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MD XF

00:34

@Dennis So should I convert Cubically-SBCS to UTF-8 or the other way around?

Dennis

@LuisMendo 356 MiB after cleaning the cache, for both Pythons. Syncing should be done in ~2 minutes.

@MDXF Whichever you think is easier. I'm converting to UTF-8 for Jelly, so I can use UTF-8 in the remainder of the source code.

MD XF

Also @Dennis can you add Makefile as a language? It can do quines and hello world

@Dennis Oh okay, sounds good.

And UTF-8 is reverse compatible with ASCII, correct?

Dennis

Yes.

MD XF

Cool! That should be easier than I thought.

Dennis

That's pretty much why UTF-8 is more popular than other choices, at least in the Western world.

MD XF

00:44

So my interpreter is going to take a flag that tells it whether to read UTF-8 or Cubically-SBCS. Do I have to perform any conversions at all, or can I just do something like if ((codepage == SBCS && char_read == 0x01) || (codepage == UTF8 && char_read == '\u2028')) { do_command(1); } ? Basically, read it as SBCS if it's SBCS, read it as UTF-8 if it's UTF-8, no conversions necessary

ASCII-only

@MDXF you don't have to convert

MD XF

YAY

That makes my life sooo much easier

@ASCII-only mind if I steal half of Charcoal's codepage?

ASCII-only

@MDXF ... why would it not be valid

@MDXF okay

MD XF

@ASCII-only I thought some conversion had to take place for it to be allowed

ASCII-only

but what would cubically need to use it for

MD XF

00:46

I added multiple cube sizes, and now I need commands to turn the inner layers of the cube

I'm gonna use the subscript unicode characters to define the layer

ASCII-only

@MDXF nope it's fine as long as a program with that bytecount is valid

MD XF

I'm gonna use Charcoal's 0xB0 through 0xB9

ASCII-only

@MDXF feature-request higher-dimensional cubes :P

MD XF

@ASCII-only You mean like a hexagonal cube? Or a dodecahedron cube?

Cubically can currently handle any 6xNxN cube, where N is the third argument passed to the interpreter

Pavel

higher-dimesntional cubes I think means like hypercube and 5d cube

ASCII-only

00:50

@MDXF >_> hexagonal cube is not cube

MD XF

Speaking of which, @Dennis can you pull Cubically? I made some changes to how the interpreter needs to be invoked, see README

ASCII-only

@Pavel *tesseract/octachoron

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Working! Thanks a lot!

Pavel

Right. A hypercube is an n-dimensional "cube".

ASCII-only

@Pavel yeah

MD XF

00:52

Hmm... that's not a bad idea, just painful to implement

Ugh I just escaped from a week of intensive Cubically development, now I'm back into it ;-;

ASCII-only

@MDXF not impossible

@MDXF btw 10 chars isn't half

MD XF

@ASCII-only I know I'm using some other things probably

Is there an ASCII charset table in Markdown or HTML?

ASCII-only

@MDXF definitely

MD XF

... link?

ASCII-only

@MDXF rapidtables.com/code/text/ascii-table.htm

MD XF

01:01

Cool thanks

Anything more like Charcoal's SBCS table?

ASCII-only

@MDXF just use charcoal/jelly's

brb writing generator in charcoal

MD XF

@ASCII-only Oh are they reverse compatible with ASCII? cool

Dennis

@MDXF So basically I have to add fu before the filename?

ASCII-only

@MDXF yeah (well ascii printables at least)

MD XF

@Dennis Yep.

@ASCII-only Yeah. Ok cool

Dennis

01:06

@MDXF Alright. Syncing.

MD XF

Thanks!

ASCII-only

01:17

@MDXF tio.run/…

:| 74 bytes

Pavel

02:11

> \\n

ASCII-only

04:30

@Pavel what

ASCII-only

04:42

@Dennis Can you pull Charcoal? Thanks

Dennis

@ASCII-only Should be done syncing. (DSL died on me.)

@ASCII-only Something like this? dev.tio.run (not done yet, not live yet)

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Pavel

YES

That's awesome.

ASCII-only

@Dennis nice, but I think you should keep the categories separate

also I was going for something different but this way works a lot better

Pavel

I don't think the check boxes for the search field really help, but other than that, awesome.

Maybe call it "search" and not "query"

ASCII-only

@Pavel why not

Dennis

04:57

@Pavel I figure some people do not care about one kind of language. I intend to make it "remember" your choice, so if you're not into recreational programming, you can hide the whole lot.

@ASCII-only Hm, I'm not convinced that would work well with the search function. Having search results in categories isn't exactly common.

Pavel

But screen space.

I don't think it offers enough of a benefit.

ASCII-only

@Dennis hmm true, maybe you could sort by practical/recreational before alphabetically?

Pavel

@Dennis Idea: Once you start searching, the categories merge, but if the field is empty, keep them seperate.

Dennis

@Pavel You're wasting a lot more screen space if you want to hide half of them but can't.

Pavel

Once you've typed out the lang name, it's kind of unlikely you'll get pracitcal and recreational languages left

Dennis

05:00

@Pavel You can get just that if you deselect a category.

Pavel

I suppose

Dennis

@ASCII-only Hm, that would require some sort of divisor. It's just confusing otherwise.

Pavel

Minor nitpick: the search field supports autocomplete, but that autocomplete prompts me to select one of several options I've entered into other fields on on other completely unrelated websites.

Dennis

My intention is to make the subdivision in categories optional. I think checkboxes are the best way to offer both.

Pavel

Seriously though. Query isn't a great label.

Dennis

05:05

@Pavel Other sites that used the element ID query, I see. I guess it could use a unique name. Before I implement keyboard navigation to select a language, it's rather useless though.

Pavel

True, but it bothers me anyway >_<

Dennis

Probably best to turn it off, as I want arrow keys to be able to select a language without using the mouse.

@Pavel I'm not attached to Query. Search is fine by me.

Pavel

I think that's much better

Adám

05:21

@Pavel I don't like that Query is regex. I'd rather have plain text matching. E.g. I'd like to use \ to find \/ and (if we ever get it) APL\360

Also, "C++" does not allow me to find C++.

Dennis

Hm, plain text matching might indeed be better.

The backslash isn't that problematic, but + is bound to create confusion.

Dennis

05:40

OK, renamed Query to Search, disabled autocomplete, and replaced regex with a case-insensitive plain text search.

Adám

@Dennis That's much better.

Dennis

Unless something major comes up, I'll go live when I wake up tomorrow. Additional features can always be added later.

Dennis

06:07

After that's done, I'll add Hack and Julia 0.6.

@MDXF And Make. Forgot to acknowledge that earlier.

Mr. Xcoder

07:34

Great search bar +1

Business Cat

15:05

@Dennis Can you pull Swap?

HyperNeutrino

16:10

@Dennis Could you look into adding Proton onto TIO? The GitHub link is here: github.com/alexander-liao/proton To run it, just run ./proton <filename>. Thanks!

Business Cat

You made another language?

HyperNeutrino

yup

MD XF

16:36

@Dennis can you pull Cubically?

Dennis

17:18

@HyperNeutrino I'll add it to the list.

@BusinessCat Syncing.

@MDXF Syncing. FYI it seems like you're missing an import.

lang.c: In function ‘main’:
lang.c:74:17: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘getwc’; did you mean ‘getw’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
         int c = getwc(in);
                 ^~~~~
                 getw
lang.c: In function ‘do_skip’:
lang.c:314:9: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘ungetwc’; did you mean ‘ungetc’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
         ungetwc(c,in);
         ^~~~~~~
         ungetc

Went live with the search thingie.

MD XF

Oh yeah, #include <wchar.h>

Step Hen

@Dennis those checkboxes are really pretty by the way

MD XF

@Dennis Oh that's very nice

Dennis

17:38

:)

Business Cat

@Dennis Thanks

Dennis

19:38

@HyperNeutrino Do you have a Hello World?

HyperNeutrino

@Dennis print("Hello, World!") :P

Dennis

19:57

@HyperNeutrino I didn't think it would, but that works. tio.run/##KyjKL8nP@/@/oCgzr0RDySM1JydfRyE8vygnRVFJU8Eq4P9/AA

HyperNeutrino

... the :P isn't in the codeblock but WHAT THAT ACTUALLY WORKS yay thanks!

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis Nice, I see you updated tio with that search bar. It's just wonderful :)

HyperNeutrino

wait search bar? :D

Mr. Xcoder

HyperNeutrino

ik :P but I was expressing my yay-iness :P

Mr. Xcoder

20:05

Ok :P

Dennis

Glad y'all like it. :)

HyperNeutrino

:) it's great. thanks for making fancy search bar :D

Mr. Xcoder

Jelly also needs a fancy search bar to replace CTRL/CMD+F

:P

HyperNeutrino

20:23

yes I've been meaning to start that but I keep forgetting xD

MD XF

21:25

@Dennis can you pull Cubically?

Dennis

21:44

@MDXF Syncing.

MD XF

Thanks!

Just curious - have you looked into setting up some way to automatically pull repos when they've been updated?

Dennis

Working on it, but it will be a while until that includes compiled languages.

MD XF

Ah okay, makes sense

Seems that it could just be pulled/compiled on a regular schedule using cron jobs

Dennis

That also won't happen for compiled languages, at least not in the near future.

MD XF

By 'compiled languages' I'm assuming you mean languages that have an interpreter that needs to be compiled?

Dennis

22:02

@MDXF Yes, indeed. I have to figure out a way to sandbox the building process first.

HyperNeutrino

@Dennis Could you pull Proton? Thanks!

Also couldn't people theoretically make languages that would break Dennis's computer?

Then again using bash on TIO would have the same effect, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I hope nobody's that mean. And Dennis probably wouldn't let that happen anyway :P

anyway o/

MD XF

@Dennis Ah ok. Good luck!

Also, TehPers found another bug in Cubically, it didn't look like a big deal but he posted an answer that requires it to be fixed, would you mind re-syncing? Sorry to bother you so often with Cubically sync-requests.

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