@Dennis could you pull Brain-Flak 1.4.0

@WheatWizard Just git pull, yes? If so, done.

@ais523 tio.run/nexus/shove#@6@koJOfk5PqoRSmAAFlXArBSoopOUX54Uo2//8DAA

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@NickClifford I don't seem to know enough about Ruby/rake to build. After installing rubygem-rake and rubygem-rake-compiler, I ran rake and it said the following.

rake aborted!
LoadError: cannot load such file -- rspec/core/rake_task
/opt/Ohm/Rakefile:3:in `<top (required)>'
(See full trace by running task with --trace)

@Dennis How could you see eight (7+1) arrows when I could only see the 1? I feel like I'm being badly trolled. Also, when you moved 28 messages to TTS, I could again only see one arrow. Posting evidence in the Sandbox. Please note that I do see arrows in other cases, I dunno what's going on here...

@Dennis thanks!

@Dennis You'll have to install RSpec first if you want to run rake.

I mean, technically rake is not required at the moment, since the C interface I use it for is broken, but just for future reference if/when I fix it.

@Dennis could you update Alice? I decided to add functions to work with command-line arguments and fixed another bug.

@MartinEnder Done.

nice, thank you :)

@Dennis Also, in general, it's best to install Bundler when working with Ruby projects since they automatically parse Gemfiles.

@Dennis Could you please pull Chip? No rush, very minor bug fix.

@Phlarx Done.

@NickClifford I seem to have raked successfully. Do you have a Hello World program I can test?

@Dennis "Hello World"

@BasicSunset tio.run/nexus/ohm#@6/kkZqTk6@jEJ5flJOiqPT/PwA

I think I have a polyglot entry combining 05AB1E and Jelly; however the 05AB1E code contains unprintable characters in it's codepage (cp1252) - is there a way to make the TIO link contain them?

certainly not using Jelly's SBCS.

Actually nvm forgot how plus work. Both languages must get the same bytes, independent of encoding.

*polyglots

yes I believe I have they bytes correct, just want to make a TIO link including bytes 0x18 and 0x04

OK - I have copied from a hex dump from notepad++ and see the unprintable representations (boxes with 0004 and 0018 inside), seems right!

I have the distinct feeling that I just got outgolfed.

Ha ha!

@Dennis please pull Brain-Flak

@Pavel Hold up

Oh?

All the changes are on the dev branch so that wont do anything

I have a few more changes to make before I push to releases, so give it a couple of minutes

you can always use the desktop version

Don't have, and am unable to install, Ruby. :(

well just be a bit patient. I have a few things I need to fix.

k

@Pavel 1.4.1 has now been released

@Dennis ^ please pull

Done.

@Dennis What branch does TIO use?

master

Ok good to know

Brain-Flak is multiple interpreters in one now, yes?

Yes it interprets 4 languages now

You could add all of them with a -l in the wrapper.

@WheatWizard Should those be added as separate languages?

There are some advantages: no need to pass a flag, correct header in automagic answer generate, and separate Hello World tests to make sure nothing broke.

Ok seems like a good idea

I really should figure out that input issue though, or just resign and keep all like they are.

I'll see if I can come up with a solution today.

I for one would be willing to go update all the Brain-Flak answers with new TIO links if you make the change. Most of them are mine anyway and it would be a nice trip through the last year of Brain-Flak.

There are 210 Brain-Flak answers, and you'd have to edit them in batches in order to not flood the front page.

Oh yeah I didn't think of that

I'd still be willing

To be clear: Brain-Flak doesn't read anything from STDIN, and probably won't in the future, yes?

yeah

errr

no

If you think it should, I don't see why not. But currently it's CLA or a file

The @ij flag does read from STDIN

@WheatWizard OK, that complicates matters. I was going to hide the Input field and dump its contents into CLAs, but I can't do that if the input field is required.

@Dennis How can you tell? I have a hard time searching by language

Is it just brain-flak is:a?

You might need quotes around brain-flak

@DJMcMayhem The thing is, for reasons I no longer remember, I take input from a file and pretend it's STDIN. That bugs me, as running something on TIO should be as close as possible to running it on your own computer. I want TIO to take input from CLAs, but I don't want to break existing permalinks...

That removes 11 results

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, that's what I used. 199 with quotes. Not sure where the difference comes from.

It's really hard to search for V answers cause of the name lol

I get 592 which I can guarantee is wrong

It gets results like this because of variable choice

Rename it to Vimim.

And edit 100+ answers? nah

:P

@DJMcMayhem Well, that would solve all my problems at once. ;)

@Dennis If you want to separate the four flak-languages to their own TIO pages, I have no problem with that, but they're all pretty minor and won't really get used very often, so it doesn't seem like a big deal to me

Mini-flak is backwards compatible other than the NOOPS/comments, classic is cool but only used in rare circumstances, and flueue is a joke

I can't think of any downsides though, so this is a why not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯situation.

What's Brain-Flueue anyway?

It is Brain-Flak except instead of stacks it uses two queues

It's exactly the same as brain-flak except that it uses queues instead of stacks.

Yeah, that ^^

Tbh I've never used it before

Its way harder to use than Brain-Flak

So FIFO instead of LIFO?

Yep

That sounds painful.

@DJMcMayhem If you were going to do what, how would you decide if the interpreter should take input from STDIN or CLAs?

Hmmmm

-i?

That doesn't really help. I'd still have to bake -i into my wrapper for backwards compatibility, so placing input in CLAs would still not work.

The main Brain-Flak is still called Brain-Flak, yes?

@Dennis Thanks!

@Dennis Yeah

OK, so renaming it to brain-flak-whatever is out. (That's what I did with Perl, which went from perl to perl5because CLAs got mistakenly interpreted as CLOs.)

I guess I could drop the hypen. That would just be for the internal id, not the actual name that's displayed in the interpreter.

@Dennis Wait, what is the problem you're trying to fix?

I want TIO's Brain-Flak to take input from Arguments (CLAs) instead of Input (STDIN) to make it more similar to the offline interpreter. At the same time, I do not want to break existing permalinks.

That might be fine for numeric inputs, but using arguments for string input will be extremely inconvenient

OK, if there's actually a downside to this, I won't. Why is it inconvenient though?

Well, I guess it depends on how you do it

If you have 5 numeric inputs, you'd give 5 arguments right?

Yes.

But if a five character string required five arguments, that would be really weird

Oh, you'd have to specify them as separate arguments?

I'm not sure. I usually take input from a file

Actually, I rarely ever run it locally

Well, the obvious solution would be making input from STDIN the default then. ;)

(partially kidding, I wouldn't expect you to change your interpreter just because I goofed up the TIO wrapper)

@Dennis Did you want hello worlds for those other languages?

@WheatWizard That would be nice, but no rush. I'd like to conclude the input issue before turning it into 4 issues.

@DJMcMayhem you could change the interpreter to accept long strings as arguments and split them by characters.

@Dennis Where are the wrappers located again? I wanna see how the ><> wrapper works.

/srv/wrappers

Hmm... it seems to be correct.

I was trying to use -v in ><>.

Got it to work, yeah.