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Astrum

00:48

@NevikRehnel nytimes.com/2014/03/26/technology/…

Astrum

06:07

So... I know this is a long video, but I really can't make out anything other than a few words... so.... what's happening here? youtube.com/watch?v=ULq1r1LveVM @Takkat

oh wait... you don't have any sound at work...

I'm able to gather that it's something to do with Germans in Austrian

Em1

06:22

@Takkat Staaten und Mexiko

@Astrum Der Hund hat keinen Fahrschein ^^

Und die haben beide eine an der Klatsche. :)

Astrum

What dog? @Em1

Em1

@Astrum Her dog. ;)

Astrum

she had a dog?

...

Em1

Well, apparently. According to what she said.

Astrum

I don't understand why I hardly understood any of it... it could just be because it's too fast

Em1

06:26

However, later on she's talking about other things, like terror, discrimination. She's got crazy when he touches her, and seemingly something takes her bag away.

Astrum

I could see either way that woman has some psychological problems

Em1

Well, in the beginning I can't understand him either. But she's very easily understandable, especially when shouting.

Astrum

the other guy is speaking Wienerisch?

Em1

Maybe. I don't know.

Astrum

why doesn't the conductor kick her out?

people like that need to be removed...

Em1

06:29

I'm pretty sure there isn't any conductor.

How often do you see a conductor in the metro? ;)

Astrum

that's true

but I've never been on a subway or "metro", so I don't know.

I know that on our public trains, the conductors come around to collect tickets, and there's usually some employee around every couple of cars

Em1

On a train, yes. But that's actually the only place where I've ever seen one.

Anyway. Got to get to work now.

Have a nice day.

Astrum

alright, see ya later @Em1

time to bug @Takkat

@Takkat wake

@Takkat up

@Takkat schaffe schaffe häusle baue

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Nevik Rehnel

07:10

@Astrum lol

Astrum

FB needs to be shut DOWN

Nevik Rehnel

why

just because they do what the market is there for?

Astrum

Becuase they're too big

it's absurd

Nevik Rehnel

there is no "too big" in a free market

and free market is what america is all about, no?

Astrum

Intagram, whatsapp, oculus rift

what's next

Nevik Rehnel

07:11

google certainly isnt

because google is bigger and youre not complaining

Astrum

I don't agree with the American system

I am

I think it's all broken and needs fixing

free market is nice when you don't have super massive companies that own practically everything you buy

Nevik Rehnel

only youre on the short end of the stick

or the market, as it were

Astrum

I wonder what'll happen to the oculus rift now

Notch already canceled any deal with them for MC

Nevik Rehnel

probably nothing too bad or unexpected

they've already done their most important job (making VR a market reality)

Astrum

isn't one of the nice things about it that it's open source?

Nevik Rehnel

07:14

virtually all big games being produced now have VR support

@Astrum it's not

it's as commercial a product as any AAA game or facebook is

Astrum

eh, we'll see. I think it's really twisted though

Nevik Rehnel

ive long since giving up worrying about the market, esp. the american one

not like i can influence it

Astrum

"Corporations are people"

Nevik Rehnel

there are better places to invest my energy

Astrum

the situation isn't much greater in the EU though, either

your corporations essentially run the government too. Maybe not like it is here, but still

on a different note, I think it's interesting that "gefragt" has such a different meaning than it's parent "fragen"

Nevik Rehnel

07:18

so

how so

it's just the perfect form

Astrum

well wiktionary says it means "to be in demand, requested"

Nevik Rehnel

oh you mean like wanted

Astrum

to be in demand is the interesting one

yeah

Nevik Rehnel

wanted is just as weird/different

Astrum

how?

Nevik Rehnel

07:20

in english, someone wants the thing/person; in german, someone asks for it

there's really nothing weird about either

Astrum

oh

Nevik Rehnel

in fact, demand (market) is "Nachfrage"

Astrum

aber ich will dich

Nevik Rehnel

thanks i'm not into dudes at the moment

Astrum

dude

I never told you a story about a creepy gay German guy that used to bother me on skype

this guy was weird

I thought I was talking to the guy that the song Mein Teil is about

Nevik Rehnel

07:22

lol

Astrum

seriously, he tried to convince me to meet him in Munich

and tried to tell me how "young" he looked

oh, that brings me to a question

Nevik Rehnel

finally :P

Astrum

"Ich mag dich" is not really "ok" to tell another man, right? (unless you're gay)

Nevik Rehnel

that really depends on a million social factors

Astrum

hm

Nevik Rehnel

07:24

it's not generally not okay

Astrum

well, I remember him saying "ich mag dich, ich mag dich", and I thought it was kinda weird that he used "mag"

Nevik Rehnel

i think that was just due to the fact that that guy was weird overall

Astrum

but is it ok to tell a friend "ich mag dich"?

Nevik Rehnel

sure

it's just something you dont usually have to tell people, same as in english

Takkat

Why is everybody convinced I get up as early as 7 AM... this is my time to dream of better days! @Astrum, @Em1, @NevikRehnel, and @Astrum again, to ping @Astrum often...

Guten Morgen!

Nevik Rehnel

07:26

@Takkat ping

ich glaub ich hab dich heute noch nicht erwaehnt

Astrum

but it's stronger than "du gefällst mir"?

@Takkat greetings, ping again

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum ehhh. depending on context, they're about the same

Astrum

so, how about another question

Takkat

@Astrum knows how to repeat pings /o\

Astrum

@Takkat herroooooooooo

so the word süß

Takkat

07:29

you know that Chinese stereotypes can't pronounce the 'r' but use the 'l' instead when talking Gelman?

Nevik Rehnel

yes

Takkat

Süß != sauer

Astrum

when you use it for a person, does it need to agree with the gender of the person? "du bist süße" for a girl?

Nevik Rehnel

suess != die meisten woerter

Astrum

@Takkat wow... I'm not sure what to think

Nevik Rehnel

07:30

@Astrum i dont think i get your question

Takkat

Yeah, use it for girls: süße Jungs... na ja.

Astrum

hm

Nevik Rehnel

oh it seems Takkat does

nvm~

Astrum

ah

I thought so

Takkat

Kinder sind immer süß.

(solange sie nicht anderen Eltern gehören und brüllen)

Astrum

07:31

children are pure evil

Nevik Rehnel

<--- wartet auf neuen TV

bleib daher morgens von der Arbeit daheim, da ich sonst tagelang Hermes hinterherspringen muss :<

Astrum

I saw this sentence "Ich würde versuche mich ein wenig zu spezialisieren"

Nevik Rehnel

caps for the sake of it

Astrum

I'd ___ a little to specialize

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum versuche**n**

Astrum

07:33

I'm confused though

is it missing a comma?

Nevik Rehnel

no, an n

"Ich wuerde versuchen, mich ein wenig zu spezialisieren" (the comma is technically optional, though most people would put it in written language)

leo de-en: versuchen

Astrum

I thought it should have been :Ich würde mich versuchen, ein wenig zu spezialiseren"

but that doesn't make sense...

um

Nevik Rehnel

exactly

I would try me to specialize (is what that would mean)

Astrum

so, I'm not understanding "mich ein wenig zu spezialisieren"

oh, to specialize myself , right?

Nevik Rehnel

"mich (myself) ein wenig (a little) zu spezialisieren (specialize)" -- "to specialize myself a bit"

this would be so nice if i had formatted multiline text :<

Astrum

07:37

ah ha

thanks, I see where I was getting confused

and now, what's the difference between "zweig, Bereich, Umfield"?

Nevik Rehnel

what word are you looking for

Astrum

dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/…

in terms of work

it seems like you have a million ways of saying "field of work"

Nevik Rehnel

ah, Bereich or Gebiet, usually

Feld also, but that's rarer in that usage these days

Scott W

that's a literal field right

could it be anything else?

besides rarely field of work

Astrum

I've been reading reddit comments on the German subreddits, people can be very sloppy

Nevik Rehnel

07:43

'field of work' as in specialty/subject/discipline is "Fachgebiet" or "Disziplin" (the latter more in education/research/academia

@ScottW yes, that's it

@Astrum naturally

have you ever tried to compare everyday english to what we learn in school?

Scott W

I have no idea what foreign language people learn in school for English

Astrum

Berufszweig!

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum good find, that as well

Scott W

I can only guess it's terrible though

and not at all what people actually say

Takkat

hatten wir Spezialgebiet schon?

Astrum

07:45

@ScottW seeing how many people speak it fairly well, it can't be that bad

Nevik Rehnel

@ScottW it's not too terrible. but as with any language, you learn the standard language in school

which is not how people usually talk most of the time

Scott W

@Astrum that I believe is a consequence moreso of English being "the universal language" nowadays

Astrum

you should learn Ebonics @NevikRehnel

Nevik Rehnel

foreign language classes are first concerned with a general understand of the standard language, which perpares most for reading standard texts

@Astrum i dont think there are classes for that :P

Astrum

haha

Scott W

07:46

@Astrum LOL

Astrum

there might be, you never know

Scott W

yall wanna cop some bone, jack?

shi dawg y'all jive turkeys don know what y'all sayin'

Astrum

I grew up and live in a nearly 100% white town

I understand zero Ebonics

there was literally one black kid in HS

Scott W

I grew up in a mostly white town, but if you're anywhere near Detroit you will speak fluent ebonics

or at least understand

Astrum

Jamaican is the best

Takkat

07:50

Rastafari - I and I - Jah people.

Astrum

jah jah mahn

Takkat

the most I remember of Bob Marley and sons

Scott W

buffalo soldier

in the heart of america

Takkat

we were all much into reggae when I was a bit younger.

Em1

@Takkat Do you ever sleep?

Takkat

07:51

Schlafen? Wozu?

Em1

Siehste.

Takkat

Schlafen führt nur zu Müdigkeit... völlig unnütz.

Nevik Rehnel

lol

erst beschwert er sich dass wir ihn zu früh am morgen erwarten

Scott W

träumen

Nevik Rehnel

dann sagt er, er schliefe nie

Takkat

07:53

Sekundenschlaf! (Ich will im Schlaf sterben wie mein Großvater und nicht schreiend wie sein Beifahrer.)

Scott W

Träumen ist aber cool...meistens

Em1

@Takkat Böse, böse.

Takkat

100% böse, ich weiß.

Em1

Sarkasmus pur :)

Astrum

what does reinstecken mean?

I couldn't find it in a dictionary...

Nevik Rehnel

07:56

to plug/stick into

Astrum

and since when is "gar nichts" one word?

Scott W

seit vielen Jahrhunderten

Nevik Rehnel

it's two words

Astrum

another question.... eigenständig is "discrete", but can it also mean "the opposite of continuous"? nothing seemed to mention this meaning, so I'm guessing it only means the former

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum in what sense do you think it means "discrete" (which would normally be "diskret" in German)

and the second part of your question doesnt make sense because "discrete" is by definition the opposite of continuous

Astrum

08:03

dammit

ahahaha

wow, TIL

I'm thinking of discreet

Nevik Rehnel

which would also be "diskret" in German, haha. they're the same spelling for us

Astrum

I honestly never knew that it was spelt like that, I assumed it was the same word, just had two meanings

ok, thanks

Nevik Rehnel

english. making pronunciation a mytery every day

Astrum

another confusing sentence: wenn er dann aber nach jedem Anruf fragen kommen muss - when he then after every call must ask comes?

@NevikRehnel spelling is the worst

Nevik Rehnel

haha that sentence is cruel on learners

though i guess the same construction is used in english -- "But if he has to come ask after ever call."

Astrum

08:10

it's very confusing indeed

oh

I gotcha, is this a construction I should note?

Nevik Rehnel

it's somewhat colloquial

Astrum

and can we switch the places of the "kommen" and "fragen"?

Nevik Rehnel

it's grammatically fine (i think), but probably wouldnt be used in standard texts

no, you cant

Astrum

I'll just take your word for it then

Nevik Rehnel

"to {come, go} <verb>" is "<Verb> {kommen, gehen}"

Astrum

08:12

I really don't understand why that is ok... you're just smashing three verbs together

Nevik Rehnel

two

Astrum

oh, plus the aux

Nevik Rehnel

but the construction works with both going and coming (depending on where you are relative to the person talked about

Astrum

so yeah, two + müssen

Nevik Rehnel

yes

the aux verbs (müssen, können, sollen) make such constructions a bit more unwieldy in german

Astrum

08:13

so you can say "er muss nach jedem Anruf fragen kommen"?

Nevik Rehnel

yeap

Astrum

see, it makes little more sense to me in a main clause

Nevik Rehnel

the "<Verb> kommen" construction can be split up into "kommen und <Verb>", same as you can insert the "and" in english

Astrum

but when the aux goes to the back of the sentence, I have to think extra hard to make sense of it

Nevik Rehnel

(only in english the order doesnt change)

Scott W

08:15

i get grammar pretty decently in german, i'm just bad at genders and phrases and how to say things

vocab

Astrum

it's easy to memorize vocab, just hard to be idiomatic

Scott W

easy to be idiotic though

Astrum

true dat, brother

der Müll verwerfen - throw out the garbage?

Nevik Rehnel

which direction are you asking this translation?

Astrum

I'm actually just asking how you say "to throw out garbage", but thought I'd give it a try myself

Takkat

08:25

Müll wirft man weg - verwerfen ist eher to refuse, to drop ...

Peter hat seine Idee wieder verworfen.

Nevik Rehnel

or to cancel (e.g. changes in a settings dialog)

Takkat

Gabi wirft alles weg, nicht nur ihren Müll.

Nevik Rehnel

man kann Müll auch rauswerfen

bzw. alte Sachen

Takkat

und entsorgen

Astrum

slow down there, cowboys

Takkat

08:27

3 ... 2 ... 1 ... -

Ein Cowboy kommt in den Saloon. Dort steht ein Glas voll Dollars. "Was ist das für Geld?" will er wissen. Sagt der Wirt: "Mein Hengst heult wie ein Schlosshund, seit ihn seine Stute verlassen hat. Du bekommst das ganze Geld, wenn du ihn wieder zum Lachen bringst."

Nevik Rehnel

LOL

Takkat

"Kein Problem" sagt der Cowboy und geht hinaus. Schon bald hört man den Hengst wiehern vor Lachen und der Cowboy bekommt das ganze Geld.

Nevik Rehnel

hab mir das grade mit verschiedenen Cowboys, die ich so kenne, vorgestellt

Takkat

Fragt der Wirt: "Wie hast du denn das gemacht?"

Sagt der Cowboy: "Das war einfach: ich habe dem Hengst gesagt: meiner ist länger als deiner"

Nevik Rehnel

denn* und meiner*

aber nette story :P

Takkat

08:31

Am nächsten Tag kommt der Cowboy wieder in den Saloon. Dort steht aber wieder ein Glas voll Dollars.

Astrum

I don't get it

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum tl;dr, cowboy makes horse laugh by comparing shlongs

Takkat

"Was ist denn nun damit?" will der Cowboy wissen. Sagt der Wirt: "Der Hengst stirbt mir noch vor Lachen, der hat die ganze Nacht gelacht. Du bekommst das ganze Geld, wenn er wieder aufhört."

Astrum

@.@ wtf

Takkat

"Kein Problem" sagt der Cowboy und geht hinaus.

Schon bald hört man den Hengst schuchzen und heulen und der Cowboy erhält das Geld.

"Wie hast du denn das gemacht?" fragt der Wirt.

"Ganz einfach!" sagt der Cowboy.

"Wir haben nachgemessen".

:D

Nevik Rehnel

08:35

@Takkat xDD

@Astrum today's homework -- translate that joke

shouldnt be too hard

Takkat

that was the purpose... of course.

Nevik Rehnel

indeed

Scott W

@Takkat lol

that's too easy

I could translate it

I'm bad

why s it showing my collective reputation

instead of my German

Nevik Rehnel

because why not :P

ive never found out why; possibly because the site is still in beta

Scott W

I see

Nevik Rehnel

08:45

StackOverflow has a separate chat platform, weirdly enough

Scott W

dumb enough

ich geh' schlafen

guten bye

Nevik Rehnel

bye :D

Takkat

Gute Nacht @ScottW

@NevikRehnel Chat ist systemweit und zeigt immer die gesamte SE Rep, das ist nicht nur bei den Beta-Seiten so.

Nevik Rehnel

@Takkat nur dass SO seinen eigenen chat hat, bei dem dann nur die SO-Rep angezeigt wird

Takkat

ja, SO ist ein eigenes Kind.

Nevik Rehnel

08:50

wär ja auch zu einfach sonst :D

naja, ich sollte mich jetzt mal auf die arbeit konzentrieren

wünsch euch noch viel spaß o/

Astrum

09:05

I was getting a snack @NevikRehnel

which part am I supposed to translate? I understand it, I just can't see what's funny about it

@Takkat a quick question. "Im Konflikt um die von Russland annektierte Krim hofft die Ukraine auf ein Machtwort der Vereinten Nationen"

I don't really understand how to interpret the italics

Takkat

--> Ein Konflikt um eine Sache.

it's the appropriate preposition.

die Krim fem.

annektiert von - preposition used with this verb

Astrum

09:20

and why "von"?

ok

Takkat

too late ;)

Astrum

quick draw takkat

thanks, still seems like a peculiar sentence to me though

"Da ist jetzt Moskau am Zug" means "Moscow is now on board (in agreement)"?

Takkat

it's Moscow's turn

^^forgot you had the cow in that name.

Astrum

so the construction "am Zug" always means this?

fat cow!

Москва!

Takkat

am Zug does mean that figuratively, yes. But you can also say: Es sind keine Schilder am Zug angebracht

then it's the train.

Zug is from chess move

Astrum

09:36

Schilder?

Takkat

signs

or rather plates I guess.

Astrum

I thought that was Zeichen

Takkat

Hinweistafel = Schild

Astrum

so what do you call street signs? Straßeschild?

Takkat

Schilder, Schilderwald, ... Hinweisschild... Stopschild ... yeah

@Astrum Verkehrsschild

Astrum

09:42

trafficschield

interesting

I've found a great new word ausflippen

Takkat

na, dann flipp mal nicht rum hier... ;)

Astrum

what happened to the "aus"?

Takkat

"aus" ist out... frag nicht, was Umgangssprache alles anrichten kann: ausflippen rumflippen, flippig drauf sein...

nur das Verb flippen gibt es nicht für sich alleine... komisch eigentlich.

Astrum

09:58

rumflippen? These words don't even exist on leo...

Takkat

... dictionaries fail on colloquial and slang.

Astrum

yeah, I think I'm gonna leave it there for tonight...

I'll see ya later

Takkat

... gute Nacht @Astrum

Astrum

Viel Spaß!

Em1

11:10

@Takkat Ich mag den letzten Edit hier nicht. Erstens macht es alle alten Antworten falsch, zweitens ist das Verb am Ende des untergeordneten Satzes (was ja in den neuen Antworten dann zwar addressiert ist).

Takkat

@Em1 die Frage war "closed", jetzt wissen wir wenigstens warum er Schwierigkeiten hat...

Hubert sollte seine Antwort noch anpassen.

Em1

@Takkat Oh, ich seh jetzt erst, dass er die Frage in den Quote-Block gepackt hat. Dann habe ich nichts gesagt.

Takkat

@Em1 und ich sehe gerade, dass sich die Frage in ein CW aufgelöst hat... nun denn.

Em1

;)

Besser so, eigentlich.

Takkat

Besser ist selten der Komparativ von gut... ;)

Em1

11:15

Nun gut.

Takkat

lol

Vogel612

verwirr die armen Lerner nicht noch mehr, bitte...

Takkat

Wir sind doch auch für die "feineren" Punkte da, oder?

Em1

Fein ist da aber mal gar nichts.

Und wie können Punkte eigentlich überhaupt fein sein? ;)

Takkat

Ich denke, der Satz gilt so auch im Englischen: better rarely is a comparative of good

@Em1 Retina-Deutsch :D

Em1

11:19

Auge-Deutsch?

Takkat

326 wpi (words per inch)

Em1

Das ist ein besonders kleiner Schriftfont.

Hm?! Schriftfont. Schönes Wort ^^

Vogel612

T.T

was verzapfst du denn wieder für einen Un-Sinn?

Scott W

18:14

@Astrum yo if it helps, I noticed something that German does a lot that English only kind of has, and it's in this sentence you posted. basically, adjectives can be ENORMOUS in German, to where they become their own entire thing: an adjectival construct oder sowas. the example you posted is just one but they're all over the place.

die von Russland annektierte Krim. the thing in italics is an adjective. sure it starts with von but that's merely to describe the adjective ultimately.

This is not uncommon or a "peculiar sentence"! this happens a lot, I just finished my first German book and they used this kind of construct a TON. so get used to it :)

English doesn't have this...the direct translation would be: "the incorporated-from-Russia Crimea"

notice how I had to add those hyphens? that's the closest thing English has. you can sort of hyphenate together an adjectival construct in English, but it's mostly used as a joke or comedically when it gets super long

definitely not in formal writings...for a better translation I'd say "Crimea, which was incorporated from Russia, .."

because English doesn't have it

Vogel612

well there can be wirse...

Scott W

hm?

Vogel612

why the FUCK did I write that???

Scott W

hahaha you tell me buddy

Scott W

21:28

oh also I finished my first full German book last night guys :)

I'm proud

I can't claim to have understood every single sentence but I fully understood the story and what was happening

that's good enough for me

for now

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