VSL

6:03 PM

@ASCII-only will have implicit type?

For functions I suggest a thing like this:

func name(args) {
    body
}

:P

name(args[: type])[: type] {
    body
}

Example:

so like no function keyword?

f(x: int, y: int): int {
    x * y;
}

6:05 PM

what about type: name(args: type) { body }

@Downgoat If functions are only top-level, this should not be a problem

e.g.

int: f(int: a, int: b) {
    a * b
}

But in a scripting language, effectively, fucntions can also be nested

^

@Downgoat Look really weird

6:06 PM

also lambdas

f: int(a: int, b: int) {
    a * b
}

@TheveryevilROFLcopter :/ it's basically C functions with :s

^ Better

@TheveryevilROFLcopter I think first suggestion was better

perhaps also:

f(a: int, b: int) -> int {
    body
}

btw are we gonna make in C++?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

6:08 PM

lets make with flex/bison :D

@ASCII-only gh org/repo pls so we can start werk

Flex/Bison don't want to build on my computer :/

;_;

install linux pls

I discovered this neat parser combinator for C: github.com/orangeduck/mpc

It works on my machine :D

But working with it is a pain

> Recursive Descent

@Downgoat What is the problem?

6:09 PM

say no to mpc

???

recursive descent is k = 0 i believe

Left-associative parsers can be made easily

Precedence is achieved with nested rules

yes, we shuold really be using LR parser for such a language

Why?

6:10 PM

recursive decent is practical for language's with a hell ton of properties

i.e. langs like:

var_name {
    keyword args
    keyword2 args
}

i.e. languages with different prefixes

since this is desined to be high-levelish

We'll probably have complex expression syntax

Recursive decent is not a problem with complex syntax

it will have killer time complexity

Comparison of parser generators

... not false

This is a list of notable lexer generators and parser generators for various language classes. == Regular languages == == Deterministic context-free languages == == Parsing expression grammars, deterministic boolean grammars == == General context-free, conjunctive or boolean languages == == Context-sensitive == == See also == Compiler-compiler List of lexer generators == References == == Notes == == External links == The Catalog of Compiler Construction Tools Open Source Parser Generators in Java...

idea: use VM for complication

Flex Bison is also super rapid fast

and easy debug

JIT compiling the language to a VM is actually a good idea

6:13 PM

though I'm not sure about speed

Script -> VM -> Machine code -> SPEED

we dont want all slowness of JVM

I think we should compile to LLVM

that way we can use LLVM optimizer

I have no idea how to properly perform code generation though

though everyone likes interpreted language

code generation is not too complicated

perhaps we could have both?

Lemme find one of my repos

6:15 PM

@TheveryevilROFLcopter No I mean like real code generation, not outputCode += "if ("

@Downgoat github.com/tuxcrafting/ultimath

It's a mathematica-like thing compiling to a VM

hm :/

@TheveryevilROFLcopter halp what should we call language

"Ches++"?

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ no

:O "GoatChes++"

._.

6:18 PM

BEST NAEM EVR

PScript

'PPCG semi-collaborative scripting language' -> 'PPCG' -> 'P' -> 'PScript'

-1 can be used for bathroom humor

we have to avoid name ridicule from TNB as much as possible

github.com/p-org/P

okay, how about "VSL" :P

It's an acronym for something?

6:20 PM

oh

originally in very early planning stages of cheddar it was called "VSL"

it stood for "Versatile Scripting Language"

Possible CC: ANTLR3

LL(*) parser generator with EBNF syntax

(code/grammar separated, generated lexer)

LL still? :/

LL parser are usually created by amateurs tho

There is also Lemon: LALR(1), grammar/code mixed, external parser, only works with C

are we not using flex bison because it doesn't work on your computer?

you can run flex/bison in linux VM if thats the case

@Downgoat For some reason VirtualBox don't like my internet card

6:25 PM

;_;

y everything bork on ROFLCopter computer

his compter bork so ours dont

Flex/bison is not really borked

Just my linker don't want to link because flex generate it own main

did you install correct libraries too?

So it's more blame-ld finally

oh

you need to do flex externally

6:26 PM

But TBH I only tried to compile a flex/bison code with CMake

idk how to cmake

have you tri Makefile/Makefile.in

No, I haven't tried automake

@betseg ;_;

@betseg btw do you hvae language naem suggesiton?

in The Nineteenth Byte, Aug 16 at 22:46, by Helka Homba

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Please don't speak like this. It lowers the tone of one of the few (usually) civilized places on the internet.

plsae spkea ni corcret englhs

6:29 PM

i got my lesson ;_;

;_; but dis no TNB

we can spaek howevr we want

;_; @HelkaHomba y u sai dis

and no reprecussion :D

so dis r a uncivilizd plaec

yes

naem suggetoin: uncivlz'd

USL: USL Scripting Language

no one needs to know what the first U stands for

6:32 PM

:O backronym

@TheveryevilROFLcopter this is nother example

if we wanted to parse our own language name we need LR parser

otherwise infinite left recursion bork

@betseg recursive acronym*

what is this for?

a new scripting language

:D:D:D Flex/Bison work on my machine

@Downgoat <value> (('+' | '-') <value>)*

problem fixed

But anyway Flex/Bison work :D:D:D

6:38 PM

@Downgoat what happened to cheddar?

A mouse ate the cheese?

CSL -> Collaborative Scripting Language

Hey?

what lang is the interpreter

Ah we will probably do it in C/C++

@TheveryevilROFLcopter +1

:D

6:50 PM

if we use c csl iz nice naem

@ConorO'Brien cheddar will still be a thing but this is more of a colaborative fast language

@Downgoat ah

PLZ SPAEK IN RIHGT ENGLIHS

nu

plz ;_;

6:51 PM

@TheveryevilROFLcopter \o/ \o////// \\\\\oooo///// :::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

if u spaek in rigth englihs i wil giv u cookie

^

i haev cookie rite next 2 me

;_;

75% of this looks like it was run through a shredder then glued back together

2

6:53 PM

of what?

this chat

ok lol

So what will be the name of the language?

so, lets assume we completed the spec. how do we build the interpreter?

With a compiler and a linker

@TheveryevilROFLcopter CSL is nice since we will use C/C++

@TheveryevilROFLcopter ಠ_ಠ

6:57 PM

Name of the language

@betseg @Downgoat @ConorO'Brien

I don't need to be pinged when I'm actively following the chat.

So the majority choose VSL

How dare swiss ches even be considered

Obviously a joke :P

But what do you don't like is swiss cheese?

Bcoz cheddar is better

Amirite

7:04 PM

So the thing will be named VSL

Now we need the syntax

And the paradigm

Python syntax /s

Ping me with the paradigm(s) you want for VSL

@TheveryevilROFLcopter Functional and imperative

gtg

@TheveryevilROFLcopter functional

7:28 PM

@TheveryevilROFLcopter OO & Functional

ಠ_ಠ for imperative

@betseg ಠ_ಠ

if we use python syntax then it is appropriate to name swiss

@TheveryevilROFLcopter pls maek GH repo

maek organization and add us

remind me what imperative is again

adjective
1.
absolutely necessary or required; unavoidable:
It is imperative that we leave.
2.
of the nature of or expressing a command; commanding.
3.
Grammar. noting or pertaining to the mood of the verb used in commands, requests, etc., as in Listen! Go!
Compare indicative (def 2), subjunctive (def 1).
noun
4.
a command.
5.
something that demands attention or action; an unavoidable obligation or requirement; necessity:
It is an imperative that we help defend friendly nations.
6.
Grammar.
the imperative mood.

thanks, that did not help

@ConorO'Brien its start at first line and then next line etc.

But not in good way

Its like python

7:32 PM

oh, like looping with gotos?

no one wants lang like python

oh

> Many imperative programming languages (such as Fortran, BASIC, and C) are abstractions of assembly language.

C is an imperative lang?

I don't think that makes Python imperative, then

@betseg not really

i mean in strictest sense but idk

7:36 PM

imperative programming relies on changing the programs state

(from wikipedia)

Wait wat

ok i know nothin about anything please ignore the gaot

somebody who knows these stuff inform the gaot and me plz

^^^^^

back

Front

7:38 PM

No

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

@TheveryevilROFLcopter yes

Y U DO DIS ;_;

;_; y u do dis, gaot sai y u do dos

@ConorO'Brien do you think they can create a lang ;_;

7:40 PM

I know we can

github.com/vsl-lang

(Downgoat and I)

I know ROFL can, he's made neoscript

Pls lets maek cool logo

no.

we should actually work on the language :P

;_;

7:41 PM

i can be the logo :P

@TheveryevilROFLcopter owner / admin pls

@betseg ಠ_ಠ

@TheveryevilROFLcopter ;_; y u fergit inviet dragin

@Downgoat u r now owner

D:

@TheveryevilROFLcopter :D thx

#include <stdio.h>

i begin code

7:43 PM

ಠ_ಠ

@Downgoat I invited Conor and ASCII-only

clearly first line should be folder

They just don't accepted the invite yet

ah

I did now

:)

7:44 PM

btw what license?

MIT?

> 1,001 contributions in the last year

woah dragin

Apache-2 is good license

TBH I prefer GPL

@betseg yes

7:44 PM

@TheveryevilROFLcopter ;____; Y U LIE TO GAOT Q____Q

@Downgoat huh weird

Done

For some reason it wasn't saved

i can gimp i can inkscape i can logo

so agree we maek in C++?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Is tehre a legitimate use to a quaternion library?

this is going to be... interesting.

7:45 PM

@Downgoat C

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

WTFPL linscence ftw

FOR THE LOVE OF ANYTHING HOLY TYPE LIKE YOU LEARNED ENGLISH

>_<

@betseg well first we need to decide if we will have picture for logo or just fancy text?

(caps were accidental but I'll keep them there)

picture: gimp

text: inkscape

i can both

7:46 PM

C++ is hardly interfacable with C, and I think we want VSL to be interfacable with C

but this is a scripting language..

Python/Lua/Ruby are all interfacable with C

strawpoll.me/11443432

(FFI, native libraries)

VSL \o/ \o/

btw first, should we decide on commit format/verified/2FA/sign-off?

7:48 PM

git commit -S -am "lol"

I am working on the Makefile

@Downgoat something easy to remember

I can make an alias

git commit -S -s for commit?

and should use master/release/develop/feature branching format?

ok, you should be able to use git co to commit

how? o-O

do I need to do anything on my part to make this work?

actually idk

can you clone the repo and tell me the contents of .git/config

7:55 PM

[core]
        repositoryformatversion = 0
        filemode = true
        bare = false
        logallrefupdates = true
[remote "origin"]
        url = github.com/vsl-lang/VSL
        fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
[branch "master"]
        remote = origin
        merge = refs/heads/master

:(

ok run git config --global alias.co 'commit -S -s'

now, if i edit a file, i just git co?

yeah

cool