: Revenge of the Robots
@GraceNote ARGH!
oh no
Oh boy
AHH! ROBOTS!
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ROBOTS ARE BACK
21:06
EX-TERMINATE
@AlexMiller, ^^
darth vader returns
@Alex, haaaaaaaaaaalp
@JeffAtWood is cyloning
to force choke our ears
21:07
Oh oy... this laughing is hurting too much...
Time to reboot the livestream again
well its ending
so, no rebooting
ill take a look at it for next week
21:07
@KevinMontrose yeah, and you need the parsers as well. I've been thinking about hacking in something with the rss feed, if a blog has one, but that's... meh
Get SE to roll their own live stream host
What it sounds like when the daleks go to the break room and chat
@balpha - yeah, it really just needs to one box stuff on blogoverflow.
@KevinMontrose Doesn't it?
21:10
don't know offhand, just that blog.so works
Gaming's got a feeds user that posts our blog in there, and we're on Blog Overflow now, it looked like it was working
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
@GraceNote is that just using rss/atom?
haha
@MarcGravell It's just a Feeds user as far as I know
farewell, robot overlords
21:13
@MarcGravell gaming.blogoverflow.com/feed is what it uses
21:27
Hi booo yaa grace
22:02
@GraceNote good point, I should update the url

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