Japanese Language

Anonymous

00:13

Martin's descriptions of the こそあど series (on pages 1066-1080) are really helpful for me!

Anonymous

01:54

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Q: Difference between 間【あいだ】 and 間【ま】

What is the difference between the words 間【あいだ】 and 間【ま】 ? Both seem to have the basic meaning space or time interval.

Anonymous

I'm torn on this question. It would be better if it asked about all the readings of 間 in my opinion, but it's too late to edit it because that would invalidate the existing answers (at a minimum Thomas Gross')

Kaji

03:19

Does it really have that many others? Only additional one I can think of is the けん in 世間...

Anonymous

@Kaji Well, it has twice as many. かん and けん are left out of the comparison.

Kaji

ach, silly me, there's also かん as in 時間

人間

Ok, guess there are a few more than I thought

The distinction though is that the question's asking about when to use its kun readings; the additional ones have all been on

Anonymous

かん is in a lot more words than けん, as is often the case for those types of 音読み but けん is in important words (yes, 人間 and 世間)

Anonymous

@Kaji Right, but you have to make choices that involve other than kun readings, like その間: is it そのあいだ or そのかん?

Anonymous

04:04

Sorry, my computer wasn't working right and I couldn't type properly

Anonymous

I was going to elaborate and say that in compounds, ま is common as is かん

Anonymous

05:42

Someone could ask a separate question about その間, maybe

Anonymous

あいだ doesn't appear in many compounds, though . . . I know it's part of こないだ (from このあいだ), and it's in 間柄

Chocolate

06:12

@snailboat Grilled hormones

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehe! Such a strange word

Kaji

Now that's an interesting one to walk into without context!

Anonymous

@Kaji ホルモン焼き

Kaji

Ah...I see.

Chocolate

06:27

うわｗｗ　translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

Anonymous

Hah!

Chocolate

Grilled eyeballs

Anonymous

Oh, no! 目玉焼き

Anonymous

親子丼

Chocolate

translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

tut!

translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E8%A6%AA%E5%AD%90%E4%B8%BC

parent and child's bowl とか言って欲しかったｗｗ

Anonymous

06:30

「Bowl of rice topped with chicken and eggs」と訳した！　「Grilled hormones」よりまし

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehe 私も

Anonymous

I decided at the last moment to say まし

Chocolate

他人丼

Others bowl

translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E4%BB%96%E4%BA%BA%E4%B8%BC

やった！ｗｗ

Anonymous

Haha!

Anonymous

メロンパン is just "melon"

Anonymous

06:36

translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

Chocolate

Strange...

Oh! メロン is Mellon translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E3%83%A1%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3

Anonymous

en.rocketnews24.com/2014/04/18/…

Chocolate

喉から手が出るのよ・・ｗｗ

こわいでしょ・・

「イタチの最後っ屁」←知らないかも

おさるさんが何か洗ってる。かわいい～

Anonymous

06:55

@Chocolate Hehe!

Chocolate

【注意】「目に入れても痛くない」は例えであり、実際に子や孫を目に入れたら痛いので注意が必要。
それ以前に、おそらく子や孫を目の中に入れることは不可能と思われる。

だって！

ｗｗｗhttp://kotowaza-allguide.com/me/meniiretemoitakunai.html

誰が入れんねんｗｗｗ

Anonymous

@Chocolate It's a little weird seeing expressions with 屁... they seem vulgar

Anonymous

Like 「言い出しっぺ」

Chocolate

言いだしっぺ＝言いだしっ屁？　うへえ

Anonymous

Hehehe

Anonymous

07:01

gogen-allguide.com/i/iidashippe.html

Anonymous

It always makes me think of the children's playground saying "He who smelt it, dealt it"

Chocolate

「他人にばれないようにするため、おならをした当人が最初に『臭い』と言い出す」←え。そうなの？ｗｗｗｗ

そおか～　それって世界共通・・・

Chocolate

07:16

グーグル翻訳
屁の河童 -> fart of kappa

あ、でも、
piece of cake -> 朝飯前

Anonymous

It translates 言い出しっぺ to "Idashippe"

Chocolate

へｗｗｗ

Anonymous

And 言い出しっ屁 to "Ll fart started to say"

Chocolate

Ll ってなんだろう

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372652

Anonymous

07:19

"Bring it"!

Chocolate

おもしろい、そのページ！

「言いだしっ屁」にしたら　Dashi~tsuhe said　だって。ナゾ

Anonymous

If you type いだし it says Idashi, but if you type いだしっ, it says LI Idashi

Anonymous

っ = LI??

Anonymous

I was trying to figure out where the LI came from by adding or deleting characters

Chocolate

L＋I＝ちいさい「っ」...

英語でなんて読むんだｗｗｗｗ

「り」

Anonymous

07:33

理由　　＝　"Reason"
理由っ　＝　”LI reason"

Chocolate

なんでやｗ

こっちの方が賢そう　translationparty.com/#11372684

下に行くほどおかしくなるけど

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372688

Chocolate

最後、めっちゃ短くされたやん

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehehe um :-)

Anonymous

Round-trip translations are funny

Chocolate

07:44

で、本も出版されてるんですって。　amazon.co.jp/…

読んでも多分意味分からないよね。

誰が買うんだろうと思うけど、結構売れたらしい・・

Anonymous

I am curious how the machine translation came up with the part in the title :-)

Anonymous

Oh, かぐ + や！

Anonymous

Umm :-)

Anonymous

This is very silly.

Anonymous

I suppose I shouldn't try to figure out how it came up with the translations

Chocolate

07:47

「浦島太郎」は、こうなるんだってさ・・・amazon.co.jp/…

うら、しま・・・

Anonymous

Wow, another book

Anonymous

Umm

Anonymous

Ohh, I get it

Anonymous

裏に縞がある

Anonymous

It took me a minute to figure that one out, too :-)

Anonymous

07:49

Even though you explained it

Chocolate

文　・　原　倫太郎
絵　・　原游
訳　・　翻訳ソフト

だって！

中古で１７２円か・・・要らないな・・・ｗｗｗｗ

Chocolate

08:05

Come on, you can do better than that.

って言われたんだけど

しかも、英語に直してくれなくなった・・・

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372709

Chocolate

あら・・・

Anonymous

But if you type 吾輩 instead of 我輩 it works a little better

Chocolate

Okay, I get it, you like Translation Party.

って言われた

Anonymous

Hehe, Translation Party is mean

Anonymous

08:12

translationparty.com/#11372712

Anonymous

> 平均翻訳パーティをあってはいけない!

Chocolate

今度は、「You've done this before, haven't you.」だって。

やってないけど・・・

いろいろ出てくる～おもしろい～～

Chocolate

09:53

translationparty.com/#11372741

なぜだ・・・

You should move to Japan!　って言われたよ

Anonymous

"This Elo"? Hehe

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372746

Anonymous

@Chocolate The messages at the bottom are silly

Chocolate

"That's deep, man" って書いてある

Anonymous

It keeps giving me that one

Chocolate

09:59

名前とメルアド教えてくれたよ！ｗｗｗ

Anonymous

I wonder how you're supposed to pronounce Boenigk

Anonymous

10:15

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Q: Other meaning of 訪れる

Good Day! I currently need some help. I am translating some Japanese Documents to English. I came across this text: 66歳に到達した日以降に最初に訪れる3月末まで So far I have: Until the end of March...on or after the day of turning 66 years old How should one translate this text: 最初に訪れる, in order for it to fit the...

translation usage

Anonymous

"Starting from the day [someone] turns 66, until the end of March arrives"?

Chocolate

ぼえにっく？　ドイツ系かな・・

@snailboat だよね～

ああ、

６６歳になってから初めての３月３１日

まで。

by march 31 か、until march 31 か、

分からないよね。

By/until the first March 31 after you turn 66

（意味通じます？）

Anonymous

@Chocolate I think you can phrase it that way

Anonymous

So 最初に modifies 訪れる and it means the first time that ３月末 arrives

Anonymous

(the first time [after the day they turn 66])

Chocolate

10:24

ええ、そう思います

Maybe it's talking about 年金 or 健康保険

Anonymous

10:51

0

A: Other meaning of 訪れる

I think it's the second sense for 訪れる in Wiktionary: 季節・状況などがやってくる。 Other dictionaries give similar definitions. Here's the relevant sense from 広辞苑: （ある時期・状況などが）やってくる。「春が訪れる」「世界に平和が訪れる日」 So 最初に訪れる３月末 would mean something like "the first March 31 that arrives", although arrive is a bi...

Anonymous

Hehe, I yoinked your translation :-)

Szymon

12:05

I think I broke the translation party

With "This is silly"

Which is very appropriate ;)

Anonymous

Oh, it should detect longer loops!

Anonymous

That was silly of them :-)

Szymon

It does, actually

I didn't really break it.

Anyway, how are you?

Anonymous

I don't think it detects longer loops. I think it just gives up after N iterations.

Szymon

True, it does give up.

Anonymous

12:07

That could be construed as a poor man's loop detection... :-)

Anonymous

But it's not what I intended to say

Anonymous

@Szymon I am doing well! I'm enjoying going through Martin's reference grammar :-)

Szymon

@snailboat Very good use of time, I should say.

Anonymous

At some point I might try to write an answer to one of those こそあど questions to try to give Martin's perspective

Szymon

I think I need some sleep... Sorry for just dropping by for a minute but I need to say good bye for now.

Anonymous

12:11

Ah! Rest well!

Anonymous

One might argue that I need some sleep, too.

Szymon

Thanks, see you later!

Chocolate

13:54

@snailboat おお～I'm honored

Anonymous

Hehe!

Chocolate

@snailboat おや。

寝なさい～ｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Hehehehe

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