Japanese Language - 2014-05-26

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Anonymous

12:13 AM

Martin's descriptions of the こそあど series (on pages 1066-1080) are really helpful for me!

Anonymous

1:54 AM

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Q: Difference between 間【あいだ】 and 間【ま】

What is the difference between the words 間【あいだ】 and 間【ま】 ? Both seem to have the basic meaning space or time interval.

Anonymous

I'm torn on this question. It would be better if it asked about all the readings of 間 in my opinion, but it's too late to edit it because that would invalidate the existing answers (at a minimum Thomas Gross')

3:19 AM

Does it really have that many others? Only additional one I can think of is the けん in 世間...

Anonymous

@Kaji Well, it has twice as many. かん and けん are left out of the comparison.

ach, silly me, there's also かん as in 時間

人間

Ok, guess there are a few more than I thought

The distinction though is that the question's asking about when to use its kun readings; the additional ones have all been on

Anonymous

かん is in a lot more words than けん, as is often the case for those types of 音読み but けん is in important words (yes, 人間 and 世間)

Anonymous

@Kaji Right, but you have to make choices that involve other than kun readings, like その間: is it そのあいだ or そのかん?

Anonymous

4:04 AM

Sorry, my computer wasn't working right and I couldn't type properly

Anonymous

I was going to elaborate and say that in compounds, ま is common as is かん

Anonymous

5:42 AM

Someone could ask a separate question about その間, maybe

Anonymous

あいだ doesn't appear in many compounds, though . . . I know it's part of こないだ (from このあいだ), and it's in 間柄

6:12 AM

@snailboat Grilled hormones

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehe! Such a strange word

Now that's an interesting one to walk into without context!

Anonymous

@Kaji ホルモン焼き

Ah...I see.

6:27 AM

うわｗｗ　translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

Anonymous

Hah!

Grilled eyeballs

Anonymous

Oh, no! 目玉焼き

Anonymous

親子丼

translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

tut!

translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E8%A6%AA%E5%AD%90%E4%B8%BC

parent and child's bowl とか言って欲しかったｗｗ

Anonymous

6:30 AM

「Bowl of rice topped with chicken and eggs」と訳した！　「Grilled hormones」よりまし

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehe 私も

Anonymous

I decided at the last moment to say まし

他人丼

Others bowl

translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E4%BB%96%E4%BA%BA%E4%B8%BC

やった！ｗｗ

Anonymous

Haha!

Anonymous

メロンパン is just "melon"

Anonymous

6:36 AM

translate.google.com/#ja/en/…

Strange...

Oh! メロン is Mellon translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E3%83%A1%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3

Anonymous

en.rocketnews24.com/2014/04/18/…

喉から手が出るのよ・・ｗｗ

こわいでしょ・・

「イタチの最後っ屁」←知らないかも

おさるさんが何か洗ってる。かわいい～

Anonymous

6:55 AM

@Chocolate Hehe!

【注意】「目に入れても痛くない」は例えであり、実際に子や孫を目に入れたら痛いので注意が必要。
それ以前に、おそらく子や孫を目の中に入れることは不可能と思われる。

だって！

ｗｗｗhttp://kotowaza-allguide.com/me/meniiretemoitakunai.html

誰が入れんねんｗｗｗ

Anonymous

@Chocolate It's a little weird seeing expressions with 屁... they seem vulgar

Anonymous

Like 「言い出しっぺ」

言いだしっぺ＝言いだしっ屁？　うへえ

Anonymous

Hehehe

Anonymous

7:01 AM

gogen-allguide.com/i/iidashippe.html

Anonymous

It always makes me think of the children's playground saying "He who smelt it, dealt it"

「他人にばれないようにするため、おならをした当人が最初に『臭い』と言い出す」←え。そうなの？ｗｗｗｗ

そおか～　それって世界共通・・・

7:16 AM

グーグル翻訳
屁の河童 -> fart of kappa

あ、でも、
piece of cake -> 朝飯前

Anonymous

It translates 言い出しっぺ to "Idashippe"

へｗｗｗ

Anonymous

And 言い出しっ屁 to "Ll fart started to say"

Ll ってなんだろう

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372652

Anonymous

7:19 AM

"Bring it"!

おもしろい、そのページ！

「言いだしっ屁」にしたら　Dashi~tsuhe said　だって。ナゾ

Anonymous

If you type いだし it says Idashi, but if you type いだしっ, it says LI Idashi

Anonymous

っ = LI??

Anonymous

I was trying to figure out where the LI came from by adding or deleting characters

L＋I＝ちいさい「っ」...

英語でなんて読むんだｗｗｗｗ

「り」

Anonymous

7:33 AM

理由　　＝　"Reason"
理由っ　＝　”LI reason"

なんでやｗ

こっちの方が賢そう　translationparty.com/#11372684

下に行くほどおかしくなるけど

user image

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372688

最後、めっちゃ短くされたやん

Anonymous

@Chocolate Hehehe um :-)

Anonymous

Round-trip translations are funny

7:44 AM

で、本も出版されてるんですって。　amazon.co.jp/…

読んでも多分意味分からないよね。

誰が買うんだろうと思うけど、結構売れたらしい・・

Anonymous

I am curious how the machine translation came up with the part in the title :-)

Anonymous

Oh, かぐ + や！

Anonymous

Umm :-)

Anonymous

This is very silly.

Anonymous

I suppose I shouldn't try to figure out how it came up with the translations

7:47 AM

「浦島太郎」は、こうなるんだってさ・・・amazon.co.jp/…

うら、しま・・・

Anonymous

Wow, another book

Anonymous

Umm

Anonymous

Ohh, I get it

Anonymous

裏に縞がある

Anonymous

It took me a minute to figure that one out, too :-)

Anonymous

7:49 AM

Even though you explained it

文　・　原　倫太郎
絵　・　原游
訳　・　翻訳ソフト

だって！

中古で１７２円か・・・要らないな・・・ｗｗｗｗ

8:05 AM

user image

Come on, you can do better than that.

って言われたんだけど

しかも、英語に直してくれなくなった・・・

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372709

あら・・・

Anonymous

But if you type 吾輩 instead of 我輩 it works a little better

user image

Okay, I get it, you like Translation Party.

って言われた

Anonymous

Hehe, Translation Party is mean

Anonymous

8:12 AM

translationparty.com/#11372712

Anonymous

> 平均翻訳パーティをあってはいけない!

今度は、「You've done this before, haven't you.」だって。

やってないけど・・・

いろいろ出てくる～おもしろい～～

2 hours later…

9:53 AM

translationparty.com/#11372741

なぜだ・・・

You should move to Japan!　って言われたよ

Anonymous

"This Elo"? Hehe

Anonymous

translationparty.com/#11372746

Anonymous

@Chocolate The messages at the bottom are silly

"That's deep, man" って書いてある

Anonymous

It keeps giving me that one

9:59 AM

名前とメルアド教えてくれたよ！ｗｗｗ

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Anonymous

I wonder how you're supposed to pronounce Boenigk

Anonymous

10:15 AM

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Q: Other meaning of 訪れる

Good Day! I currently need some help. I am translating some Japanese Documents to English. I came across this text: 66歳に到達した日以降に最初に訪れる3月末まで So far I have: Until the end of March...on or after the day of turning 66 years old How should one translate this text: 最初に訪れる, in order for it to fit the...

translation usage

Anonymous

"Starting from the day [someone] turns 66, until the end of March arrives"?

ぼえにっく？　ドイツ系かな・・

@snailboat だよね～

ああ、

６６歳になってから初めての３月３１日

まで。

by march 31 か、until march 31 か、

分からないよね。

By/until the first March 31 after you turn 66

（意味通じます？）

Anonymous

@Chocolate I think you can phrase it that way

Anonymous

So 最初に modifies 訪れる and it means the first time that ３月末 arrives

Anonymous

(the first time [after the day they turn 66])

10:24 AM

ええ、そう思います

Maybe it's talking about 年金 or 健康保険

Anonymous

10:51 AM

0

A: Other meaning of 訪れる

I think it's the second sense for 訪れる in Wiktionary: 季節・状況などがやってくる。 Other dictionaries give similar definitions. Here's the relevant sense from 広辞苑: （ある時期・状況などが）やってくる。「春が訪れる」「世界に平和が訪れる日」 So 最初に訪れる３月末 would mean something like "the first March 31 that arrives", although arrive is a bi...

Anonymous

Hehe, I yoinked your translation :-)

12:05 PM

I think I broke the translation party

With "This is silly"

Which is very appropriate ;)

Anonymous

Oh, it should detect longer loops!

Anonymous

That was silly of them :-)

It does, actually

I didn't really break it.

Anyway, how are you?

Anonymous

I don't think it detects longer loops. I think it just gives up after N iterations.

True, it does give up.

Anonymous

12:07 PM

That could be construed as a poor man's loop detection... :-)

Anonymous

But it's not what I intended to say

Anonymous

@Szymon I am doing well! I'm enjoying going through Martin's reference grammar :-)

@snailboat Very good use of time, I should say.

Anonymous

At some point I might try to write an answer to one of those こそあど questions to try to give Martin's perspective

I think I need some sleep... Sorry for just dropping by for a minute but I need to say good bye for now.

Anonymous

12:11 PM

Ah! Rest well!

Anonymous

One might argue that I need some sleep, too.

Thanks, see you later!

2 hours later…

1:54 PM

@snailboat おお～I'm honored

Anonymous

Hehe!

@snailboat おや。

寝なさい～ｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Hehehehe

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