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parshablog: Devarim sources -- 2012 edition

posted on July 23, 2012 by joshwaxman

by aliyah rishon (Devarim 1:1) sheni (1:12) shelishi (1:22) revii (1:39) chamishi (2:2) shishi (2:31) shevii (3:15) maftir (3:20) haftara (Yeshayahu 1), with Malbim and Ibn Ezra by perek perek 1 ; perek 2 ; perek 3 Read more...

Adam Mosheh

1:19 PM

@DoubleAA also, the whole yesterday today new thing that was mentioned in many of the "reasons for editing" on the edits made

Adam Mosheh

1:50 PM

I'm almost at 2000 rep on the main site!

@msh210 One of those stars was mine; I often play devil's advocate.

Adam Mosheh

2:38 PM

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Q: What to do with Parsha Chat?

I haven't been able to make it to parsha chat lately, however, looking at logs it appears that it hasn't happened for two weeks in a row. Is it a time issue? Is it a lack of interest? Should we change the time or it won't help?

Adam Mosheh

3:08 PM

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A: Sefarim specifically made for "Daily Hizuk"

I highly recommend basically any Breslover seforim. I'm currently enjoying Rabbi Yaakov Meir Shechter's - A Scent of Eden. This sefer is both an educational manual in improving avodas Hashem as well as full of powerful and inspiring Torah to be m'chazek the learned and unlearned alike. http://w...

Adam Mosheh

4:20 PM

No wonder I am being accused of being a heretic and being called Reform. I don't think that's a contradiction though. I guess that's what happens when I am a chassid of an insurgent rabbi.

@IsaacMoses - Have I taught anyone anything on [this site](mi.yodeya.com) (or elsewhere) and ever learned anything? If so, then I should technically classify as a talmid chacham. A talmid because I learned and a chacham because I expressed wisdom. והמבזה תלמידי חכמים is included in אין להן חלק לעולם הבא. — Adam Mosheh 55 secs ago

Well, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov said that it is a great mitzvah to be happy always, but people still think that there is an obligation to be meitzer u-doweig al churban beis hamikdash‌. How is that any different? Was Rabbi Nachman a heretic as well? — Adam Mosheh 2 mins ago

@DovF - And I can do away with a Halachic concept found all over the Talmud; there is a mitzvah to listen to divrei chachamim. Are you saying that what R' Nachman said is not included in Divrei Chachamim? Or that the mitzvah is to learn Torah but not fulfill it? "R. Yochanan says: If one studies Torah with the intention of not fulfilling it, he would have been better off having died in his mother's womb and never having entered the world." ~ Talmud Yerushalmi (Berakhot 1:2) — Adam Mosheh 17 secs ago

Chat

@AdamMosheh Even Rav Nachman would cry if he saw how you misconstrued his words. — Double AA 3 mins ago

Dov F

4:45 PM

@AdamMosheh you think they are antonyms because you are mistranslating simcha.

Adam Mosheh

^^^Didn't Yehoshua hanavi mourn over many halachot of the Torah being forgotten?

@DovF No, you are. he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%97%D7%94 es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicidad eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feli%C4%89o en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness

Everyone agrees that simchah is happiness

All the languages

Dov F

@AdamMosheh Let's establish something. If R. Nachman disagrees with the Talmud than you cannot use the Talmud as support for unequivocally accepting what he says. That would be completely circular. You have to first accept the Talmud as binding. In which case you can't say that his opinion is better than the Talmud.

@AdamMosheh Happiness can mean a lot of things. There are at least seven words in Hebrew that mean happiness, do you know the difference between each one?

Adam Mosheh

@DovF I generally accept the talmud as binding, but there are exceptions. However, these exceptions are granted to me by the talmud, in the first place.

@DovF Perhaps some of them have identical meanings?

R' Nachman seemed to say simchah bichlal IIRC

Dov F

@AdamMosheh identical in a more abstract sense, yes. But that isn't very nuanced. There are always subtle differences.

Adam Mosheh

@DovF Rabbeinu was all about simplicity. "The greatest wisdom of all wisdoms is not to be wise at all, rather to be pure and honest with simplicity. (LM2 44)"

(likutei moharan)

Dov F

4:51 PM

@AdamMosheh Simcha and sadness are not mutually exclusive. Simcha is a general contentment and good-natured view of things. It does not preclude one from acknowledging that there is something missing from the world.

@AdamMosheh Sorry but regardless, I would not take R. Nachman's words over the Talmud's.

Adam Mosheh

@DovF Huh? I don't understand Hebrew... Please translate Simcha into English.

Double AA

@AdamMosheh That would defeat the purpose. Translation == Interpretation.

Dov F

@AdamMosheh I don't have a one-word translation.

Adam Mosheh

Okay, but I don't know what you are talking about then.

Dov F

@AdamMosheh It means what I said

"Simcha is a general contentment and good-natured view of things"

Adam Mosheh

4:53 PM

Simcha

Simcha ( ; , ) is a Hebrew word with several meanings. Literally, the word "simcha" means gladness, or joy. It comes from the root word "sameyach," which means glad or happy. The concept of simcha is an important one in Jewish philosophy. A popular teaching by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a 19th century Chassidic Rabbi, is "Mitzvah Gedolah Le'hiyot Besimcha Tamid," it is a great mitzvah (commandment) to always be in a state of happiness. When a person is happy they are much more capable of serving God and going about their daily activities than when depressed or upset. Sometimes, the word...

it means gladness or joy

"A popular teaching by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a 19th century Chassidic Rabbi, is "Mitzvah Gedolah Le'hiyot Besimcha Tamid," it is a great mitzvah (commandment) to always be in a state of happiness. "

ALWAYS

Dov F

@AdamMosheh the correct antonym is "DEPRESSED"

not sad

and again, regardless, I'd take the Talmud over R. Nachman, WADR

Adam Mosheh

@DovF Okay, I think that churban beis hamikdash is depressing. Translate meitzer udoeg. I think that it means to be depressed.

Dov F

no, that would be עצב

Adam Mosheh

@DovF English, please...

Dov F

depressed...

lol

atzev

Adam Mosheh

4:57 PM

@DovF Rejection of Hasidism is rejection of Hosheya 2:18 according to rashi

Dov F

meitzer vedoeg means pressured and worried

Adam Mosheh

do you accept rashi?

or Hosea?

Dov F

no

I accept the Talmud

though I believe Rashi also did

Adam Mosheh

so what is rashi talking about there how people will serve hashem out of ahavah and simchah in the future? hasidism is bringing that reality into the future

are you living in the past? if you live in the past, the third temple will never be built

Dov F

thats a logical fallacy

please

Adam Mosheh

4:59 PM

rashi was not a heretic, go see his commentary on hosea 2:18

Dov F

just because it is said that something will happen in the future doesn't mean you can go and decide that this is what he is referring to. that's putting words in his mouth

Adam Mosheh

he.wikisource.org/wiki/…

rashi's commentary on the talmud... he is putting words into the mouth of all of chazal

how is that any different?

(WADR to you of course, just not to what you are saying)

Dov F

he doesnt put words in anyones mouth

he is logically interpreting, based on his knowledge of the sources

Adam Mosheh

@DovF he is one out of many interpreters on mikra and talmud

Dov F

so...

Adam Mosheh

5:01 PM

@DovF and that's what other interpreters do as well

Dov F

so what

your "interpretation" of rashi in hosea is completely arbitrary, except to support a chasidic agenda

Adam Mosheh

@DovF you have a misnagdic agenda

Dov F

rashi's "interpretations" are not arbitrary

yes, my agenda is to be plain and simple

Adam Mosheh

okay, go tell that to maran hamechaber.

Dov F

not make up stuff

Adam Mosheh

5:02 PM

@DovF you are sounding more and more like rabeinu

Dov F

what about maran hamechaber

Adam Mosheh

@DovF he wrote halacha

halacha from the talmud

nobody can understand the talmud without rashi

Dov F

R. Nachman was very wise, I acknowledge that

i dont get your point about the mechaber

Adam Mosheh

@DovF Now we're getting somewhere.

@DovF Not him in particular. The Rema disagreed with him also. It was just an example

Dov F

there are a million places where the mechaber argues witrh rashi in final psak

Adam Mosheh

5:04 PM

@DovF it was just an example

Dov F

@AdamMosheh what's your point

Adam Mosheh

someone who was posek halacha... the shulchan aruch is the most famous sefer of piskei halachot, besides for ramabam probably

Dov F

so...

i'm not getting it

Adam Mosheh

that these examples relied on previous interpreters of mikra, talmud, halacha, etc

Dov F

what is your point

Adam Mosheh

5:06 PM

and they were mechadesh, and chiddush is always controversial unfortunately

that's why snags hate chassidim

Dov F

so your answer to everything is, well it sounds off, so it must be true, because the truth is not what you think

well there's no arguing with that...

Adam Mosheh

@DovF no

most of the time i don't just argue to be devil's advocate

Dov F

chiddush is correct only when it is logically correct despite the fact that it is a chiddush

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it has to work with the accepted premises

Adam Mosheh

@DovF ok now we're getting somewhere

Dov F

where are we

lol

yoel

5:42 PM

@AdamMosheh you are going way too far with your insinuations about Rebbe Nachman zy'a. I hope very sincerely that you repent even coming close to suggesting that the holy tzadik agreed with your heretical notions - notions which r'l you have surely come to through a lack of proper education. Therefore I hope also that you connect with a true teacher grounded in mesora so that you can come to know Truth.

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@AdamMosheh in Breslev we do mitzvos with simcha, including the mitzva of mourning the BH"M and so on. How to do that properly requires a lot of study of the Rebbe's teachings. It is not, as you suggest, an abrogation of anything. Such activities are left to the reformers, who Rabenu strenuously opposed throughout his life.

Adam Mosheh

5:58 PM

"Sefer Machaneh Efrayim in the Hilchot Tzedaka section brings an opinion (from the Talmud?) that boys from the age of six and upward are not dependent on their parents and that anything the parents give to their children is tzedaka because they are no longer obligated to support them once they turn 6." why was this deleted as an answer to this question: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/17809/honor-thy-children (edited)

@yoel how do you mourn b'simchah???

@yoel can you be my teacher?

yoel

@AdamMosheh I'm not sure I'm on that high of a level but I can at least present what the Rebbe says on the matter... I'm not sure I'm necessarily qualified to be a teacher either.

Stack Exchange

6:37 PM

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Q: Permitting answers that deviate from Jewish law and tradition

Can we rely on downvotes to out answers that are not based on Jewish law and tradition, as per this site's operational standards? Isn't there a danger that a viewer will take an answer with six downvotes and no upvotes to simply be an unpopular but equally valid answer, and come to transgress? ...

discussion

b a

@yoel Where does R' Nachman address it? It's not in Likutei Moharan 2:44

yoel

@ba I think it's in Sichos Haran (it might be that a lot of the detail that I'm thinking of is actually in Siach Sarfei Kodesh) but I seem to recall that something in the second part of L"M discusses it too. b'n I'll look it up when I get home.

Stack Exchange

7:37 PM

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Q: Talmud Torah synonym

Does anyone think (as I do) that Talmud Torah should be a synonym for the torah-study tag? Right now Talmud Torah doesn't redirect to anything and would have been a new tag, had I not searched and found the Torah-study tag.

discussion status-completed tag-synonyms

msh210

9:00 PM

@DoubleAA mazal tov on achieving "b'chol besi neeman hu".

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Stack Exchange

9:34 PM

Blog - Stack Exchange: Week 2 of the Summer of Love: Researching Comments

Seth Rogers on July 23, 2012

The quality of the Q&A on Stack Overflow continues to outshine any other on the Internet – thanks to the awesome community. Like any community, unspoken rules eventually become expectations. In the previous post in this series, Joel talks about how the community developed its own set of rules and norms that new recruits simply don’t know about. When a new comer walks into the group and puts her hand up for a high-five and gets chastised by the group because they don’t give high-fives, she walks away embarrassed with head hanging low. That’s unfortunate. …

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