Chat of Things

Aurora0001

17:02

@Ghanima:

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Q: What, exactly, makes SPECK and SIMON particularly suitable for IoT devices?

For some IoT devices, the data that needs to be sent is confidential, and hence sending it in plain text is not acceptable. Therefore, I've been considering how to encrypt data sent between IoT devices. An article on the RFID Journal mentions the NSA-developed SPECK and SIMON algorithms as partic...

There arguably is overlap with Cryptography SE but I think since the question is mostly about why I should pick it for an IoT device, it should be OK.

Ghanima

... and the rush begins

if NSA gives them away at no cost does that imply they can break it?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima the more suspicious side of me says, "of course!"

@Ghanima look at the reference code: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speck_%28cipher%29

not exactly a complex algorithm

Probably about 10 SLOC

Also if you're late answering @Ghanima, this might seem relevant to you

Ghanima

this talk has an Enigma figure in it, who could resist a cypher that references Enigma?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima ★

Ghanima

it's probably not enough for an answer though

Aurora0001

17:15

since I can't give you an actual star

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 discount star?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima very much a poor man's star

Helmar

@Aurora0001 Questions can be on-topic on two SEs. In my opinion it's a fine IoT question.

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Aurora0001

@Helmar indeed, I often think of it too much as a mutually exclusive thing

And I'm pretty sure that will make a useful reference to an IoT dev if someone answers it well

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Also, I'm apparently the top voter (seems a shock to me)

Followed closely by @Helmar

Helmar

@Aurora0001 Locked race on edits :)

Aurora0001

17:24

@Helmar you have an advantage though

of having the edit privileges

Helmar

@Aurora0001 Two actually, I could reject yours too :D

Not that it matters because then the SE guys still have the deciding vote

Aurora0001

@Helmar or you could reject and edit and kill my suggested edit completely

:P

Helmar

@Aurora0001 Oh you are a suggested edit queue ninja ;)

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 yes, he could

Helmar

Anyways, gotta go for now

Aurora0001

17:27

@Helmar see you later!

We have our second 500+ user (Sean Houlihane) now

anonymous2

17:52

@Aurora0001 Congrats, @Sean!

Aurora0001

18:41

Hooray, all the edits got approved

Apparently they only need 2 users to approve

Ghanima

19:01

@Aurora0001 yepp edits are two approvals

and editing was my plan!

:(

Ghanima

19:17

@Helmar the executive summary is pretty strong bullshit-bingo from ressource efficiency to work-life-balance. Industry 4.0 is going to cover all of it

Aurora0001

I wonder if we can hit 10 questions today (we're on 8 now, if you count today as being since midnight GMT)

Gilles

20:01

@Aurora0001 10 questions on the third day is pretty slow for a private beta

and it's even worse if you discount the large proportion of bad questions

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Do not let this site get close! Please!

Ghanima

@Gilles yepp, less than 10 is considered weak area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/94224/internet-of-things

visits per day is also pretty low

Gilles

I prefered [embedded.se]. That had even less traffic, but what little we had was good

Ghanima

20:18

@Gilles that didn't make it to public beta?

Gilles

@Ghanima yes, twice, because there wasn't enough traffic

Ghanima

20:32

1,500 visits per day is good, 500 visits per day needs some work. A great site benefits people outside the community. Eventually, 90% of a site's traffic should come from search engines.

given that we might reconsider our notion of "simple" questions with answers that are easily researchable using other sources

such Q's could attract visitors to the site

Aurora0001

20:56

@Ghanima but we are still in private beta, so those figures aren't totally relevant

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 I was just saying what Area51 reads, but yeah during private beta I would not expect too many additional visitors

Aurora0001

Are the stats for other private betas accessible on SEDE?

If so it might be interesting to compare and see how IoT is looking

Ghanima

even if so, I doubt that the DE lists the failed proposals

Aurora0001

@Ghanima Just done a query on Robotics.SE

They had 28 questions on day 3

24 on day 4

Ghanima

but they're still alive, aren't they

Aurora0001

21:06

Yeah

Failed ones don't seem to be queryable

Ghanima

that's what I thought, but somehow it should be possible to download the full datadumps

Ghanima

21:36

put your right hand into the box!

user223506

22:31

Something for all of you to consider on your site

user223506

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Q: scope and audience

First (and possibly last) impressions: the scope is unclear, hence a lot of questions downvoted and put on hold - possibly due to people like me, those who just have a curiousity of this type of technology or perhaps even, amateurs. Who is the audience - from initial impressions, it seems to ...

discussion site-scope

user223506

@Aurora0001 you can't - I was just an 'enthusiast'

user223506

@Ghanima not really, it is clear I just don't get it with regards to this site's scope (still not clear on that one)

user223506

good luck with your site

Ghanima

22:46

@Nullarbor I am sorry to hear. To my understanding the issue of "audience" hasn't been discussed yet and most StackExchange sites explicitely address amateurs and enthusiasts as well as professionals (ok security.stackexchange.com focuses on professionals)

as IoT is going to be a part of every-day life, e.g. as in SmartHome, I would guess that this community should be open to non-professionals

user223506

and dba

Ghanima

but again, that is up to the community decide and afaik has not been so far

your meta post certainly triggers that discussion

user223506

Yes, SE sites do advertise 'and enthusiasts', but like with most advertising, it is not always tthe truth

user223506

our IoT specialist in our team actually laughed when I suggested this site

Ghanima

well this site is two days old, what did your specialist expect :) give it time to develop

I say, give it a chance, help it to develop in a way that you consider beneficial

user223506

22:52

he laughed abot SE in general too

user223506

i was the only one on the team testing out SO/SE

Ghanima

so he made up his mind without even testing SO out?

user223506

he read over the site for quite a while

Ghanima

SE is certainly not perfect but I've seen much worse on the internet

but then again each must find out for oneself which sites to use and how and when and why

user223506

23:09

nothing is perfect - not even enthusiasts; but yes, he has found a couple of forums that are, in his words, more useful, far friendlier and collegial

user223506

I put my observations as an answer to the meta post - am sure it will be downvoted and 'snark' will likely to ensue

Ghanima

@Nullarbor I am sorry that your experience at this site has not been to your liking. Unfortunately it is hard for me to tell what happend but I am sure that any differences between you and any other users can be resolved

IoT meta

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Q: scope and audience

First (and possibly last) impressions: the scope is unclear, hence a lot of questions downvoted and put on hold - possibly due to people like me, those who just have a curiousity of this type of technology or perhaps even, amateurs. Who is the audience - from initial impressions, it seems to ...

discussion site-scope

user223506

nah, it would seem that I am just an idiot asking a stupid question

user223506

23:26

well I have wasted enough of your and my time on this - we are testing our remote medicine app today (ironically with IoT involved), as well as testing our field-sensing gadgets

user223506

Good luck with the site, I sincerely do hope it works for you all

Ghanima

@Nullarbor thank you for that and all the best for your project too

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