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2:07 AM
BTW I think the confusion with the "honorific" thing is that some people use the word "honorific" for everything, even ちゃん or whatever.
 
Anonymous
2:48 AM
Yay, I have 20k reputation! :-)
 
Anonymous
I feel reputable!
 
2:58 AM
Yeay!
I personally worry about having a high reputation. Because then I look like I supposedly know what I'm talking about, when I don't and regularly say incorrect things.
 
Anonymous
You can always bounty it off, then ;-)
 
ssb
3:36 AM
I wonder how accurate this list is in terms of necessity to learn:
 
Anonymous
Something tells me that page wasn't designed to be viewed on an iPhone
 
Anonymous
They have some particularly common ones . . . I see plenty I don't know, though
 
Anonymous
I think I know most of the most common ones
 
Anonymous
My study buddy is way into 四字熟語
 
Anonymous
Should I really know all of those?
 
3:55 AM
Heh, I hardly know any of those.
 
4:21 AM
I recognize some of them... but I tend to brush 四字熟語 off if I don't recognize them, so I wonder how many more I'd recognize if I already knew them.
 
 
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5:40 AM
@非回答者 Oh, so it's a little bit like "Is anyone home?". Thanks for explaining
How does ごめんください works when leaving another person's house?
> ... また、人と別れるときにも言う
Just like regular "Bye"?
On a totally unrelated note, people get super snobby whenever "cooking wine" is mentioned
Like "that stuff is nasty". "only cook with wine that you'll drink"
> extactly, can't trust those computers
yes, because NSA
 
6:28 AM
@3to5businessdays The biggest difference between the "hello-anybody-home-ごめんください" and the "good-bye-ごめんください" is that while the former is said by literally everybody even including toddlers and it is not considered a phrase for the more refined. It is a 100%-equal-opportunity type of greeting.
The good-bye kind, however, is used by the "better" or "more refined" speakers. Saying it would not necessarily make you look good if the other things you usually say do not match it in refinedness. Not too many young people, therefore, use the phrase -- at least not very often. They would say 失礼します/いたします instead for good-bye.
 
6:50 AM
just learned new word: キャッチコピー
和製英語makes me sick...
to those interested here's wiki page about it: ja.wikipedia.org/wikiキャッチコピー
 
 
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8:53 AM
On Meta Stack Overflow, they mention a Japanese Stack Overflow as "in progress" meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271998/…
 
 
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Anonymous
11:35 AM
I think 和製英語 is interesting, although sometimes it catches me off guard
 
Anonymous
Loanwords being repurposed across languages is totally normal and I don't see any reason to be judgmental about it...
 
Anonymous
It's not that uncommon to find people with strong feelings about loanwords. I've never quite understood why, though
 
I often misinterpret 和製英語
there was ガラス. Back then I was like, "What do you mean by broken grass?"
キャッチコピー、キャッチフレーズとは、主に商品や映画、作品等の広告など、何らかの告知や宣伝に用いられる文章、煽り文句である。 1文、1行程度のものから、数行に亘る物まで数多くのキャッチコピーがある。商品広告や宣伝においては、キャッチフレーズが商品の印象を決め、その出来不出来が商品自体の売れ行きすらをも左右する要因として重要視される。 キャッチコピーは和製英語で、正しくは "advertising slogan" もしくは "tagline(タグライン)" 。日本語では惹句とも呼ばれる。 職業としてキャッチコピーを創作する者をコピーライターという。 == 歴史 == 江戸時代には既に「引札」と呼ばれるチラシがあったが、そこに独創的な戯文を書いて耳目を集めることを始めたのは平賀源内であると言われる。後に多くの戯作者や狂歌師によって同様の宣伝文句が書かれるようになった。 江戸時代から3世代後の高度経済成長が果たされ消費社会が成熟すると、やがて広告は値段や性能などの製品の具体的長所を語ることだけでなく、もっと漠然としたイメージや時代の空気を表現することで消費者の共感を得ることを目指すようになった。開高健をはじめとし、糸井重里や川崎徹、仲畑貴志といった新しい世代が活躍し、コピーライターは人気の職業になった。 == 色々なキャッチコピー == === コーポレートスローガン ...
 
Anonymous
ガラス is from Portuguese
 
@Rilakkuma your link didn't parse correctly for some reason
yeah...
 
Anonymous
11:49 AM
Or wait
 
?
I often forget about non-English imported words
 
Anonymous
I thought it was from Portuguese, but it looks like it's actually from Dutch
 
Anonymous
Guess I misremembered :-)
 
Now, that won't do
How do you take N1 if you don't remember that :)
 
Anonymous
Heheh!
 
11:52 AM
Fried my first fish today
 
Anonymous
Congratulations!
 
Anonymous
Was it stinky?
 
Thanks. I think my sibling threw one away (there were 4)
Well it smelled like fish...
 
Anonymous
I think fried fish are aromatic
 
They were whole fish
 
Anonymous
11:54 AM
What sort of fish?
 
As opposed to fillets
I don't know the name... but it's quite tiny
mini fish
 
Anonymous
Mini fish! :-)
 
Might be mini pomfrets
well, the general shape looks the same...
So I tried a technique I found online that uses little oil (!?) for the first 2... didn't turn out that well
maybe the wok was too hot.
next I was like screw that, I'm just going to use the conventional way and use plenty of oil... not too sure how that turned out though, as I gave my sibling those 2
 
Anonymous
Ohh... I don't really know how to fry fish
 
Fillet (salmon mmmm...) is probably much easier
 
Anonymous
11:58 AM
I have a steam oven
 
steam... oven?
not baking oven?
 
Anonymous
Well, I have two ovens
 
must be nice
I missed having access to an oven
 
Anonymous
One is a convection oven, which is like a normal oven but with fans to circulate the air
 
Anonymous
The other is a steam oven, which is like a convection oven except with steam options
 
Anonymous
12:00 PM
The steam oven is pretty small
 
Do it have a pipe connecting to a tap or something?
 
Anonymous
It's really fun, though!
 
Anonymous
No, you have to fill its little water thing
 
ah
Is it microwave-sized?
 
Anonymous
It is microwave-sized
 
Anonymous
12:01 PM
I'll take pictures later! :-)
 
p/s: チーンする is "to microwave" right?
 
Anonymous
So I would try steaming the fish!
 
Anonymous
Yes but I think without ー is the basic word
 
Steamed fish is sooo good
 
Anonymous
チンする
 
Anonymous
12:02 PM
But it's the sound a microwave makes, チン
 
So you have steamed fish before?
 
Anonymous
〜〜をチンして食べる
 
Anonymous
Uh huh but I don't cook a lot of fish
 
Anonymous
I usually eat vegetarian food
 
neither do I
even though it's healthier than meat, I think
 
Anonymous
12:05 PM
Oh I always considered fish a kind of meat
 
Just using the term I see somewhere, like meat and fish
Probably the nutrition triangle thingy
 
Anonymous
I guess a lot of people think of fish as something different :-)
 
so what do you make with your steam oven?
muffins?
 
Anonymous
Oh, you can make all sorts of things! It's perfect for muffins
 
Anonymous
It's also really good for reheating food
 
Anonymous
12:08 PM
It doesn't dry food out when you reheat it
 
By steaming it?
 
Anonymous
Yes
 
Is there "conventional mode" and "steam mode"? Or does it always use steam?
 
Anonymous
Yes it has modes, you can turn off steam or just use a little moisture
 
Anonymous
You can tell it to start steaming halfway
 
12:10 PM
sounds very nifty
can you control it with wifi?
 
Anonymous
It's a little oven but it's big enough for most stuff
 
Anonymous
Hehe, I don't think so!
 
turkey?
mini turkey?
 
Anonymous
But the other oven is much bigger
 
Pain in the ass to clean though
Esp. if one doesn't clean often
 
Anonymous
12:12 PM
Steam ovens are really easy to clean
 
Given the compact size factor, I'd expect it to
I'm talking about regular ones
 
Anonymous
You turn it on and have it steam itself and then you open it up and wipe it down
 
Anonymous
Cleaning a regular oven is terrible t-t
 
I'm just waiting for a self-cleaning oven to be invented
 
Anonymous
I have a hot plate, too!
 
12:13 PM
do you have a microwave?
 
Anonymous
Oh, you know, I think most ovens these says are "self-cleaning" but I think it's a lie
 
wait, they say that?
 
Anonymous
I do have a microwave.
 
Anonymous
It's just above the steam oven
 
Anonymous
12:15 PM
They're the same size and shape (and manufacturer)
 
I remember making mashed potato with a microwave... so convenient
 
Anonymous
I think you can put lots of stuff you'd normally microwave into the steam oven
 
Anonymous
It's good at potatoes! :-)
 
Hmmm.... Japanese Stack Overflow huh?
 
Anonymous
Yeah, they've been working on it for a while
 
12:17 PM
Didn't know there were that many JP Stack Overflow users
 
Anonymous
It's raining here, by the way. The first rain of the season!
 
Celebrate it with steamed fish!
 
Anonymous
I wonder if it counts as 梅雨入り :-)
 
rainy season?
Ugh, can't stand Youtube videos with audio tracks
most of them are so bad
* the music I mean
 
Anonymous
We have a rainy season and a longer dry season here
 
12:32 PM
@非回答者 got it. thanks
> Is it possible to cook a whole fish in a dishwasher?
 
Anonymous
O_O;
 
I'm looking at top questions on Seasoned Advice
^ that looks good... gonna try it tomorrow
 
1:13 PM
@snailboat rationally loanwords are fine. However the reason why people are frustrated while learning them is that basically these words have no sense in their original language and no sense (originally) in the derived language, so in fact you have to get over the fact of learning nonsense which apparently has some meaning.
To look at it further - I often get comments from Germans about Latvian language being "weird" or even "stupid" because there are many loanwords from Germanic languages which retained their form and meaning as they were used in middle ages and have very little sense when compared to modern German or Swedish.
 
Anonymous
That's too bad. People have weird linguistic biases
 
nothing to do here, people are not rational!
:)
 
Anonymous
Like, there are people who get upset by the English word futon
 
the reason I got frustrated today is because my 上司 used the word at the meeting and I was struggling to understand what are they trying to say.
 
Anonymous
But frustration is totally understandable
 
Anonymous
1:17 PM
和製英語 can be tough for me sometimes
 
what's your "favourite" one?
 
Anonymous
Cunning paper
 
Anonymous
Or maybe go sign
 
@.@
 
`!!!
cheatsheet?
 
1:18 PM
what's ゴーサイン?
 
collect $200?
green light?
 
googling says the hand with pointed finger
however I still doubt it
 
jeez rilak use a dictionary :)
 
lol
 
ah "go-ahead" was what I was looking for but couldn't remember
yeah definitely some interesting 和製英語... I should keep a list of interesting ones
 
Anonymous
1:22 PM
Order made is a good one
 
about year 2009 when economy went down I often heard ワンマン運転 phrase at train stations. Pretty clear but still somewhat weird and funny.
 
oh man, so カンニング itself means "cheating"
 
cunning
 
I thought it's only in terms of カンニング・ペーパー
no teacher I wasn't cheating, I was cunning
 
Anonymous
Hee
 
Anonymous
1:24 PM
Mug cup is a cute one
 
yes. But always feeling like asking どっち?
 
jeez I was just googling mug cup and I saw this
 
I also love words, not sure what's their scientific name, used mostly in speech, such as はだか -> すっぽんぽん, 扁平 -> ぺちゃんこ
@3to5businessdays I googled "cup" by entering "g cup" as a shortcut for google. Guess what went out!
 
I smell a trap
something fishy
oh right
I fried fish just now
sorry
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Hee
 
1:33 PM
right, I have to make some food too. 薩摩芋!
 
wow that kanji was scary
 
still better than 鬱
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Don't worry, it's usually written in katakana
 
Anonymous
鬱 is memorable and distinctive so I don't actually think of it as a hard kanji
 
those were just batats. Normally written in hiragana as さつま芋
 
1:35 PM
@snailboat yeah
 
but I have deep respect to Satsuma so feel obliged to write it in kanji every time
:D
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays You should be able to read it, though
 
Anonymous
You should know 薩 as in 菩薩 I think
 
sounded like some religious food
 
lol
 
Anonymous
1:36 PM
and 摩 has 麻 which is pretty much always ま as an 音読み
 
wow, great tip. Thank you @snailboat
 
ooo yesssss
I feel enlightened
must be the Buddha
 
菩薩、薩摩芋、開眼
sounds like a recipe
 
yes
200g of 菩薩
 
one middle sized 薩摩芋
and two mug cups of 開眼
 
1:38 PM
clap hands 3x
 
and bow 1.5 times
 
then put it in a steam oven
 
but better in 釜
 
yes father sitting on gold is always better
 
Anonymous
異議あり! Everything's better in a steam oven
 
1:40 PM
by the way, is not 税 scary?
 
Anonymous
As a kanji or a concept? :-)
 
horned 兄 came to eat my wheat :/
 
Anonymous
I think the kanji is pretty basic but the concept is scary!
 
both. It just looks like a horned guy with something large in his hand.
 
or a horny guy with something large in his hand
wait that doesn't sound right
 
Anonymous
1:41 PM
Ohh, you would like the 旧字体 better then
 
Anonymous
It has the 八頭 looking like 八 and not upside down
 
Anonymous
So instead of being like >:-( it's more like <:-)
 
Still looks like an inquisitor!
 
Anonymous
Actually, when I started learning kanji with 兌, I thought it looked like a little alien
 
indeed, looks like!
I think a simple 貝 is also very cute
 
Anonymous
1:43 PM
Oh, me too! :-)
 
Anonymous
_貝_レ  ← かたつむり
 
Trying to imagine ancient Chinese people who wrote an eye with some cute legs below.
 
Anonymous
_蝸_レ
 
Anonymous
_◎_レ
 
yes. I think the kanji for 蝸牛 could be much better as 貝牛
 
1:45 PM
nooooo, why you have to torture me like this ---> kotobank.jp/word/%E8%85%95%E5%8A%9B
わんりょく or うでぢから
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays It's generally わんりょく
 
ワン力
犬力
 
btw, long time ago Japanese teacher told that 風 has 虫 inside because ancient people thought insects come by air from the wind.
What was my surprise when I learned this was not a myth and many insects in Kyushu are actually "imported" by wind from the continental China.
 
Anonymous
Small spiders can build little silk "balloons" and balloon themselves a thousand miles away from land
 
Anonymous
1:50 PM
And pass between islands or continents!
 
amazing.
Do you know which species do it?
 
Anonymous
I'm not sure, but I think it's a number of smaller species
 
great article, thank you!
 
2:01 PM
spiderballoon
is that a relative of snailplane?
what's in the picture in the medium article?
 
Anonymous
I'm actually a bit afraid of spiders, but I used to live somewhere with a big spider that lived outside my front door, and I'd go out and watch it every night to try to get used to spiders and not be afraid of them
 
I guess this is how mr 蜘蛛-san's secretions look when making silk
 
Anonymous
So I'm not too afraid of them anymore
 
Anonymous
Although I still don't want to touch them :-)
 
Anonymous
But I know someone who keeps pet spiders
 
Anonymous
2:06 PM
And thinks they're cute
 
some spiders are, such as タカアシグモ
 
Anonymous
I don't know any names of spiders in Japanese
 
Anonymous
I know a couple in English
 
When I go to insect museums, and see those huge spiders
... scary
 
Anonymous
I guess タカアシグモ would be daddy long legs?
 
Anonymous
2:07 PM
Jumping spiders are cute. I don't know what their official name is
 
even my wife keeps one in the house. Not as a pet, more like a insecticide means.
 
Anonymous
 
@snailboat jumping spiders are called "jumping spiders" or Salticidae
@snailboat yes, so long so when one sits behind the wall clock you see leg ends
cute indeed! :)
 
Anonymous
It's all like ":)"
 
OvO
 
Anonymous
2:10 PM
My friend says most spiders are like ":c"
 
most spiders are ooOO, ,OOoo
ot even OOooY YooOO <-- the scary type
 
Anonymous
I don't like wolf spiders
 
Anonymous
We have them here
 
day before yesterday I found a spider mimicking an ant on the plants outside. Killed one before mistaking it with a termite scout. :/
let me google them... what are they
 
Anonymous
 
2:12 PM
looks like a sad frog
do they bite, @snailboat ?
 
Anonymous
@Rilakkuma It . . . it does look like a sad frog
 
Anonymous
I miss my pet frog
 
Anonymous
@Rilakkuma Oh, I don't know.
 
Anonymous
I guess all spiders are venomous, but I don't think it has a medically significant bite
 
what kind of frog did you have?
 
Anonymous
2:17 PM
I don't remember. I was too young
 
Anonymous
It was little and green and started out as a tadpole :-)
 
Anonymous
I remember watching it a lot
 
Anonymous
And feeding it. Feeding a pet frog is gross
 
nice! A water frog or tree frog?
 
Anonymous
Oh, I think it was a water frog
 
Anonymous
2:18 PM
It was my first pet that I wasn't supposed to touch very much because the frog wouldn't like being handled
 
what did it eat?
 
Anonymous
Before that I had pet hamsters, all of whom seemed to like being petted :-)
 
Anonymous
@Rilakkuma They eat fruit flies
 
Anonymous
Like everyone's favorite, Drosophila melanogaster!
 
Drosophilas! Yes, I eat them too sometimes.
Not on purpose though.
 
Anonymous
2:19 PM
Oh! . . . gross :-)
 
planet.uwc.ac.za/nisl/biodiversity/loe/page_108.htm - very interesting frog by the way.
 
Anonymous
I really liked my frog, and I had a nice big illustrated book of frog species when I was young
 
Anonymous
I don't know why I forgot what species the frog was
 
Anonymous
My favorite from the book were the poison dart frogs
 
Anonymous
@Rilakkuma Wow!
 
2:23 PM
just took a video of sounds outside
video is not important, sound is
 
Anonymous
2:41 PM
I just searched for セミの声 on Youtube
 
did you know it is possible to recognize different types of cicadas by their voice?
 
Anonymous
Oh, I bet! But I can't do that
 
those in my video are not ciciadas, but crickets and something else with swirling sound
cicadas are rather "alien-like" with their voices
 
Anonymous
Uh-huh, we have crickets here
 
Anonymous
I recognized them! :-)
 
Anonymous
2:43 PM
I like crickets
 
Interestingly western Japan has majority of クマゼミ while eastern Japan majority of アブラゼミ
and earlier - Minmin. Also eastern
they have very cute yet hysterical voice
 
ミンミンゼミ are pretty damn familiar to me... just west of yokohama
 
yes, みんみん are everywhere! very summerish sound :)
@jkerian are you somewhere in Shonan?
 
@Rilakkuma That's where I work, I actually live in Yokohama (live in the city, commute out every morning... :)
 
3:05 PM
Nice! Opposite commute is very handy.
I live next to Yoyogi park - commuting from here is surprisingly uncomfortable - you have to reach major hubs such as Shibuya or Shinjuku or use Tokyo Metro, so bicycle is the fastest way to get to the work.
Even taxi is slower.
 
Anonymous
I always have to convert 補助 and then 動詞. If I type ほじょどうし and hit space I get 穂助動詞
 
Anonymous
My input method is cruddy. :-)
 

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