SE Podcast

Alex Miller

15:35

room topic changed to SE Podcast Live Chat: livestream.com/stackexchange / Next Episode: Tuesday 7/19 @ 4:00pm EDT w/ Patrick McKenzie & @ 5:00pm w/ Jin Yang

Michael Mrozek

17:27

@AlexMiller Double podcast? What craziness is this

Alex Miller

17:44

We're pretaping for next week because Jeff will be on vacation

Patrick McKenzie

18:58

Hideho guys.

Anonymous

The stream is up well in advance. Is that typical?

Alex Miller

Indeed

Patrick McKenzie

Ooh, that is some sexy, sexy Ajax effect on this chat stuff.

Alex Miller

So Patrick - where exactly are you?

Patrick McKenzie

Gifu Prefecture, Japan

Alex Miller

19:00

and what time is it there?

Patrick McKenzie

You know how we're supposedly good at not saying impolite things here?

Alex Miller

haha

Patrick McKenzie

"Oh look at that, I am totally incapable of reading the clock right now."

Seriously though, 4 AM.

Alex Miller

ah - well we greatly appreciate you adapting your already crazy programmer sleep schedule for us

Patrick McKenzie

Don't worry about it, though, for you guys I'll stay up until whenever.

Alex Miller

19:01

actually, since you're here, ill do the test call now

Patrick McKenzie

One sec

OK, should be good for it at your convenience

Alex Miller

k

M'vy

Hi there

Oh yeah smooth Jazz

Two hour of podcast today?

Alex Miller

yep - its a special double up

Brant

19:22

ooh, when does it start?

NB: I refuse to read the room description

Anonymous

38 minutes and counting, haha.

Anonymous

then continuing for two action-packed back-to-back hours!

Jimmy Sawczuk

/me pauses iPod to listen to elevator music

Brant

I hear ping-pong

Carson Myers

oooh, I've never seen it live before

Patrick McKenzie

19:32

Going to go AFKoffee for a moment.

Anonymous

Does Livestream frequently go up to 400% CPU usage for anyone else? (I'm on OS X.)
It doesn't constantly use that much, but often does; other streaming services don't behave this poorly.

Michael Pereira

19:44

I'm on OSX too, but I don't see any Livestream process in the Activity Monitor or Chrome Task Manager

Patrick McKenzie

Back from the coffee run.

Got to love 24 hour supermarkets.

The clerk thought I was impaired due to amount of expresso-fueled bouncy energy I had, which either bodes very well or very poorly for the podcast.

Anonymous

It's actually driving up the kernel_task process; it might be due to my hard drive being damaged or something, but Livestream is making it worse than anything else.

Anonymous

@Patrick Oh, you're patio11! I'm so unused to reading your real name. Looking forward to the podcast, you always have insightful things to say. :)

Patrick McKenzie

Oh, hideho.

I've actually had people call me patio11 in conversation this year.

That weirds me out a wee bit.

Especially when its like "Hey patio11 you should try this blueberry muffin, it is tasty." (happened at a conference)

Jin

@PatrickMcKenzie people from twitter call me jizzy.

Tim Stone

19:57

shakes head

Patrick McKenzie

Is there any way I can silence the noise it makes when someone @replies me?

That is jarring and would be unfortunate during the actual interview portion.

Tim Stone

The little speaker up toward the top right (above the room title).

Patrick McKenzie

Thanks @TimStone

Rebecca Chernoff

@PatrickMcKenzie top right, click the speaker icon to the left or 'all rooms'...what everyone else said >_<

Carson Myers

it looks like they're talking but I still hear music.. is that just me?

Michael Mrozek

20:03

@CarsonMyers I hear something; I don't know if I'd call it music

Carson Myers

@Michael okay, but it hasn't started?

Shog9

I am diggin' this organ jazz

Michael Mrozek

As far as I know

Carson Myers

@Shog9 I don't normally listen to jazz but it's kinda relaxing

Patrick McKenzie

We're working through some technical issues out.

Shog9

20:06

snaps fingers

Michael Myers

I only came for the jazz.

Patrick McKenzie

I'm going to be too busy grooving to talk.

Michael Mrozek

I got out of a meeting late and assumed I'd missed important things. I really should've known better

Carson Myers

That's a pretty fancy setup for a weekly podcast

splattne

Now playing: Blues And Tonic (Jack McDuff)

Carson Myers

20:11

most radio booths I've seen on TV are way less modern than this

splattne

(says Shazam)

Michael Mrozek

They should leave the echo thing on all the time

M'vy

jazz pls?

Joel Spolsky

podcast number please?

Shog9

Oh good, they are going to talk over the jazz

Michael Mrozek

20:12

Why hear something once when you can hear it 14 times?

Shog9

I would have been really bummed if the jazz had stopped

Michael Mrozek

@JoelSpolsky This is #12

Shog9

DAMMIT

pmn

sounds crunchy

Michael Mrozek

The audio is...beyond terrible

Shog9

20:13

Ugh. It's skype-quality

HedgeMage

No, skype doesn't always have the skippy-echoey thing, and rarely both at the same time.

Jonathan Yee

Seems to be getting better?

no, still skippy

Shog9

Shoulda used Monster Cable

pmn

blow in the holes, that always works for me

BradC

remove the cartridge, then blow on the contacts.

Anonymous

20:15

That sounded less terrible.

Joel Spolsky

watch your language!

HedgeMage

grins

Carson Myers

it sounds clearer to me now

HedgeMage

it sounds better here, too

BradC

its not THAT bad

Tim Pietzcker

20:17

Yup, much better.

HedgeMage

@JoelSpolsky it's better now just go with it 'til it dies again

Michael Mrozek

Whatever knob you spun, spin it 500% in the other direction

HedgeMage

That will only get all the people from the Amateur Radio proposal to mock your CB-talk :P

Rebecca Chernoff

this is some awesome reality tv (;

Carson Myers

why can't they talk over each other?

BradC

20:19

good, for some values of "good"

Andy Davies

first time watching podcast rather than listening too later!

Anonymous

because their lines aren't being recorded separately, so they can't edit it out. I think.

Andy Davies

any news on why blog.stackoverflow.com is down?

Tim Stone

If this doesn't work, can we break out the paper cups and long spool of string?

Carson Myers

oh okay

Michael Mrozek

20:20

@AndyDavies I was just wondering if it was a local problem

Rebecca Chernoff

we know it is down.

Joel Spolsky

can you guys even hear us?

Anonymous

@JoelSpolsky Yes.

Adam Flanagan

yep

Andy Davies

@RebeccaChernoff ok thanks

splattne

20:22

SEO = Stack Exchange Optimization

BradC

how about just "foo-ing the bar" instead of "how do I foo the bar"?

(as a titleing strategy)

Anonymous

apple.stackexchange.com/posts/16170/revisions

Abby T. Miller

"Let me check the Googles" is something I hear frequently.

Carson Myers

I hear them just referred to as "the internet" more often

Aarthi Devanathan

I learned it from you, @Abby

Brant

20:26

You mean people use "The Googles" non-ironically?

Michael Mrozek

My dad doesn't know a distinction between Google and "the Internet" in general

I finally taught him the difference between AOL and IE, which was a big win

I like the hub propped up right there. We can watch SEI traffic in real time

Carson Myers

@Micheal look! That light that just blinked! That was me!

Michael Myers

@CarsonMyers -1 for misspelling "Michael"; +1 for not accidentally pinging every Michael in the room (currently three of us).

Carson Myers

@MichaelMyers and +1 to you for possessing the sacred surname

Abby T. Miller

I wish they had flags.

Michael Myers

20:32

@CarsonMyers With no extra 'e'! o/\o

Abby T. Miller

Then it'd be a real parade.

Aarthi Devanathan

ita, they shouldn't stop. It's more fun this way.

Michael Mrozek

It worries me that Jeff hasn't tweeted anything yet; is he actually paying complete attention this week?

Carson Myers

@MichaelMyers it's a curse, it's always misspelled

@AbbyTMiller They need a SE office flag, which comes in fridge magnet and lapel pin form

Abby T. Miller

@CarsonMyers: I'd fly one from my car antenna!

Michael Mrozek

20:38

Well of course they weren't lighting anyone on fire while he was there

Aarthi Devanathan

or have they lapsed? DUN DUN DUN

Carson Myers

The internet is now a country, and Google is the immigration department

2

Shog9

HOW TO C#???

HOW DO I SEO GOOGLE???

Abby T. Miller

how is babby formed

howtogrillsteak.com

Shog9

Boiling corn on the cob is disgusting.

Carson Myers

20:43

dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com

Brant

What.

Michael Mrozek

> -205 days until Christmas!

Well done

Jimmy Sawczuk

There's an ad for ispysanta.com, the concept of which is more than a little scary.

Shog9

Now I want some baking ammonia

Joel Spolsky

@Brant those are lyrics to a song

Brant

20:46

@JoelSpolsky Oh. Okay, that's way less creepy. I thought Google had... interesting ideas about what I'd be interested in.

Anonymous

There is no step 3.

Anonymous

AnyAsq: I'm a technical lead on the Google+ team. Ask me anything.

Anonymous

IAmA co-founder of Stack Exchange and Fog Creek Software, Joel Spolsky (reddit)

Tom H.

What is the ask website they are talking about?

Shog9

Blaming threading for stupid reddit users: WIN!

Michael Mrozek

20:54

When Jeff says things like "reddit pun threads get in the way of the information" I wonder if he understands that little to no real information exists on reddit

Anonymous

You can collapse threads.

Michael Mrozek

He's wading through the random chatter looking for the nugget of information, not realizing that the entire site is comprised of solely random chatter

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Ah, but see... You need to read all the way to the bottom of the thread to know that.

Michael Mrozek

@Shog9 I know that going in

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Are you sure redditors don't just heavily down-vote anything remotely intelligent?

Michael Mrozek

20:55

I usually read the downvoted posts too. I can't stop myself

Shog9

1 min ago, by Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Ah, but see... You need to read all the way to the bottom of the thread to know that.

Carson Myers

Is that for unregistered users?

Joel Spolsky

Brant

Everyone knows who Jon Skeet is, even if they don't know it yet.

Michael Myers

@JoelSpolsky How do you control for the quality of the post?

Tim Stone

21:09

Ahh static.

Brant

Bzzzzz

Jonathan Yee

Joel, you sound pretty bad right now.

Rebecca Chernoff

@AlexMiller, super static.

Anonymous

Only Joel.

HedgeMage

@MichaelMyers I don't think you need to -- that influences whether we'll upvote them, and whether we want them back, but isn't likely to change the effect of our votes on whether they come back.

Yay Jin :)

Brant

21:12

BREAKING: StackExchange team admits to recycling podcasts

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Dori

@Brant We're green!

HedgeMage

rofl

Michael Myers

@HedgeMage It just seems to me that the kind of person who is willing to put in enough effort for a good answer on their first try is likely to hang around a bit longer anyway.

Rebecca Chernoff

yay @Jin (:

Tim Stone

\o/

HedgeMage

21:14

@MichaelMyers I'm not sure that's true. My first Stack post was so bad it got deleted, yet here I am.

Carson Myers

Is it gonna be another skype call?

HedgeMage

(My second post was a link-laden tome, but it was months later.)

Carson Myers

My first post was on a code-golf question, and I posted anonymously

Alex Miller

Hey guys - let us know if you have any questions for Jin

he's on here thanks to your requests - so let us know what you want to hear

Carson Myers

no, not code golf, it was about making a small binary

Tim Stone

21:16

@AlexMiller I just want a list of all his bacon recipes.

Joel Spolsky

Can you hear us again?

Brant

Yup

HedgeMage

yep

Tim Stone

Barely, the volume is much lower it seems.

Carson Myers

@JoelSpolsky yep

Tim Stone

21:17

Oh, that might be Chrome misbehaving again..

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone disagree

Tim Stone

It is

What the hell Chrome and/or Windows audio mixer |:

HedgeMage

Skype mutes my mic whenever I receive a chat message, so I have to sit there with alsamixer open on calls :o

M'vy

Jin ♦, Washington, DC

2k 1 3 19

Oh and there is a photo too :P

Beware the designer

FreshCode

Joel kinda sounds like Howard Stern on a mic.

Joel Spolsky

21:20

that's not him

Rebecca Chernoff

@Mvy That's not Jin.

M'vy

oh really?

Oh yes

I inverted up and down label :P

Kevin Montrose

Jin is purple IRL

M'vy

XD

HedgeMage

Wow, I'm so glad you guys didn't pick my pic apart like this :p

Shog9

21:21

@HedgeMage Wait 'til you go on the podcast...

HedgeMage

hides

Brant

Binary?

Carson Myers

Can a local variable's memory be accessed outside its scope?!

Jeff Martin

waaa? no boiling corn?

Brant

How do I boil corn on the cob?

vs.

10

Q: How To Tell When Corn is Done With Boiling

When boiling corn, how can I tell when it's done? I usually remove the husk and silk. Would there be any advantage to leaving them on when boiling?

boiling cooking-time corn

Joel Spolsky

21:32

anyone have design questions for @jzy

Stefano Palazzo

@JoelSpolsky mention the new security.se design, it looks fantastic (also they deserve a plug)

Brant

How do you maintain 30(?) designs (with all their associated layout bugs, changes necessary to support new features, etc) without going completely insane?

M'vy

Doesn't he want to name that Lion by the way?

XD

Carson Myers

How much involvement does a SE community have in the design? Is it just final tweaks or are there a few candidates that get voted on?

Jin

8164.org/designing-area51

Jeff Martin

21:36

i have seen designers do this when applying for a job before.

FreshCode

@Joel & @Jin - fully agree on applying for The Job and not A Job. Wrote a post about it - freshcode.co/post/How-to-apply-for-The-Job.aspx and quoted Joel from his Careers 2.0 post - blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/02/careers-2-0-launches

Jeff Martin

what does the 8164 represent?

Jin

8164.org/about

Jeff Martin

nice thanks

M'vy

Everything is in control :P

Performance as a feature

Brant

21:44

This American Life: NUMMI

M'vy

Well you saw my logo proposition :D

More basic is void :P

Tim Stone

It still bothers me that the search box shifts one pixel between Meta and Stack Overflow.

Jin

it does?

M'vy

XD

1px?

Tim Stone

@Jin Yeah, the Meta search box is just slightly to the left.

Carson Myers

21:46

So it is

Brant

Hmm, it does.

M'vy

You don't want me as a designer :P

trully

Tim Stone

I think that Meta has a right padding or margin of 2px up there somewhere, and Stack Overflow only has 1px.

FreshCode

yeah, I've given Jin loads of flak about SE designs :) He always takes it well.

Rebecca Chernoff

Go ahead and fix it Jin. I'll prepare a post whining about moving my cheese.

Tim Stone

21:48

Well, you didn't let me whine properly about the other bug, so I had to move on to something else. ;)

M'vy

What is he talking about? How is it called?

Brant

It's a CSS-esque language that compiles to CSS

FreshCode

LESS

lesscss.org

Rebecca Chernoff

It isn't just site designs, now we're making @Jin deal with blog themes too. (:

Tim Stone

Yeah, those are coming along quite nicely too.

Heh, I thought about asking that but I didn't want to bring it up.

M'vy

21:52

Is there plan to make blog work on SE architecture? Could be easier for design I guess?

Tim Stone

@Jin Of all of the reasonably stable betas that are floating around out there, which are you most excited about doing? Or do you just start thinking about them when they're up for graduation?

Jin

i start way ahead, as far as brtainstorming goes

user30

trainstorming!

FreshCode

Amen, Joel.

Brant

"But 10pt small-caps text looks so coooooool"

HedgeMage

21:58

Hey, I'm not yet 30 and sometimes I can't read the @#$% people design because it's too small!

FreshCode

ugh #aaa backgrounds with #333 text

Jeff Martin

anyone going to agile2011.agilealliance.org ?

Brant

ClearType Tuner (Windows 7 has it built-in)

HedgeMage

That sounds complicated... glad I run Linux.

user30

Designing UX Exchange

Jin

22:00

retinart.net < english site designer

FreshCode

the star-motif on UX SE still bugs me, so I tried to improve it, but I couldn't.

Brant

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Q: Design Ideas for Programmers Site [Closed]

Hi all. I'm Jin, and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflect its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

discussion design

Wow, that was a lot different.

M'vy

What does it feels to be responsible of having to make the best impression of sites like SE ? Is it a big constraint to have it right on the first release? Or does the community system of SE change a bit the rules since it can recommend changes and so?

Jin

minor changes were always made post launch

but not the overall design directions. (well, except for physics.se)

user30

Those feedback buttons are pretty jarring on programmers.se, compared to the other sites I've seen them on

Jin

22:11

which feedback butons?

user30

these ones

FreshCode

What's the company, Joel?

M'vy

On if it's on meta.SO? Is this meta-meta-meta-feedback?

Carson Myers

that desk is so cool

Jeff Martin

i wish my company had desks like that

Carson Myers

22:13

I gotta get me one

M'vy

Blogging is a job too :P

Carson Myers

what company makes them?

FreshCode

any SE events in South Africa?

M'vy

Or let's choose a random city an fly to !

Carson Myers

or Canada?

Alex Miller

22:15

nope

M'vy

ISS?

Rebecca Chernoff

@Mvy ha, we totally need a dev days there.

Carson Myers

@Mvy not without the shuttle

Anonymous

Will there be more videos this time? (AFAIK there were only a couple from previous years.)

M'vy

1st international in-space dev days :D

See ya all!

Thx again :P

Carson Myers

22:18

aw, now I have to get back to work :(

user30

jazz time

M'vy

Now I gonna get to sleep

Jeff Martin

back to turntable.fm

M'vy

Oh, @Jin : I just toss an idea -> we need a playable design for gaming.se :D

hides

user30

@Mvy There's supposed to be some lazers around the Ask Question button somewhere...

M'vy

22:20

@ThomasMcDonald Oh yes, that too XD

Jin

@ThomasMcDonald yeah..... /vanish

Tim Stone

Heheh

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