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@Downgoat BTW why are you working on Crayon :( it's so verbose

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ಠ_ಠ

idk its somehting easy to wokr on

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:( :( :(

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00:37

ok i can work on VSl

but idk how to bison

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Oh bison is done

I can push

But it still has too many (19) conflicts :(

Well, done-ish

all operators are there :D

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ok i figured out what shift-reduce mean so i can halp reduce conflict maybe

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@Downgoat :D yay

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link to c9 :3?

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You can work on class and trait etc, brb uploading to c9

@Downgoat wait need to upload first

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00:44

ok

i have no idea how to JIT interpreter though

dont u have to convert to machine code for JIT?

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Yeah we need to do that later

But we need the implementation details first

like how exactly do we get pointers to all our objects for the gc

ok ide.c9.io/somebody1234/vsl#openfile-README.md

@Downgoat here I need you to press ctrl+d a lot because by browser is annoying and captures keyboard shortcuts

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@ASCII-only wat ok

@ASCII-only i think i borked someting

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@Downgoat Because I need to test but bison uses EOF

@Downgoat ;_;

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btw im geting chat rate limited, can we talk in C9 chat?

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@Downgoat Okay

@Downgoat :( halp you're not responding on c9

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00:53

sorry :(

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@Downgoat ping

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01:10

@Downgoat why did you make everything xor ;_____________;

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wat

FUCK

stupid find-replace

ok i fi

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:D yay

Also btw there's Monokai for c9 if you don't use it already

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ik

its great

ok

so what can i do to halp :3

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Decisions

Go up like 20 messages

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on SE chat or C9

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01:19

SE

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30 mins ago, by ASCII-only

@Downgoat ;_;

i went 20 message up .___.

is goat being stupid again >_>

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yesterday, by ASCII-only

We need 1. implementation details 2. trait/class/interface/function syntax - what is allowed in them? e.g. we should probably have getters/setters in class/interface/trait, nested functions should be allowed

@Downgoat Whoops sorry didn't count

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I think we should use cheddar class syntax/interface syntax

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Ok

pls press ctrl+d on c9? i have basic class parsing just i have no idea if it works

don't think I added astify for it either whoops

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01:46

hai

ok did

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:( terminal borked for me

nvm it's back

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:D

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halp what is cst

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conret syntax tree

eli.thegreenplace.net/2009/02/16/…

ok i see y so many conflict

e -> e o e is like definition of ambiguity

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no

this is shift reduce meaning very few conflict

see parser.output

shift reduce is weird

it's a parser where left recursion is recommended over right recursion

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01:54

ik

but e -> e o e | * e will cause shift/reduce conflict

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* e?

Also where is that

@Downgoat According to this we have an AST

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@ASCII-only idk

@ASCII-only * is wildcard

@ASCII-only i am refering to nested expression

expression can be shift: e o (e o e) or reduce (e o e) o e

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example?

btw that is what precedence is for

I fix cast precedence by changing like 10 chars

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yea

wait so bison does associativity??

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Yes

It even borks on 1..2..3 (which is invalid weird siamese range)

btw idk if i mentioned but i think we should have Dart string interpolation (like perl's too, i guess) e.g. '$foo plus $bar is ${foo + bar}'

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02:08

> Use const for variables that you want to be compile-time constants

^ good idea

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Yes

also final

will do later

@Downgoat halp what would ast look like

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ok

will try to do again

Program
 |- StatementExpression
    |- Plus
        |- Property
            |- Foo
        |- Times
            |- 3
            |- 4

example for 3 * 4 + foo

wow

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Why no Number

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dart looks like cool lang

@ASCII-only yeah u can have number

i just omited so faster to type

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Is that not what the parser does right now

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02:11

no

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????????????

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or at least not as AST shows

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wat how

also press ctrl+d again

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oh

idea:

type? is nullable and [type name] is optional arg from dart

that seems like good idea

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and {} is named arg (these are like babel as well)

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02:13

O_o

example?

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You remember stuff like function ({foo : number = 1}) right?

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wat

pls no tell me youre doing that in VSL

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In babel you would pass functionName({number: 100})

@Downgoat Yes

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WAT WHY

DIS MAEK NO SENSE

i mean you aren't passing named param

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In VSL (and dart) it is functionName(number = 100)

@Downgoat ???????????

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02:14

u are passing object

oh

I reccomend func(argOne: 1, argTwo: 2)

looks neat

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@Downgoat The first one is function declaration

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functionName(number = 100) this?

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This is function call

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wat why

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Or we can do it like C# and make all arguments nameable and arguments with defaults optional

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02:15

I think u should do like swift:

func name(int val: param = 1) is decleration. and to call you can do name(5) or name(param: 2)

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Hmm ok

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unless you are doing val: int

for type

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So like C#

anything with default value is both optional and nameable?

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dpes dart compile to JS?

they have striking resemblance

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It can

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02:17

@ASCII-only i if has default value, yeah its optional, but not sure what you mean by "Nameable"

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Dart has VM, mobile and web (JS) backends

@Downgoat you can do argName: argValue for any args with default value

@Downgoat idk the actual terminology

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@ASCII-only you should be able to do that on args even if they dont have default value specified

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so just make it bork if not all arguments specified?

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only if arg doesn't have default

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msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd264739.aspx

@Downgoat Yeah

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02:20

dart look like cool language brb learning

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@Downgoat Does that mean you're porting cheddar to DartVM

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no

syntax just look cool

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multiple statements bork :(

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;____: ono

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idk how to detect if top level or not

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02:23

gaot wil try halp

wait

is this maybe tokenizer bork?

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No

everything is fine

just idk how to detect if program is top level

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wat dis mean?

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so every time it parse a statement it prints tree

look at c9

also how is the tree not ast

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you have redundant BinaryExpresion thing

but otherwise yea astt

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@Downgoat but the article you link to say binaryexpression node is fine

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02:29

ik, this is ast but binary expression is not needd

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yeah too lazy to make it print differently

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wow it took me way to long to figure out what vsl meant when you said it in the crayon room :P @Downgoat

I'm tired

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@ETHproductions IIRC you live in east coast so its 10-11:00 for you?

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ya, 10:38

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O.o wow thats late

i go to sleep at around 8:30 so i can getup at 5:00 for school :P

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02:41

5:00 seems really early to me

Of course, I wouldn't know 'cause I've been homeschooled my whole life

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:O

you wake up at 5?!11!1!!!!

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@ETHproductions idk if good or bad. i mean you dont have to deal with bad teacher

today french teacher say i didnt turn in homework and she wont fix zero, but i have audio recording of her affirming I did, and timestamped phtoographic evidence

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Most of my courses are self-taught

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so like online?

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@Downgoat Wait, what? How did you get an audio recording and photographic evidence?

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02:44

phone is very useful

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@Downgoat Yeah, that and a few books

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@ETHproductions she got fired from my preivous school but when I heard i she came back to current school i learned to get evidence of all work

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I can understand that

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administration at public schools couldn't give less shits about campus quality/students/teachers

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can you give your evidence to someone else?

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02:46

> oh, the bathroom stall's door fell off and there's no soap, paper towel, or toilet paper? its ok, well just put money into staff restroom

@ETHproductions ill have too see

i have appointment with forign language director

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@Downgoat I really hate administrations like that

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yeah, like bush administration :P

idk if im allowed to make jokes like that

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I don't really mind, but someone else might

I'm gonna work on crayon docs now

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@ETHproductions Self-taught? Is stuff marked?

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@ASCII-only There's a curriculum that schedules most of it

> This project contains more than 30,000 files. Features that operate across multiple files may be disabled or behave as if the project is empty.

Thanks Brackets, that's babel's fault :P

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@ETHproductions D: brackets can't exclude folders?

Also is that not Node's fault

and this is why you usually have a /lib folder with source files

IIRC babel has 1:1 source file number to build file number ratio (at least by default)

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@ASCII-only it's the node_modules folder with 30000 files

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@ETHproductions That's what I thought, can't you just move source to /lib?

If babel is the only dependency maybe just write in ES5

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Excluding node_modules, there's 15 files in the project: 5 in the main directory, 5 in /src, and 5 in /lib

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Wait what are /src and /lib for

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/src is for es6, /lib is for transpiled

That's how downgoat set it up

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03:06

Then why not just open /src

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I think I will

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That's where the entire project is anyway

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I was trying to open the /docs folder though, which doesn't show up, so I must be on the wrong branch (master vs. gh-pages)

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@ETHproductions :P

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I'm still a n00b at git :P

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03:09

You know how to switch branches right?

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yeah

what the heck, brackets still gives me that error when I open only /docs

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...

wat

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hmm, now it doesn't give it to me anymore

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Solution: don't use brackets :P

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What would you suggest then for Windows?

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03:14

Depends what you're looking for

If you just want a decent editor with directory support Sublime should do (Atom is really slow for me but you could try that as well - Atom has plenty of linters IIRC)

Never bothered to check what plugins Sublime has but name a plugin you need and I can see if Sublime has it

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I'm just gonna stick with brackets for now because working is generally faster than meta-working

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Meta-working?

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i.e. just doing work is generally faster than figuring out the best way to do the work

For example, xkcd.com/1319

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But you don't need to write a program, it's already there :P

@Downgoat pls ping when you're back

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@ASCII-only no no, I mean deciding which is the best text editor for the job takes longer than just doing the job

Maybe this will sum it up better: xkcd.com/1445

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03:26

Not the best text editor for the job - the best text editor overall

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well, that too

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I don't really want a buggy editor

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I'm going to go type some docs now, and if I see more bugs I'll switch to Notepad++

If there are bugs in that, I'll use notepad

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15:20

@ETHproductions use vim :D

itll take a minute to learn but its really powerful

you can really save yourself a lot of tome

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16:09

> tome

I like brackets for now though, so I'm going to stick with it

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ok, whatever you like best

Though brackets cant do python

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I'm not doing python, I'm doing node

@Downgoat wait, why not?

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Idk

brackets pretty much is only good for front-end (html, css, js)

otherwise most other langauges it breaks on

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That's what I do most of the time

JSLint doesn't like "export" :P

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Use JSHint with es harmony enabled iirc

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16:27

There, got it

Works like a charm :)

@Downgoat Have you done anything more on your local Crayon repo?

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nope, not yet at least

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good, I've added a bunch of stuff and I'll push in a little bit

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ok, cool

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@Downgoat wait wat it says you have three of the same terminal open

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@ASCII-only yea

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21:15

@Downgoat pls work on design thing?

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crap wrong heyboard (im attempting to learn dvorak to compensate for hooves)

@ASCII-only design thing?

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@Downgoat what is a heyboard

@Downgoat sketchboard

@Downgoat is that not going to make you have >100% more spelling mistakes

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@ASCII-only ;_;

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What you need is ~~Dragon~~ Gaot NaturallySpeaking

wait that doesn't translate from GaotSL to english nvm

GaotSL = Gaot Speaking Language

should we work on function/class/interface/trait grammar @Downgoat

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ok

"func" identifier arglist? identifier? (=> expr | { code })

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21:23

ok

what will code be

also what is the identifier before the =>

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room topic changed to VSL: ide.c9.io/somebody1234/vsl (no tags)

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;_; dvorak is hard

@ASCII-only oh, that is recursion name

e.g.

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oh

wait wat

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func fibonacci num f => num < 2 ? 1 : f(n - 1) + f(n - 2)

f is TCO

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21:44

TCO?

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taill call optimized

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@Downgoat but why have identifier why not just have special variable

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you can do that too

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identifier is weird syntax

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you'd have to check if it's used (i.e. if space should be allocated for var) which will be slow since AST searching is slow

@ASCII-only yea tru

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21:51

@Downgoat ?

@Downgoat but we don't search ast, at compile time we build a variable map, if it's not compiled but jitted instead we just try to look up the variable

@Downgoat confus levle Infinity + 1 atm

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._.

I think you are very tired :P

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No I actually have no idea what you mean

Somehow I'm not tired at all

;_; oh no does that mean i need to go see doctor

@Downgoat pls explain

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@ASCII-only ;_; i am guessing yes

depends on how much coffee you have had

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None

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:OOOOOOOO

yea you need to see doctor

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22:03

ok apart from that pls explain what you mean when you say we need to check if it's used ;______________;

and my laptop needs to see doctor too its internet keeps dropping out

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@ASCII-only :D so you can go in one trip

gas = saved

@ASCII-only i.e. functions are probably going to take up lots of memory

if you put function in a VSL variable, you are taking memory for that

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oh

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you should see if f is actually used

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???

1. what

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btw, i add stuff to sketchboard

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22:05

2. we should use special variable IMO, no variable check needed

the special variable will reference function of origin implicitly

:O that's a lot of stuff on sketchboard

what is transverse ast

Do you mean traverse

so optimizer collapses constant literals?

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@ASCII-only yes

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ok the thing in the chain still says transverse

halp what is visit

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i added note

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:O wow so fast where did your hooves go

still don't understand, looks like it says nothing about execution flow

Also IMO not everything should be a VSLObject, primitives are much better as primitives instead of super wrapped primitives

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22:21

@ASCII-only they need some wrapping however

They'll need references and defined behavior for VSL ops

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No

Well not really

we just have a sequence of machine code ops that do VSL ops

If you want to modify the primitive prototypes this will be replaced with a VSL function

Um

I kinda wanted to compile objects directly to bytecode

since it will be way easier to self-host later

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@ASCII-only wait what

i thought you said we're not doing VM

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@Downgoat ;_; i am not computer, computer doctor is in different place than person doctor

yeah we're doing codegen

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anyway, i did thing for VSL on sketchboard

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were we not

@Downgoat :D yay

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22:36

wait can you do abstract class in C++

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22:49

ok added even more to sketchboar

CRAP its 4:00

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@Downgoat What happens at 4

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it mean 3/4 of day is gone and gaot hasn't accomplished anything

well i guess we got VSL progress

anyway ive made a good base for VSL structure

see sketchboard

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@Downgoat whoops sorry for distracting you

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