deutschsprachiger Raum - 2012-03-01

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Takkat

07:10

Guten Morgen

1 hour later…

Gigili

08:39

Halllöchen

german.stackexchange.com/questions/4022/…

Takkat

08:50

Comments are worthless... we need answers!

Gigili

german.stackexchange.com/users/508/gigili?tab=reputation

We don't need use unknown here

Takkat

09:12

We do. We'd have nothing to discuss without.

May it be that we also need an occasional downvote to graduate?

Don't take it personal - your question is good.

They may only want to huff you..

Gigili

Obviously. It's just a random downvote.

Takkat

It is.

Gigili

Is hortoque (in AU) German?

Takkat

he is.

Gigili

Why don't you ask him to join GLU?

Takkat

09:27

I did months ago - he said he was not so much interested in language.

Gigili

Guessed so.

Is there a way to find out who downvoted?

Takkat

No there deliberately is no way. They are supposed to be anonymous per design.

You can only guess from who was there by the time when you got it... But then its only a guess. Any of 1341 users could have been it.

no: 1347 \o/ we are constantly growing.

Gigili

09:55

Uhum, we are.

6 hours later…

Takkat

16:12

Feierabend! bis später. Wo bleiben die Fragen heute?

Gigili

16:24

Nirgendwo.

2 hours later…

Takkat

18:42

@Gigili nicht eine einzige :"( :"(

Takkat

18:52

user image

Gigili

OMG, don't cry.

Should I ask some questions?

I won't because W doesn't like my questions.

Takkat

Anybody is welcome to do so. W don't matters.

You matter. Your questions are good

I have to wait for another ten questions to post my next...

Gigili

Maybe @LadybugKiller have an idea to make the site more active?

Takkat

Has but won't tell.

Gigili

Well then, old people ...

Takkat

18:58

Tell all the young people that it is a good thing to ask.

Gigili

They don't understand!

Takkat

Tell all the old people to tell all the young people to ask.

Old people tend to know everything already.

If not they say its not important.

They lie.

Things you know are not important any more. Gaining knowlege is the way to ageing. Not knowing much is being young. Asking a lot is a "Jungbrunnen".

</banalities>

Gigili

Young people are dumb.

Takkat

19:13

They are not when they ask.

People that never ask will stay dumb forever.

درک

Was that it?

Gigili

Was that what?

Takkat

Verstehen = Hölle

Gigili

Nein nein

umm, vielleicht

1 min ago, by Takkat

Verstehen = Hölle

So funktioniert's.

Takkat

Ich kann überhaupt kein Persisch und kenne mich auch mit den Schriftzeichen nicht aus. Aber ein Wort, das nur durch die Betonung seinen Sinn ändert, das interessiert mich!

@Gigili ich wollte aber weinen.

(aber nur kurz)

Gigili

Es ist nur Aussprache

- darak / - dark

Takkat

19:23

Dark wie im Englischen?

Dunkelheit?

Gigili

Nein, dark - 'a' wie in 'cat'

"dark" = verstehen

"darak" = Hölle

Takkat

Also höllisch verstehen. Das ist ja die Hölle.

Höllisch interessant.

Gigili

Höllisch langweilig.

Takkat

Höllisch wahr.

Gigili

Höllisch ruhend.

Takkat

19:30

Seit ein paar Tagen überlege ich mir eine höllisch gute Frage zur Hölle und ihrem eigentümlich positiv verstärkenden Einfluß...

Aber das ist höllisch schwierig in eine gute Frage zu packen.

Gigili

Nichts wie ran

Ich kann dir helfen.

Takkat

Ich habe dann halt erstmal die Hexenfrage genommen.

Ich kann unmöglich mehr als 10% aller Fragen hier stellen. Das geht gar nicht. Lieber wären mir nur 1-2%.

Aber dann müssten wir 10x mehr Fragen haben.

Gigili

Es gibt aber keine Wahl.

Takkat

Und es müssten auch einfache Fragen dabei sein, sonst kommen wir nicht zu den Antworten.

30% unanswered - ein Alptraum!

Gigili

Ja, was ist mit eine einfache und eine schwere?

Takkat

19:35

Die einfachen bekommen 2 close votes. Die schweren nur eine Antwort.

Und die ganz schweren haben über 5 Antworten.

Gigili

2 mins ago, by Gigili

Es gibt aber keine Wahl.

Takkat

:D

Gigili

We have a little time, I'll bring my German course book- We can find something together.

Takkat

spiegel.de/thema/zwiebelfisch - 100 Fragen stehen da schon fast fertig.

philhist.uni-augsburg.de/lehrstuehle/germanistik/… weitere 100 Fragen auch schon fast fertig.

Die Antworten, die da vorgegeben scheinen, müssen nicht stimmen!

Gigili

100 Fragen?

Wo?

Takkat

19:42

Das sind alles umstrittene und schwierige Themen der deutschen Sprache, die dort besprochen werden.

Alenanno

Hello!

Takkat

Hi @Alenanno

Gigili

Hi

Alenanno

:)

Gigili

We're trying to find some interesting questions to ask, but we've asked many question. So it might be annoying for some people. Maybe you could ask some questions?

Alenanno

19:45

Oh! Well, why should you stop yourselves? You can ask as many questions as you wish, as long as they're of good quality, but I don't think there's a problem in that... :D

Gigili

Umm ...

The whole site is going to be ghost room soon.

Alenanno

There is a limit of questions 6 per day and 50 per month, I guess...

why?

You have 503 visits per day! We have 224/227 in Linguistics.

Takkat

duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/persisch lists all german words with Persian roots.

Gigili

Wow, liwan

Takkat

well, some words are not really used much.

But used enough to have made it for Duden ;)

You may find interesting relations or even errors.

Gigili

19:54

Yes, someone else told me they are mostly outdated.

Thanks for coming @Alenanno anyway.

Alenanno

@Gigili No problem! :)

Takkat

@Gigili what is outdated?

oh - the Persian words... you may look with Google.

Gigili

Yes, the German words with Persian eymology.

Takkat

I see there are a billion Liwan Hotels...

David Wallace

That can't be right.

Takkat

20:04

Hi @DavidWallace - what is not right?

David Wallace

A billion Liwan hotels. Of course, I don't know what Liwan means, but I think I would have noticed that many of any sort of hotel.

Takkat

I was just googling for Liwan on German sites.

All hotels...

Even though Duden (major German dictionary) lists this word...

David Wallace

... just reading backwards .... and the Persian etymology (thanks Gigili) explains why it doesn't sound much like a German word.

Gigili

Yek Liwan ab = a glass of water

Takkat

Duden says something about architecture... :/

David Wallace

20:13

Weird!

Takkat

Indeed.

David Wallace

Gigili - do you speak Persian?

Gigili

I do.

user image

^ Liwan

Alenanno

Oh nice... Can you write the Farsi transcription too?

Gigili

لیوان

Alenanno

20:15

Cool. :D

David Wallace

That's so much more interesting than the standard collection of major European languages. The writing looks cool too.

Gigili

Yes, we're cool like that.

Alenanno

Many writing scripts look nice.

:P

Gigili

For example?

Alenanno

I kind of like all of them. lol

Tamil is nice too.

And Asian languages.

I like the Arabic one too, of course.

Greek, Russian...

David Wallace

20:19

Is the Farsi script related to Arabic? Or are its roots different?

Alenanno

Like I said, I kind of like them all. :D

Takkat

Sütterlin?

David Wallace

I find cyrillic italics ugly and hard to read.

Alenanno

They are a bit hard to read at first, but they are not as ambiguous as it seems.

Gigili

The have the same root, I believe. Except that Arabic doesn't have 5 special letters and it's written with some symbol and signs.

Wow @Takkat, my question is also answered there: philhist.uni-augsburg.de/lehrstuehle/germanistik/…

"Ich bin die/der Gigili"

Alenanno

20:21

@Takkat Is that a writing script?

Takkat

it was a handwriting my grandfather learned at school.

Alenanno

@Takkat Oh, so it's like a... font? :D

Takkat

Sütterlinschrift

Die Sütterlinschriften, meist auch einfach Sütterlin genannt, sind zwei 1911 im Auftrag des preußischen Kultur- und Schulministeriums von Ludwig Sütterlin entwickelte Ausgangsschriften. Neben der bekannteren deutschen Sütterlinschrift, die eine spezielle Form der deutschen Kurrentschrift ist, entwickelte Ludwig Sütterlin auch eine weniger bekannte, stilistisch vergleichbare lateinische Sütterlinschrift. Geschichte Es war im 19. Jahrhundert in England Mode geworden, mit der neu entwickelten stählernen Spitzfeder zu schreiben. Die sehr schräge englische Schreibschrift mit ihren großen ...

Gigili

I guess we had a question about it.

Alenanno

@Takkat It looks nice!

Takkat

20:23

There are those letters on the attic nobody can read anymore

Gigili

Yes, nice as in impossible to read or to make sense of it.

David Wallace

@Gigili What does a letter have to do to be considered special?

Takkat

@Gigili question on which one?

Alenanno

@Gigili Why do you say that... :P Nice as in nice. :D

Gigili

@DavidWallace I meant those letters are widely used in Persian somehow, if it has anything to do with special!

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Q: When can the Sütterlin be expected to be understood?

To which extent can I expect German-speakers to understand Sütterlinschrift? In which of the following situations would it be fine to use it? Written exam in German Written exam in physics Residence application and other offical forms Letter to a company Postcard to a friend, <30 years old P...

David Wallace

20:25

Oh, you mean "not found in Arabic", yeah?

Gigili

Exactly that.

Takkat

That. :)

We soon will have questions on everything!

My favourite letters: საქართველო

საქართველო

საქართველო — სახელმწიფო ევრაზიაში, კავკასიაში, შავი ზღვის აღმოსავლეთ სანაპიროზე. ესაზღვრება ჩრდილოეთიდან რუსეთი, სამხრეთიდან თურქეთი და სომხეთი, და სამხრეთ-აღმოსავლეთიდან აზერბაიჯანი. ტრანსკონტინენტური ქვეყანა სამხრეთაღმოსავლეთ ევროპისა და დასავლეთ აზიის გასაყარზე მდებარეობს, თუმცა სოციოპოლიტიკურად და კულტურულად ევროპის ნაწილია. თანამედროვე საქართველოს ტერიტორია მუდმივად დასახლებული იყო ადრეული ქვის ხანიდან მოყოლებული. კლასიკურ ანტიკურ ხანაში აყვავდა ადრეული ქართული სახელმწიფოები კოლხეთი და იბერია, რამაც დასაბამი მისდა საერთო ქართულ კულტურასა და სახელმწიფოებრიობას. ქრისტიანობა გაბატონდა...

Gigili

@DavidWallace We make fun of them because they cannot pronounce a word containing those letters : گچ پژ

David Wallace

!!! I'm not sure that I can either :-)

Takkat

@Gigili impossible to c&p to google translate >:(

David Wallace

20:29

@Gigili How many letters is that exactly? It's hard to tell where each begins and ends.

Gigili

Five. if you consider "ء" as a letter.

David Wallace

You seem to have a knack of making me feel extremely stupid.

I suppose it would be unreasonable of me to ask you to describe how they are pronounced.

Gigili

Oh no, not really. That's how it works!

For example: "پتو"

Means "blanket"

The first letter is one of them.

I think Google translate will help about pronunciation.

پتو به نوعی روانداز گویند که معمولاً در هنگام خواب بر روی خود می‌کشند. پتوها می‌توانند از لایه‌های مختلفی ساخته شده باشند. بعضی از این لایه‌ها برای گرم نگه داشتن و بعضی دیگر تنها برای زیبایی به کار رفته است. nds-nl:Dèken

David Wallace

I don't know how to get Google Translate to show me pronunciation.

Gigili

Me neither.

mylanguages.org/persian_alphabet.php

David Wallace

20:38

I like the way it translates the page that you embedded; especially "others are used only for beauty". This sounds so delightful.

Gigili

This one is also interesting: archive.org/stream/dictionaryinper00ramduoft#page/2/mode/2up

David Wallace

@Gigili I'm a bit suspicious of the letter that claims, on this page, to be pronounced like "f" as in "Persian".

Gigili

Pft, that's wrong.

I guess it's supposed to be "Farsi" instead of that.

Takkat

We say "Pfirsich" in German.

Gigili

What does it mean?

Takkat

20:46

It's a peach, originating from persischer Apfel

David Wallace

I bet someone did a search and replace. Like if that page originally referred to the language as "Farsi", then somebody decided to change all references to "Farsi" into "Persian", for whatever reason, and didn't realise they were breaking the pronunciation guide.

Takkat

"Pfirsich" is widely pronounced like "Fersich" in Germany

Gigili

@DavidWallace Oh, it's likely, Didn't think of that.

@Takkat I'm wondering how it's related to persischer Apfel

David Wallace

Interesting. The English word peach ultimately comes from the Latin malum persicum, which also means Persian apple.

Takkat

> (aus lat. malum Persicum, dieses wiederum von griech. μῆλον Περσικόν mêlon Persikón „persischer Apfel“; botanischer Name Prunus persica)

Wikipedia

David Wallace

20:49

OK, remove "ultimately" from my last comment then :-)

Does that mean I can use the words "peachy" and "Persian" interchangeably :-)?

@Takkat Does that apply to other German words with Pf? Like should I pronounce Pferd as Ferd, for example?

Takkat

You can, but its regional.

David Wallace

and will probably become more widespread with time.

Takkat

It already is quite widespread.

Even here in Swabia many people talk like this.

It is considered correct to be honest.

(but it isn't)

That's the good thing about having so many dialects. Any pronunciation goes well. ;)

1 hour later…

Gigili

22:09

umm, all of them left the room?

Takkat

not quite.

They stopped talking and disappeared.

Gigili

Except you, very nice.

Takkat

I stopped too.

Gigili

We better manage the country together.

Takkat

Countrymanagement?

Die ganze Zeit denke ich, es ist Freitag und morgen ist schon Wochenende.

Gigili

22:13

Uhum.

Takkat

Und dann stelle ich fest, es ist Donnerstag.

Deprimierend!

Gigili

takkatandgigilimanagethecountry.com

Takkat

:D

Gigili

Du musst noch ein Tag warten

Takkat

Ja, das kann ich.

Aber nicht gerne.

Jeder Tag ist ein wertvoller Tag

Außer Montag.

Morgen sollten wir 5 mal so viele Fragen haben.

Gigili

22:15

Genau so.

Takkat

2

Zum Heulen.

Nein das Bild kommt nicht.

Gigili

Jup

Takkat

Montag heißt es dann wieder 1.3 questions/day needs work

Gigili

If not worrying

Takkat

Und wenn wir Pech haben 499 visitors needs work

worrying hatten wir noch nie, oder?

2 visitors worrying

Did the SE day just turn?

Gigili

22:19

Umm, think so

Das ist kein Beinbruch.

Takkat

Then we have only one question today.

considers the picture

Gigili

Which picture?

Not again :P

Takkat

No, not again.

user image

Better?

Gigili

Yikes.

Takkat

Lätsch

Gigili

22:22

Doesn't he have a mouth?

Takkat

Nein er hat eine Lätsch

Laccio - Lasche - Lätsch

Gigili

I didn't understand your question well

Takkat

Es gibt kein hochdeutsches Wort dafür.

Schnute ist zwar o.k., aber die sieht anders aus.

Gigili

Lätsch means someone without mouth?

Takkat

Its when you move your lower lip to the outermost point.

When annoyed, sad or disappointed.

Or angry.

Gigili

22:27

Oh cool

Takkat

Is there a Persian word for that facial expression?

Gigili

But the picture is really disgusting

Takkat

It is but the others were all kids.

Gigili

We have a word for the person, not the action

Takkat

I see.

David Wallace

22:29

@Gigili Sorry, it was nothing personal. I went and got breakfast.

And I had nothing to add, on the pros and cons of one's language having many dialects.

Takkat

user image

Schnute

Aber keine Lätsch.

David Wallace

There is an old joke about a poor Croatian man in Belgrade. He went up to a Serbian soldier and begged for bread. The soldier shot him.

To understand this joke, you need to know that the word for bread is one that differs between the Serbian and Croatian dialects of their language.

Takkat

Serbians and Croatians consider their language each to be one of their own, not a dialect.

David Wallace

But I don't. Anyway, the point is that there are disadvantages to having many dialects.

Takkat

It is a major disadvantage, I agree ;)

As a native German you can trave to places where you don't understand a single word they are talking.

Not even when they try to make it understandable.

It must be hard for a foreigner to get that.

Gigili

22:38

I hate It about German.

And that's why I like Hanover the most.

Takkat

I try to learn some of these dialects. It is almost impossible.

David Wallace

I had a conversation once with a Swiss woman, who spoke SchweizerDeutsch very rapidly, while I spoke NZ schoolkid German very slowly. She understood me just fine, but the converse was not true.

Gigili

@DavidWallace No problem at all. We complain all the time when we're alone here.

David Wallace

I felt we might have been better off in French. I had forgotten when I offered to speak German with her that SchweizerDeutsch is so different.

Takkat

It is entirely different. They even use different words, not to speak of the pronunciation.

I grew up close to the Swiss border - so its only a small problem for me. But still not easy.

I always wondered how they can live with speaking so much different to writing. Amazing.

David Wallace

22:44

I've often wondered that too.

Takkat

I like Martin Suter a lot. A Swiss author who writes brilliant novels.

But you almost can't tell he is Swiss from the books.

Only sometimes there is a different word choice.

Gigili

So they just speak differently? When it comes to writing, they're German?

Takkat

That's it.

You can read any Swiss Newspaper, Book or whatsoever.

They don't have an ß and use the Guillemets. That's almost all difference.

Some words don't exist in Germany but they don't really matter.

nzz.ch

No difference.

stuttgarter-nachrichten.de

Gigili

Great.

Takkat

They speak "Hochdeutsch" in Swiss TV as well.

But its always "Mundart" outside.

ask @Lukas - where is he?

David Wallace

22:52

One Swiss man told me that Swiss German should be considered a spoken language only; there is no written equivalent to it.

Like Cantonese.

Takkat

That's probably true.

Gigili

@Lukas and @Oregonghost disappeared suddenly.

Takkat

smells of vacation time

^is that a Germanism?

Das riecht nach Urlaub.

David Wallace

Not an expression I would use. But "vacation" is an American word.

Takkat

we say smells of when we suspect sth.

I suspect they are on holiday.

Gigili

22:57

Huh, I found a very cute avatar.

Takkat

Where, what, when, who?

Gigili

It's time to get rid of that eye.

"Is that you in the picture?"

Takkat

:D

Gigili

"No, it's my father, you $#@&%$@*$%&@$#"

Takkat

Who asked that?

David Wallace

22:58

We say "stinks of" it we suspect it in a bad way.

Takkat

I mean even OrgenGhost was asked if that is him in the picture ;P

Gigili

Heh, right.

Takkat

@DavidWallace riecht nach has no negative connotation.

David Wallace

@Gigili whoever asked this was probably trying to ascertain whether you are an attractive woman, or a man pretending to be an attractive woman.

Takkat

<--- this is how I really look like! It's me!!!

David Wallace

23:01

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

Gigili

I see.

That's really something.

If they don't know, asking won't change the situation.

David Wallace

I got asked the same question, but not for the same reason.

Somebody thought I might have been using the photo of a famous writer, instead of my own photo.

@Gigili Well, yes.

Gigili

It's called "internet", don't trust yourself on the internet.

Takkat

gigiligeister.de/wp

Did you know of them?

Gigili

Whoa, no

Takkat

23:06

:)

Gigili

I just made up the word myself

How cruel

Takkat

By the time I chose Takkat I have not found a single entry from Google.

That changed over the years.

Gigili

We should have saved them somewhere as "GIGILI, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED"

Takkat

TAKKAT, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED too

There even is a .com domain now :"(

Gigili

That sucks.

Takkat

23:12

My other name is somewhat better but still used in very different other contexts.

Only my real name can't be found (yet) \o/

Gigili

Cool, what is it? whistling

Takkat

wrong guess, it is not whistling ;)

:D

Gigili

:D

Takkat

We should have chosen $#@&%$@*$%&@$#

But even that may exist.

But it can't be googled.

Try it.

> Ungefähr 25.270.000.000 Ergebnisse (0,36 Sekunden)

Gigili

but that means we insulted ourselves.

1

A: Has "scheiße" become a "normal" word?

While the general trend is that "Scheiße" is not too bad, there are some offensive uses, e.g. addressing a person as "Stück Scheiße" or "Scheißkerl", or seriously criticizing the actions of a person: "Das war jetzt wirklich Scheiße von dir!". Of course this depends very much on the context. If s...

Upvote that answer please, @Takkat.

Takkat

23:18

:)

Gigili

=)

Takkat

I don't like the list however... :/ I'll upvote after someone downvoted.

Gigili

Which list?

Takkat

2

A: Reference request: irregular adjectives

gut, besser, am besten viel, mehr, am meisten gern, lieber, am liebsten hoch, höher, am höchsten dunkel, dunkler, am dunkelsten teuer, teurer, am teuersten groß, größer, am größten arg, ärger, am ärgsten bange, banger / bänger, am bangsten / bängsten blass, blasser / ...

Boa - its not Friday - I better be off to bed. Good night all!

Gigili

@Takkat Good night, sleep well.

I'm off to bed as well, Good night @DavidWallace.

David Wallace

23:23

Good night Takkat.

Good night Gigili

Nice talking to you both.

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