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Takkat

07:53

Guten Morgen zusammen

Lukas

Guten Morgen

Takkat

08:15

Done

Lukas

08:29

Hast du einen neuen Job? :)

Takkat

Fast schon. Habe meine Posts hier "gesäubert" - es waren zum Glück nur wenige.

Gigili

09:14

What? you removed all pictures? =\

Guten Morgen @all.

Lukas

Hi @Gigili

Gigili

Hi Lukas.

Takkat

@Gigili I only replaced them with links to them. The pictures are still there to be recovered immediately by just adding a single '!' in the posts. I don't want to congest the Internet ;P

Guten Morgen auch noch.

Gigili

@Takkat Heh, they're useful (to understand the question) as hell.

Takkat

Sometimes they are not. I left some images anyway

But the worms, the oranges, the huge scan of an antique book etc. are not really needed.

I left the pug though because I really believe we need this there to make the question interesting at all.

Gigili

09:28

Um, That's completely optional.

And the rosenssonntag

Or whatever it's called

Takkat

I was told that every child knows what a Rosenmontag is.

But I mostly had a reason to post an image...

Gigili

Oh? I'm old enough (at least I feel so) and I knew absolutely nothing about it before your post ..

Takkat

Knowing that knowing may be not so from people that never saw a Rosenmontagsumzug. To answer the question we don't need an image.

Gigili

But to get an idea about what's going on and what's being asked, we need.

Takkat

@Gigili same for Butzen >90% of Germans never saw any.

@Gigili then make this an answer to the meta post and let people vote for it?

I also believe we need occasional eye-catchers to make the site a bit more colorful - but I may be alone by this.

Gigili

09:34

Yeah, I decided to do it but then I saw you removed them

Takkat

Do it for the future and for other people that may not dare to post images.

We are the community who decide what we like to see and what is off topic.

Gigili

@Takkat No, I completely agree. your pictures were large sometimes but helpful.

Takkat

I was too lazy to make them smaller, I admit.

Still they are never rendered larger than the text.

If you make them smaller they just leave an empty space at the right side.

Gigili

About you trousers question @Takkat, isn't it similar in English?

Takkat

I thought trousers as as noun is always plural.

Gigili

09:38

Oh, I guess I misunderstood you there

Takkat

english.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/trousers

We do have this too - but we can also use singular. What puzzles me is that it is not always interchangeable.

Takkat

09:59

@Gigili: ty for the meta post :)

Gigili

@Takkat Sure thing. =)

Ladybug Killer

10:22

@Takkat, ich hab Deine Frage so geändert, wie ich sie verstehe. Schau mal nach, ob's noch stimmt.

Takkat

@LadybugKiller: Klasse - ich bin begeistert!

Ladybug Killer

Jetzt übertreib mal nich

Takkat

Wieso nicht, es ist wirklich gut geworden.

Gigili

10:53

@Takkat I didn't know the term plurale tantum , would be nice if you could link to the WP article

Takkat

Done :)

Gigili

Thank you.

Takkat

I didn't do it for you, because you know it now :P

(well, I did it for you so that you can see that your ideas are welcome)

Gigili

Thank you very much then. :P

But @Takkat, I think it's time for our site to launch beta phase. Do we need to post something on Meta.stackoverflow to get their attention?

Takkat

I don't know, they may want to wait a bit longer to see how it goes. Still, we need more questions/day.

Gigili

11:00

It's a long time and I guess users tend to lose their interest about the site

Takkat

Visits/day are constantly increasing so are registered users.

But I have no idea how many users we lost again...

What I know is, that some very active users don't show up any more... :"(

Gigili

Exactly

And we need them more than new users, to provide answers

Takkat

Maybe it is normal?

Gigili

We have only 3-4 avid users who can answer questions completely as expert or something

The number of registered users might be doubled but there soon will be no one to answer questions

Takkat

We suck on answers/questions too.

Gigili

11:05

Uhum

Takkat

But still only 1 question is unanswered. So no reason to worry.

Gigili

We suck at almost everything.

Takkat

But I still like it here :)

We have 32 +2k users - that is a lot!

Gigili

I'm not worried or anything, I just think we spent enough time in beta. Whether they reject the proposal or they approve it. It's getting boring ..

Takkat

...I'd love to link us as reference to Wikipedia articles.

This can't be done from beta.

Gigili

11:12

Uhum ...

Takkat

11:22

Should we have more questions that can easily be answered?

They might be boring or closed as off topic because of general reference...

So few questions you can't answer with the help of Google.

But then, we also want to be part of the Google experience, don't we?

Gigili

@Takkat Of course we do, it's how it works. ELU attracts visitors mostly from Google.

But we need some famous questions, maybe about grammar

What a learner would look for in Google

Takkat

I asked a grammar question today :P

Gigili

That was a great question, like all of your questions.

Takkat

What would a learner look for? My limited imaginative powers fail there.

It is so long ago when I was a learner. But I could ask my kids.

Em1

12:04

> Ist die Redewendung Eulen nach Athen tragen eigentlich hinfällig?

Takkat

Ist Eulen dann ein Pluraletantum?

Em1

In dem Kontext, ja. Weil die Ironie ist hinfällig, wenn man von einer Eule redet.

Takkat

Eulen heulen in Athen... ich hör' schon den Schlager bei Silbereisen :D

Gigili

13:13

@Takkat I don't know, what I and Tim asked or maybe some grammatical points. About idioms or something, I don't know really. I should think about a good question

Takkat

You had a lot of nice questions, I remember that.

Gigili

Why thank you. =)

Takkat

There is always the question whether a question is nice if it can be answered quickly or whether it is nice when an answer is hard to find...

Both kinds of questions are needed to make GL&U interesting for many people.

As many as possible.

Gigili

Yes, plus that it should make others say "interesting, I'd ask it myself"

Or "Yeah, I was wondering too"

Takkat

Or "What a dull answer - I'll make it better" :P

Em1

13:22

That means we only should give bad answers? ;p

Gigili

Or "whoa, I didn't know that"

Takkat

Or "This gives me an idea for another question"

@Em1 giving bad answers is strictly prohibited and will be punished with down votes.

Gigili

13:38

But we cannot punish users as they deserve it while we're in beta.

"Hey don't downvote this answer, the new user will flee"

Takkat

Only the good ones flee. The bad ones stay.

Em1

:D wie recht du hast

Gigili

@Takkat They'll make you flee.

Takkat

13:54

I flew out because of a major network disaster.

The admin had to login on my box. Of course without you lurking around ;)

Gigili

I thought you were proud of us as your friends, who better than us, really?

Takkat

I am not supposed to do such things here at work.

Noone better than you - but that is general reference ;)

Gigili

:D

Chill out.

Takkat

Ich bin heute ein Eiszapfen.

Em1

14:21

Ich meld mich ab.

Und wenn ihr brav seid, schicke ich euch ein wenig Sonne, damit der Eiszapfen auftaut.

Bye bye

Takkat

Ja, @Em1 schönen Urlaub und erhol Dich gut

Hoffe Du hast für hier eine Vertretung für Dich organisiert.

Kairo: 15°C 75% Regen...

ok ok: Hurghada 27°C sonnig.

Takkat

18:30

<-- re-entering the world of GL&U

Gigili

18:43

^ How?

Takkat

wildely ;)

Gigili

Whut? You're re-entering the GL&U world widely?

Takkat

19:01

No the GL&U world is only a small part of the whole world that I am in.

So it's quite easy to re-enter.

Meine heutige Frage scheint in die Hose zu gehen. Zu viele Kommentare und zu wenig Antwort.

Gigili

19:18

Keine Antwort, als ich kann sehen?

Takkat

Keine ist viel zu wenig.

Man könnte alle Kommentare per copy/paste in eine Antwort schieben...

To vote them down then evil grin

Gigili

XD

Takkat

21:39

@Gigili I think the new doch question is not really a dupe to your doch question even though it is perfectly answered by your question then...

Answering questions by questions...

Gigili

Juhuu, a new user ...

Takkat

\o/

Let's celebrate.

Gigili

but I don't understand the question =\

es ist meine Schuld

Doch

Is that what he meant?

Takkat

No, it's confusing I had to read 4 times.

Q: It's not your fault. - A: Doch, es ist meine Schuld.

That works like the example you gave in the first paragraph of your question.

duden.de/rechtschreibung/doch_dennoch see number 3.

Gigili

Are you sure?

Takkat

21:45

Not quite but almost ;P

Gigili

Bah, that's not what I understood

Takkat

I had to read it another 2 times.

Gigili

Five times till now

es ist doch meine Schuld

I think the OP is asking if he can negate it with doch

Or something

Takkat

8 times now - I don't quite get it. In fact it is getting worse.

Gigili

That's ambiguous as hell

I don't understand what's being asked anymore

Takkat

21:50

It's hell. I commented.

Typos in comments are hell too.

Gigili

Huh

Takkat

I edited out 6 or 7 just now...

Gigili

Maybe he's asking if by adding doch it'd mean it's my fault , not yours

Takkat

You know better why you asked a question about "doch". This word is hell :D

Wenn das doch doch nicht so doof wäre, doch es ist es doch.

Doch, doch, das stimmt, auch wenn man denkt, das stimmt doch gar nicht.

Gigili

Doch doch doch

Takkat

21:55

Ha, Du hast es verstanden?

bin kurz weg

Gigili

I guess so =\

Takkat

22:07

nur kurz!

@Gigili - guess your edit made it look better.

Oh an answer - similarly confusing because we have nothing on emphasis. I told you. "Doch" is a wonderful word from hell.

Gigili

22:23

@Takkat Yeah, I dare say.

It's a good answer, I think.

Takkat

Some of doch-meanings are missing. In fact we need the precise context to tell. Or a short story with all variants of doch

A: Peter, Du hast hoffentlich nicht das Glas verschüttet.

B: Doch, es ist meine Schuld.

A: Gabi, geh die Pfütze aufwischen!

B: Aber warum Gabi? Es ist doch meine Schuld!

A: Die Gabi hat das Glas an den Rand gestellt.

B: Also ist es doch nicht meine Schuld?

Gigili

I'm going to hate the word

Takkat

A: Du hättest besser aufpassen müssen.

B: Also ist es doch meine Schuld.

@Gigili Best thing to do.

End of the story:

Gabi says: "Ich putze das nie und nimmer, es ist doch nicht meine Schuld!"

I just can't put all this in an answer that will not be confusing.

Gigili

But that was great story, with about a million doch's

It's too late, I must go to bed. Good night @Takkat.

Takkat

Gute Nacht, schlaf gut @Gigili

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