Chat of Things

Ghanima

02:29

@Aurora0001 thanks for the report

unfortunately those messages can only be changed by CMs and I am still wondering if it's worth the hassle over this minor issue

@Aurora0001 it's dangerous in the sense that then people will find out how not-knowledgable we really are

Ghanima

02:43

but we could certainly put a chat event to good use (even more so with the people we already have) trying to wrap up all previous and ongoing discussions on the issue of on-/off-topicness - which should finally lead to a full outline here: iot.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

(and there is my meta question w.r.t. this that could be reopened if we come to some kind of an agreement)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Ghanima I have something I will like to ask you.

anonymous2

03:26

@Aurora0001 There are still a few posts...

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Hi

anonymous2

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Hi again!

How are things?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I was going to say that! :D

anonymous2

:)

I would have answered:

Henry WH Hack v2.0

good

anonymous2

03:36

Starry! How about you?

:D

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Things = "IOT.SE"

print Things

IOT.SE

[email protected]~$

Hi! :)

anonymous2

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Seriously?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@anonymous2 What?

anonymous2

@HenryWHHackv2.0 That's your computer name?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@anonymous2 No.

anonymous2

03:50

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Okay, I was going to say... :)

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Don't forget...

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/103884/…

;)

Yank as many people in possible. :)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

my computer name is: iot.se@stackexchange. ;)

Thank You! :)

anonymous2

@HenryWHHackv2.0 E-mail too?

Okay, here goes...

E-mail sent to [email protected]:

"Dear Henry WH Hack,

"Neat to see you have this new e-mail address!

"I will send all your promotions and social media here in the future.

"Yours truly,

"anonymous2"

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Don't forget...

anonymous2

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Done.

:)

Hey now, removing those messages doesn't look like a good way of yanking people in. :)

Don't know anything about weapons... will have to learn.

:)

Edity

08:32

what is it henry

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Welcome @Edity to the IOT.SE chatroom! :)

Edity

ah

thanks

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's the latest and greatest SE site! :)

Edity

XD

Henry WH Hack v2.0

How are things?

Edity

08:34

just got back from camp a few hours back

tired as fsck

Henry WH Hack v2.0

how old are you?

Edity

why should I ask?

isn't that like, personal privacy at risk?

._.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

ok

Edity

it took 3 hours drive.

.__.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I know.

Edity

08:37

noone needs to tell they're age in public, okay?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

ok

but it's true really! :)

@Walter-MSFT Welcome! :)

Edity

k

Henry WH Hack v2.0

l

Edity

yawn

Ghanima

09:18

@HenryWHHackv2.0 sorry, I left after I tapped my last comment

Henry WH Hack v2.0

How can I do moderation task on the site if there is nothing to moderate?

No Post to edit

nothing to flag?

number 2:

Ghanima

yeah, that's tricky, I noticed that too, that Allmighty Aurora and two others go about editing faster than anybody else so that the queues are always empty - but that is (on the other hand) a good thing so lets not worry about it too much

there is of course also the idea of providing guidance to new users to the ways of this particular site (e.g. comments) - but new users are rare too (as of now)

right now promoting this site, building its community, and finally defining its rules and scope are the most important things

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Every time I link my post in a chat room someone up votes it Are there up voting it because it's a good post or are there up voting it to make me feel good?

Ghanima

that I do not know but I would assume that people vote based on the merits and quality of the post itself

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I know! :)

You know we all make mistakes.

And we have to learn from our mistakes.

Ghanima

09:35

@HenryWHHackv2.0 though sometimes (e.g. during winterbash) I'd rather enjoy it if it where that easy on RPi.SE to get any votes ;)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

How can I put this:

Well I made a big mistake on AU.

I didn't know really and when I found out I was like :O

But I can't turn back now.

I wonder why @Ghanima is not getting the messages?

Ghanima

hu?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima not my fault - Helmar clears all the queues too quickly

Someone want to write the cryptography tag wiki?

Helmar has reviewed:

- 74 suggested edits

- 3 low quality posts

- 11 close votes

- 5 reopen votes

- 13 first posts

A total of 106 reviews

Henry WH Hack v2.0

09:51

:O

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 any chance you could edit this with more details so it could be reopened?

3

Q: Lyric T5 does not respond to commands via Apple Homekit

I have a friend who has a Lyric T5 Wi-Fi thermostat which he was controlling from his iPhone via Apple Homekit. Recently, all commands from his phone stopped reaching his device, demonstrating that it they were no longer connecting to each other. Why would this be happening and how could he fix ...

Ghanima

10:07

Oh Allmighty, +2 well earned ;)

Aurora0001

Indeed, such hard work for so little reward

Helmar

@Aurora0001 A lot of them come from the time I was the only 500 user ;)

I wasn't even quick about it, I just had all the time in the world

Ghanima

abuse of powers ;)

Aurora0001

That's true

Helmar

@Ghanima Benevolent Dictatorship

Aurora0001

10:12

Now the tables have turned, and the Almighty Aurora can now approve things without assistance

Ghanima

most benevolent

but then again, your tales reminds me of a Gandalf who is given the Ring of Power

Helmar

I never know why anyone would want a turned table, it's utterly useless :P

Aurora0001

Not turned upside down - more a 180 degree turn

Helmar

Yeah, but the other makes for much funnier mental image ;)

So basically 2k is the ability to get a bit less regulations in deleting and no more reputation from tag edits. Amazing milestone :)

Aurora0001

Well, you get to delete any answers with enough downvotes

And get to edit tag wikis without review

And you get closer to access to the analytics

Which are more useful at this point

Only about 400 rep to go

Helmar

10:23

No reviews means my tag wikis don't help your badge counters anymore ;)

The site analytics would interest me though.

Aurora0001

Tag wiki edits still count for badges don't they?

Helmar

Yeah, but my unsupervised ones won't get your suggested edits up anymore.

Same vice-versa of course

Aurora0001

Oh, right

Helmar

That's actually where most my suggested edits come from

I'd guess 30-40 tag wikis at least

Aurora0001

Well, I got over 50 rep from tag wiki edits a few days ago

so obviously quite a few edits

Probably made the queue a little bit too busy

Helmar

10:27

We are five tag wiki reviewers, we can handle that :)

You guys burninated client and server, right?

Aurora0001

@BenceKaulics destroyed the tag

Bence Kaulics

Yep.

Aurora0001

Since he was the only user that used the tag

Also, someone obviously liked edge-device because they downvoted the burninate request

Helmar

hmm

Community consensus is a W$&%%'!"!§* with so few meta voters

Aurora0001

Apart from the Pro Tem Mod thread, which has more views than the most popular question on the main site

Bence Kaulics

10:31

Accoring to:

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Q: Essential questions #2: The IoT Tag Taxonomy

According to The Real Essential Questions of Every Beta one of the essential questions is to establish a good base for a taxonomy by using sensible tags. To help us keep the the taxonomy clean I'll aggregate some in this post and provide a blueprint suggestion for tag wikis in an answer. If this...

discussion tags

I have retagged battery to batteries

Ghanima

I wonder why nobody picks this up

8 hours ago, by Ghanima

but we could certainly put a chat event to good use (even more so with the people we already have) trying to wrap up all previous and ongoing discussions on the issue of on-/off-topicness - which should finally lead to a full outline here: http://iot.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Helmar

@BenceKaulics Nice, that's two letters, take that pluralization filter!

Aurora0001

@BenceKaulics want to copy the tag wiki from battery to batteries?

You may as well get the edit rep for it

Helmar

Yeah

Bence Kaulics

But the wiki is not my credit.

But the scores are not updated

So while I have 10 score in battery which is now batteries

Aurora0001

10:33

@Helmar, you wrote that tag wiki didn't you?

Bence Kaulics

I cannot suggest the synoynm.

Helmar

No, you did

Aurora0001

You definitely did the excerpt though

Helmar

Nope

History says Bence did first version ;)

Aurora0001

Weird

Helmar

10:34

iot.stackexchange.com/posts/120/revisions

Aurora0001

I can't remember writing that

Helmar

Oh, sleep-tag-wiki-editing

Aurora0001

In that case, you can copy the tag wiki guilt-free @BenceKaulics

Helmar

Interesting

Bence Kaulics

Yes I wrote first.

Aurora0001

10:35

It's not like you're stealing my rep - I can't get rep from tag wikis now

Bence Kaulics

But that was an initial attempt.

Helmar

Yeah, and Aurora gets two reviews :D

Bence Kaulics

:D

Helmar

So, you do make the original creator happy ;)

Aurora0001

In other news, looks like flags aren't being monitored very much

I've had one sitting around for over 24 hours

Helmar

10:37

huh, there was something flag-worthy?

Aurora0001

Yeah, it was on that question that got heavily downvoted and deleted after the user left

21 hours ago, by Doc

before i could ask though

You'll have to read the context of that chat

Bence Kaulics

Edit done.

Helmar

Approved, 3 reviews until I get Robert :)

Was the flag handled?

Maybe it won't because it's in deleted content

Aurora0001

@Helmar nope, not handled

It's just because there's no-one there who can handle it

Helmar

Well, I'd guess if Robert is on holiday there isn't anyone watching

Aurora0001

10:48

Are comment flags automatically handled if enough people support the flag?

I think they are but not sure

Helmar

I think it depends on the category

But I'd have to look it up

Aurora0001

I know spam and rude/offensive flags need 6 flaggers to nuke it

But that's for posts, not comments

@Ghanima also I think that's probably a good idea

We do need to decide more firmly on scope before public beta

And time is running out to be honest

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 of course it is ;)

Aurora0001

@Ghanima of course it is... because it's based on His Madnificence's idea ;)

Ghanima

as is everything

oh Madnificent

Aurora0001

11:02

When should we have the 'scope chat' event?

Ghanima

at your not-so earliest convenience

Aurora0001

I think we should probably leave a bit of time so we can properly announce it on Meta

Ghanima

that's the not-so early part of the deal

Helmar

Yeah, I'd usually say 48 hours, but that's New Years Eve

Ghanima

well, begin/middle of next week or so

Aurora0001

11:06

Monday maybe?

Helmar

I could make Monday

Ghanima

monday works for me

Aurora0001

Also, what time (specify in GMT)?

The chat seems to be most active between 12:00 and 20:00 GMT

Ghanima

I can accomodate, lets fetch a few more opinions today from those who check in and post a specific date later today

Aurora0001

Yeah

Any time works well for me (it's a public holiday in the UK)

Ghanima

11:13

are you not busy making the UK great again?

I mean, you should be

Aurora0001

Well, all we have to do is build some engines, stick them on the cliffs of Dover and drive the whole country towards America

Then Brexit will be complete

Ghanima

not sure that they really want you but yeah, sounds like a plan

Aurora0001

It's alright, Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are both pretty much the same

They'd get along nicely

Helmar

How do you want to go about a "scope chat" practically?

Without any prepared agenda that will be chaos

Aurora0001

Yeah, we should draw something up

Well, perhaps we need to draw up a list of what we think is on/off-topic so far

However, first I'm off for some lunch. I'll be back in an hour or so.

Ghanima

11:29

it could be creative chaos ;)

@Aurora0001 yep, that's they way to go

we have a few meta discussions to start with and the rest is "what we think" and thus open for debate

@Helmar more important (imho) is to have the meeting moderated properly, that should be done by one guy and not three... ;)

any of you guys have a strong preference?

well I suggest that His Madnificence goes for it, I am pretty sure he'll like that

Helmar

13:02

@Ghanima Yeah, although chat moderation is not easy

We don't have any of the usual functionalities for moderated chat discussions (raise hand et cetera)

Hm, just realized, that I have to get the highest star-hat to get the all hats hat

Aurora0001

13:26

@Ghanima I doubt a lot of moderation will be needed

Oh dear, someone seems to dislike this:

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Q: How delayed can IFTTT triggers be?

I've been using IFTTT for various tasks, and it works relatively well, but for the triggers I've been using (RSS feed updates) the update time is quite slow (up to 15 minutes of delay after the feed is updated. For high-frequency feeds, 15 minutes is a severe delay, but in my use case this is man...

ifttt

Back on the topic of the event, here are some points we should perhaps discuss:

- Is the name 'Internet of Things' appropriate for the site, or is it perhaps unclear? How can we make it clearer?

- Which topics have been asked about that are clearly off-topic?

- Which topics are clearly on-topic here?

Bence Kaulics

MQTT clearly on IMO. :D

Aurora0001

Not related to the event, but what does everyone think about the smart-home tag?

It seems to be a bit of a catch-all for any IoT in a domestic setting

Bence Kaulics

Not a problem if we have more, sub-tags to narrow the topic.

smart-home is pretty subscribable.

Aurora0001

Might it be better to have home-automation, which is a bit less of a buzzword?

@BenceKaulics That's true, perhaps it is useful

Bence Kaulics

Hmm, smart home is not necessarly automated.

Aurora0001

13:35

Fair point, yeah - I suppose sensors can make a smart home too

Bence Kaulics

It is like c on SO, pretty broad alone but gives a first direction.

But worth a meta question maybe.

Aurora0001

That's true, but everyone can agree on what's classed as c and what's not

'Smart home' is a bit less clear

Bence Kaulics

Fair enough.

But maybe we can get rid of kitchen-appliences.

Aurora0001

Anyway @BenceKaulics, have you got any other ideas for what to discuss in the scope event?

Aurora0001

14:03

Final call for opinions about the event time

@BenceKaulics, @Ghanima, @Helmar, @anonymous2

Anyone else who intends to come

Bence Kaulics

I am interested but busy right now.

Aurora0001

What time on January 2nd is best?

That's the date I suggested earlier, and it seems to be the best

4PM GMT? 6PM GMT?

Or earlier/later than that

Helmar

6 might be better for US participants

Aurora0001

Judging by the traffic 2PM is the most active time for users

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/49682/chat-of-things

Helmar

Yeah, but we are very Europe-centric with our chat participants right now, aren't we?

Btw, I think your new question is a bit broad. It's kinda a vendor and prior situation dependent thing. Can you put some assumptions in there? Number of bulbs? The kind of bulbs used before, something like that?

Aurora0001

14:28

@Helmar can do

give me a few minutes

@Helmar done

Feeds

Aurora0001 has added an event to this room's schedule.

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Aurora0001

Please register for the event if you're interested!

argh

0

Q: Let's discuss the site scope in chat!

After a discussion in the chat, it seems like it might be a good idea to have a discussion event about what we consider on/off-topic so that the site is more prepared for public beta. The event will be held in the Chat of Things room (the site's main chat room), and you can register your interes...

discussion site-scope chat

Make sure you review my suggested agenda

Ghanima

14:45

@Aurora0001 call it chairman of the event

Aurora0001

More like Cat Herder

The almighty Helmar seems to have been beaten by another user to answering my question

Ghanima

and keep nagging my meta post

it's not supposed to discuss, it's supposed to distill the final result into a template that is then posted to the FAQ

@Aurora0001 make that a hat

Aurora0001

@Ghanima might have to be for AuroraHats 2017 now

I don't think I'll add any more hats for now; since I'm retiring it soon

@Ghanima added a bit at the end saying about 'distilling' the ideas

Also, someone seems to have downvoted the chat event - weird

Ghanima

yea, that's strange indeed

Aurora0001

If only people would leave comments...

Ghanima

15:01

that would be nice

I don't know how many people hate me though for commenting on a recently downvoted q/a when I actually was not the one to downvote ;)

Aurora0001

16:48

Looks like someone really dislikes me

Ghanima

how so

Aurora0001

Got a downvote for my mod nomination along with my other mysterious downvotes

Ghanima

so that you know it wasn't me ;)

Aurora0001

I wouldn't mind if it was ;)

Ghanima

good, then you don't have to check whether I photoshopped that or not :-D

in either case I doubt that the selection committee will place much emphasis on those votes

Aurora0001

17:02

Well, sticks and stones may break my bones but downvotes ~~will never hurt me~~ will hurt me even more

:P

Bence Kaulics

18:00

What do you think of the following questionling?

I have a wireless sensor board, it has a GSM/GPRS module with TCP/IP stack. Now my server (MQTT ofc) will be hosted on my laptop which is behind my router, so I cannot access it directly. I know that I can listen on a specific port, and forward all incoming data to my server by the router. There are a lot of resource on the web about it, but few are complete enough and opening a port behind my router is risky. So with some research work as well, can I ask about the steps of this setup?

Or I should post on Super User or Security.SE instead?

Aurora0001

There's probably something similar on Super User, but I think it'd be useful to have anyway

Bence Kaulics

It would be good if I could apply somekind of filter to forward only MQTT packets.

Aurora0001

So the sensor board is outside your network?

Bence Kaulics

Yes, [GPRS module] ---> [Cellular network] ---> [My Router] ---X---> [Server].

Aurora0001

Might be worth taking the advice here

hivemq.com/blog/…

Bence Kaulics

18:10

This page was already opened in my broswer, just did not have time to read it all.

I will read it and reconsider then.

Aurora0001

You should still ask the question though - I'm sure it'd be useful to others

Bence Kaulics

Yep. Though I will do some more detailed search on other SE sites as well.

Aurora0001

Good idea - it's good to lead by example for the level of research we expect in questions

Bence Kaulics

19:31

I am interested in how much of us will get [badge:Enthusiast] on next week.

Aurora0001

@BenceKaulics I'm set to get it on Wednesday

Also, it's a shame badge syntax doesn't work

Not all that useful though I suppsoe

Bence Kaulics

Yep.

Aurora0001

What's your progress towards it?

Hmm

Not quite

Bence Kaulics

Wednesday it is for me too.

Aurora0001

Seems impossible to turn a whatever tag into a link

Also, does anyone think it's strange that the Pro Tem Nomination question has double the amount of upvotes that the highest answer has?

Bence Kaulics

19:37

Question votes can be distributed among the answers.

Not everyone as diplomatic to vote on all nominees.

Aurora0001

That's very true

And the nominations thread has now hit 300 views

Bence Kaulics

We have 592 users.

Aurora0001

To be fair, a lot of people probably check frequently

Bence Kaulics

Like me for example.

Aurora0001

And me

Bence Kaulics

19:42

Yes, probably all nominees.

Aurora0001

Although I doubt there's much point checking frequently - it won't change the result

Bence Kaulics

Hehe, yes it won't.

Hmm there are 3 clicks on EE.SE ad. One was, you one me that is sure. Maybe @Ghanima tired it out too?

Though I have never seen it while I was browsing on EE.SE.

Very annoying, as we have 8 upvote now. :D

Ghanima

22:04

@BenceKaulics no, I dare not skew the stats

and I don't see the ads over there

@Aurora0001 no, not really

it means that people like the idea of having pro tems, but not the idea that any of us should be it ;)

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