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Lukas

06:34

Guten Morgen @Jez @Takkat und @LadybugKiller

Gigili

07:02

Morgen @Lukas.

Takkat

07:14

Morgen @Lukas @Gigili

Lukas

Guten Morgen @Gigili

Gigili

Guten Morgen Takkat

Takkat

07:30

<-- is off work for two weeks \o/

Gigili

Huh?

Holidays?

Takkat

Ferien, Urlaub, Ostern \o/

Nun ja, ich habe hier recht viel zu tun. Es bleibt immer so viel liegen...

Die Steuererklärung steht heute an.

stöhn

Gigili

07:55

Haha, nice that taxes are not a problem here.

Lukas

08:05

Oh...
Die Steuererklärung ist bei mir auch schon überfällig...

hhh

08:42

Hallo, wie sagt man: "Wir need something to relax."? Ist das richtig "Wir brauchen etwas aus zu ruhen."?

Lukas

Hi @hhh
Can you give some context?

hhh

Wir brauchen Spiele aus zu ruhen.

Lukas

That doesn't make any sense at all :)
ausruhen or aus zu ruhen means to relax or to rest (physically)

Can you tell in english what you want to say or in which situation you would say it?

hhh

If one plays a video game, you may get a feeling of Catharsis (a similar to reading when your mind opens etc or refresh from daily issues).

Katharsis (Literatur)

Die Katharsis (gr. kátharsis „Reinigung“) bezeichnet nach der Definition der Tragödie in der aristotelischen Poetik die "Reinigung" von bestimmten Affekten. Durch das Durchleben von Jammer/Rührung und Schrecken/Schauder (von griechisch éleos und phóbos, auch seit Lessing in irreführender Weise mit Mitleid und Furcht übersetzt) erfährt der Zuschauer der Tragödie als deren Wirkung eine Läuterung seiner Seele von diesen Erregungszuständen (Poetik, Kap. 6, 1449b26) Katharsis war zunächst ein Begriff aus der Sphäre des Sakralen und bezeichnete die kultische Reinigung. Der Begriff wurde später ...

"emotional cleansing"

I think I could use here "aus ruhen" aber bin ich nicht sicher!

Lukas

09:02

I'm still not sure...
I would say that entspannen would be the appropriate word, but I can't really tell, because the german sentence you provided is wrong.
How would you say in english?

hhh

Games make me feel more refreshing or make me relax, forget daily issues (perhaps).

(etwas anderes zu denken)

Lukas

Spiele helfen mir mich zu entspannen und die Alltagssorgen zu vergessen.

In this case you should use entspannen not ausruhen, I think it is more appropriate

hhh

Ja das ist gut, klingt besser. Danke.

Gigili

Why is that Lukas?

"entspannen is more appropriate"

hhh

Ist das den so "Spiele helfen uns uns zu entspannen--"?

Lukas

09:21

@hhh Ja, im prinzip schon :)
Aber du kannst natürlich auch eine allgemeine Formulierung wie "Spiele helfen sich zu entspannen" benutzen

Lukas

09:35

@Gigili Good question. ausruhen is best translated with "to rest". It is what you do if you're exhausted because you walked whatever distance, then you can sit down somwher to rest.
Thats the context in which ausruhen is commonly used

Gigili

@Lukas Great explanation, got it. Thank you.

Lukas

Also have at look at 1c in this duden entry duden.de/rechtschreibung/entspannen as opposed to ausruhen, where all meanings are of physical nature duden.de/rechtschreibung/ausruhen

I'm of for lunch

Gigili

09:51

@Lukas That's interesting. As there's no marked difference between the English ones. Thank you.

@Lukas Mahlzeit!

Takkat

10:27

@hhh Auch "relaxen" ist ein nicht so seltenes Wort. Sieh Dir auch dort die Synonyme an: sich erholen, abschalten, entspannen...

Jez

15:11

@Lukas afternoon :-)

Lukas

Hi @Jez

Martin

15:25

is the word 'gut' affected by gender in German? Can I say both "Er ist gut" and "Es ist gut"?

Gigili

@Martin I don't understand the first part but you can say both, as far as I know.

Martin

I just mean does the word change if it refers to a masculine or feminine noun

Gigili

Even sie ist gut is correct.

Martin

is "die Lampe, sie ist gut" correct also?

Gigili

"Die Lampe ist gut", why "die Lampe, sie ist gut"?

Martin

15:30

I know the sentence was strange, just wanted to emphasise that the pronoun is affected by gender, as is the definitive article, but not the word 'gut'

but I think you've helped me, thanks :)

OregonGhost

@Martin: It is, however, "eine gute Lampe" vs. "ein guter Stuhl"... ;)

Takkat

But beware of this: eine gute Frau - ein guter Mann

OregonGhost

@Takkat: :D

Takkat

Jinx - Hi @OregonGhost

OregonGhost

Moin ;)

Takkat

15:32

Jetzt hört man sich tagelang nicht und dann gleichzeitig mit dem fast Gleichen. Ts ts ts.

Gigili

@Martin You're very welcome, you better ask native German speakers anyway.

Takkat

But @Gigili is almost a native...

Gigili

Oh?

Takkat

We miss your fine edits.

OregonGhost

Yup.

Gigili

15:33

Shucks

Thank you.

Takkat

german.stackexchange.com/users?tab=editors&filter=quarter

^that's cheating - the quarter just begun...

Martin

so, when referring to a lamp, I cannot say "es ist gut", I must say "sie ist gut" right? (to say: it's good).

Takkat

Die Lampe, sie ist gut.

Exactly

Martin

ok, dankeschön :)

and das Buch, es ist gut?

Gigili

@Takkat The one I said was wrong?

Takkat

15:40

No, it was o.k. - you can say both.

In this case I put emphasis on the gender.

Gigili

phew

Takkat

Like: "Wie ist die Lampe?" - "Sie ist gut."

@Martin "Wie ist das Buch?" - "Es ist sehr gut!" :)

Martin

@Takkat Great, thanks... I understand :)

Gigili

A:Die Lampe ist gut
B: Ja, sie ist gut.
C: Was ist gut?
B:Die Lampe, sie ist gut.

Takkat

Lies das gute Buch und nicht den schlechten Schundroman.

@Gigili: ABCD all correct ;P

OregonGhost

15:43

Could be a real-world example. Except that most people wouldn't actually call a lamp "gut", but rather "schön" or "hübsch" or something :)

Takkat

Welche Lampe ist die beste?

Gigili

I'd call a man "hübsch" but not a lamp?

OregonGhost

Why not?

Takkat

Hübsche Blümchen, hübsche Kinder, hübsche Bilder... its not only people.

OregonGhost

The lamps we have in office here are, by contrast, "hässlich". Or, to add to the confusion, "hübsch hässlich".

Gigili

15:45

To not compare men and lamps!

Martin

depends if the lamp has a good body :)

Takkat

Male?

OregonGhost

Yes, that lamp is definitely not female.

Gigili

Oh, this one is even more "hübsch" than any man.

Takkat

Kid

OregonGhost

15:47

Isn't that the Pixar lamp?^^

Gigili

I was about to say it.

Takkat

Female?

Why?

Yes it's the Pixar lamp

OregonGhost

A co-worker definitely wants this one:

Gigili

@Takkat Because it's beautiful and attractive.

Takkat

@OregonGhost Die hektische Wackellampe?

OregonGhost

15:49

Nein, ich glaube so hektisch ist die nicht. Würde ich bei dem Vermögen, das sie kostet, auch nicht erwarten.

Takkat

@Gigili that is not the definition of "female"

Gigili

I'm female and I know the definition

OregonGhost

I wouldn't want the red lamp, by the way.

Takkat

One and only lamp

Gigili

@OregonGhost I'm not sure if the red lamp wants you either.

OregonGhost

15:51

@Gigili: Thank you for your refreshing kindness.

Takkat

There is an important detail missing with the red lamp.

Martin

I apologise for the lamp/gender thing I started :-)

Takkat

All @Martin's fault!

Martin

ja, es tut mir leid

OregonGhost

@Gigili: You don't actually work in the same office as me? Because she does say such things all the time since maybe two or three months now :p

Takkat

15:53

Now we know the reason why @OregonGhost is so rare here in chat!

Gigili

@OregonGhost I work there, look more carefully. Muhahaha.

Takkat

He is talked to all the time...

Gigili

@Takkat Yeah, he's depressed apparently. The red one refused to talk to him.

OregonGhost

@Takkat: I would be glad if she talked to me all the time. But apart from work-related things and some nice things like Gigili's one, our communication is actually broken down to "Moin", "Tschüss" and "bis morgen" :(

Takkat

The red lamp is badly broken

OregonGhost

15:55

I never felt so alone in my office. That's why I'm currently mostly in another one, so I can't chat here ;)

Takkat

@OregonGhost it is revived by @Martin \o/

Gigili

@OregonGhost Oh, I', sorry to hear that.

Jez

@OregonGhost That's kind of like a 'gangbang' lamp

OregonGhost

@Gigili: Thank you. I'm quite sad about it, but can't do anything. Does not feel nice to be so helpless ;)

Martin

@Jez you just said what I was thinking

OregonGhost

15:57

@Jez: You know that the picture shows three lamps? ;)

Takkat

@OregonGhost Warum braucht dein(e) Kollege(in) drei Lampen?

Das sind doch 2 zuviel.

OregonGhost

@Takkat: Das ist ein Kollege, der auf diese Lampe schwört und sie auch zu Hause hat. Er braucht nur eine. Aber das Bild, das ich auf Anhieb gefunden habe, zeigt nun einmal drei ;)

Takkat

Ah - die Suggestivwirkung eines Werbefotos.

Nimm eine, zahle drei...

OregonGhost

Ja, das kommt auch ungefähr hin. Eine kostet um die 450€.

Takkat

Geht ja noch.... ;P

OregonGhost

16:02

Für eine Schreibtischlampe?^^

Die schmucke berührungssensitive Esstischlampe, die meine Eltern sich mal angeschafft haben (und die ein erstaunliches Eigenleben führt, ab und zu dimmt sie mal auf 0, dann auf voll, und dann wieder auf den ursprünglichen Wert), die kostet ungefähr genau so viel, hat aber fünf Leuchtmittel und sieht auch edler aus^^

Takkat

prediger.de/shop/lumina-ra-chrom.html die Vampirlampe in Kobraform

OregonGhost

Die finde ich ja fast schicker.

Takkat

Todschick!

Und sauteuer...

> Die ausgefallende Leuchte ist aus Metall und Technopolymer, die Lichtübertragung erfolgt durch Glasfaserkabel, wobei die Farbe des Lichtes mittels Filter in rot, grün und blau individuell wählbar ist.

Kein Wunder frisst die Euronen.

Gigili

Schick ist auch ein Persisch wort.

Takkat

Echt?

Bedeutet es das gleiche?

OregonGhost

16:07

Und was bedeutet es?

^^

Gigili

Ja, das gleiche.

Takkat

Und die Franzosen haben das von Euch übernommen?

Gigili

Umm, das wiess ich nicht ...

Takkat

Vielleicht waren es auch gar nicht die Franzosen. Grimm sagt, es kommt von schicken...

Cool: Das deutsche Wort "schick" wurde ins Französische übernommen (im Elsaß) und dort zu chic. Danach kam es aus Frankreich wieder nach Deutschland zurück!!!

Und wie kommt es nach oder von Persien?

OregonGhost

Und weg ist sie und hat mich nicht mal angesehen. Seufz^^

@Takkat: Das war ein Pingpong-Wort?^^

Takkat

16:15

lol

Nicht ansehen ist fies...

tröst: blinde Hühner taugen nichts.

<-- bin mal wieder weg: Abendessen

Gigili

@OregonGhost I recommend you to do the same thing.

Pay no attention to her, just an icy "morgen" and "tschüss".

I guess she feels your eyes are following her.

OregonGhost

@Gigili: My eyes are not following her most of the time, just when I expect her to look in my eyes. Like, you know, when going home or talking with each other.

Gigili

@OregonGhost Just do the same. It works.

OregonGhost

It works because we never ever talk again?^^

Gigili

Because it makes women nervous.

Julius

16:24

hi, is "bis zum Studiumabschluss bleibt mir noch eines Wintersemester" correct?

OregonGhost

@Julius "... bleibt mir noch ein Wintersemester"

@Gigili: It makes me nervous as well.

Gigili

@OregonGhost You're not less nervous now?

And why didn't reply to my email?

Julius

@OregonGhost ohh i think i get it. There's no adjective here, so no need for a suffix, right? Thanks!

OregonGhost

@Gigili Now that she's gone, or in general?

@Gigili There was an email? :X

The one on 2012-03-07?

Gigili

@OregonGhost In general. Do the same or worse, pretend that you're talking to a girl on the phone, things like that. It's evil but I guess it works.

@OregonGhost Umm, I'm not sure when it was but I waited for a reply.

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OregonGhost

16:36

@Gigili I like her really, but, umm, I'm not sure if you're just giving me advice to make her jealous? Because for now, I'd actually be fine if she would talk to me like she did three months ago. I don't know what has happened.

It was a happy two-people office back then.

I miss her.

Gigili

Oh, she has changed her behavior then.

Why don't you ask her?

OregonGhost

I asked her why she's talking much less to me than some time ago and she said that she doesn't agree.

Gigili

Umm, that's not as easy as I thought. Rather complicated.

OregonGhost

I actually have no choice; if this goes on, I have to invite her to an official conversation because, despite the problem being personal obviously, it heavily affects our work-relation.

Gigili

Everything was good a few months ago?

OregonGhost

16:43

Yes.

I answered the only email from you I found, by the way.

Gigili

Is that your primary email address? Do you check your inbox regularly?

OregonGhost

@Gigili: I meant I answered the email just now :X

It is actually secondary, like I use for most social services. I thought G+ would just notify over its app, if anyone wanted to contact me :)

Gigili

@OregonGhost You have no idea what the reason could be? Maybe she has someone else or something?

OregonGhost

@Gigili: Our current project depresses her, and I think she blames herself for a lot of the problems it had. And two weeks ago, when we drove home from the customer's site, she told me several related things (like me not having enough time for her, which is simply not true) I didn't know bothered her...

(it's not really easy to describe this in English for me (; )

Gigili

I sent an email.

@OregonGhost Now I think it's your fault.

OregonGhost

16:55

Just saw it.

@Gigili How? I can't even count all the overtime hours I did just to not let her alone with her problems.

Gigili

@OregonGhost Umm, maybe just something men don't understand. You had to do something special the time she mentioned that. You had a very good chance to attract her.

I have to go now, I'll check my email as soon as possible.

Good night!

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