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ASCII-only

12:04 AM

I'd try to work on the grass one but i have no idea what they're doing here

Conor O'Brien

12:14 AM

me in a nutshell

ASCII-only

oh wait

blue.sky.or.jp/grass under intuitive explanation

there are preinitialized variables

each run of W and w is one function application, ws at the start and after v are argument counts, W is the function index from top of stack, w is argument index

ASCII-only

12:30 AM

wv														: id
wwWWwWWWwv												: \ f x -> f (f x)
Wwwww													: + 2
WWw														: + 4
WWWw													: + 8
WWWWw													: + 16
WWWWWw													: + 32
WWWWWWw													: + 64
WWWWWWWw												: + 128
Wwwwwwwwwwwww											: du + 128
WWWWw													: du + 160
WWWWWWWw												: du + 168
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWw											: du + 169 = SP
WWWWWWWWWWWww											: du + 170 = !
WWWWWWWWWWww											: du + 177
WWWWWWWWWWWWw											: du + 181 = ,
WWWWWWWWWWww											: du + 209 = H

@Dennis grass

ASCII-only

12:52 AM

@ConorO'Brien hackmd.io/CwDgRmCMYJwgtJYkBM9jAKyfuFBDXSAEwDYQUVT8QBmABiA=

Conor O'Brien

cool!

unsurprisingly, I got sidetracked making an esolang

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien haha

Dennis

1:20 AM

@ASCII-only All live. Thanks!

ASCII-only

Error: ConorOBrien.programming.language.esoteric.created.length has overflowed

Conor O'Brien

ugh

ConorOBrien.programming.language.esoteric.created = realloc(ConorOBrien.programming.language.esoteric.created, 100000)

(but it's really cool it's like a lisp thing that'll compile to parenthetic)

betseg

the hello world button is new, right?

Conor O'Brien

yes

ASCII-only

@betseg yeah

I could do the HBCHT one but it would take too much rearranging :(

betseg

1:43 AM

@Dennis layout is kinda borked on mobile

Dennis

You clearly need a bigger phone.

betseg

Lol

Btw thats 5.1 inch and full hd

ASCII-only

:| exact same for me i thought my phone was better than that

Dennis

Currently in the middle of something. I'll fix it after that.

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien That's what I suggested too lol

Conor O'Brien

1:49 AM

oh lol

my phone is tiny, not gonna bother checking :P

Conor O'Brien

2:09 AM

tio.run/##K0gsSs0ryUgtyUz@/…

non golfed proper hello world

Dennis

@Cowsquack I've split sed into version 4.2.2 and the latest stable version now. Old permalinks should once again work without errors.

Dennis

2:29 AM

@betseg Could you try again?

@Phoenix Could you check if that still happens?

@ConorO'Brien Nice! Any particular reason for the layout?

Conor O'Brien

oh no that was just aesthetic

whitespace is not important

Phoenix

@Dennis It's fixed now!

Dennis

Neat. That should do until I have time to overhaul the page structure.

@ConorO'Brien Live now. Thanks again!

Conor O'Brien

no problem!

luser droog

3:13 AM

@Phoenix Thanks. Maybe it's not the right time to try to add PostScript. My interpreter also needs more security features like -dSAFER for disabling file operators before it would be appropriate for this use.

Phoenix

@luserdroog You shouldn't need security features, TIO can safely handle running Bash, C, and ELF files, so it's extremely doubtful your language can cause any harm.

luser droog

Hm. I see. Well, then maybe it is worthwhile. Graphics is the primary use of ps, but it does work with just text i/o by using the null graphics device. I haven't tested on Fedora exactly. But it compiles and runs on Linux, Solaris, Cygwin, Mingw, and has VC solutions. BSD licence. github.com/luser-dr00g/xpost

Phoenix

@Dennis I think ^ is a language request.

Dennis

3:33 AM

@luserdroog The language is PostScript and the implementation is xpost. Is that correct?

luser droog

Yes.

Dennis

Alright, I'll take a look later.

luser droog

Awesome. I'll stay logged in here, but also

Dennis

You can't delete a message after five minutes, so I removed it. I can read deleted messages anyway.

luser droog

Awesome. Thanks.

ASCII-only

3:37 AM

@luserdroog on this I just managed to glitch the ball to stay on the top how could you do this D:

luser droog

Wow. I forgot all about that. Got to load Flash to pull it up....

ASCII-only

fun fact: i almost started cs50x a few years back

Dennis

@luserdroog How would I print Hello World?

ASCII-only

i was working on the scratch thing for way too long but then i lost the project >_>

luser droog

echo (Hello World) = | xpost -dev null

Oops. missing quotes.

echo "(hello world) =" | xpost -dev null

Dennis

3:48 AM

@Phoenix It worked. tio.run/##SypKzMxLys/…

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@Dennis D: oh no compiler warnings

Dennis

I thought I fixed that already.

Forgot to git add. >_<

Should be gone in 2 minutes.

@luserdroog Do I run that from the shell? Is there a way to take the code form a file?

luser droog

Yes. Just mention files on the command-line.

-dev null should be first to suppress the graphics window.

Dennis

Alright.

Dennis

4:06 AM

@luserdroog That didn't work, but --device=null did. Is there a way to avoid the PS> prompt at the end?

Ah, exit.

luser droog

Good question. Hmm. It wlll only try to prompt if isatty(stdin).

quit. exit will terminate but may print an error.

exit is for breaking out of loops.

Dennis

Ah, that explains the 128 KiB or debugging information.

luser droog

Dang. I left a lot of warts showing. :)

There is extra error and internal logging which should be suppressed unless enabled in the configure script. But I or Vincent may have left it on while working on it.

Dennis

@luserdroog tio.run/##K8gvLilOLsosKNGtKACy///…

luser droog

Wow. Good work!

Dennis

4:20 AM

@luserdroog I suggest something similar for STDERR. [32;1mINF[0m looks a bit weird outside a terminal.

luser droog

I'm actually still compiling it on this new laptop. Turns out I didn't have libtool.

@Dennis Good idea.

Fatalize

6:49 AM

@Dennis Thanks!

Cows quack

9:20 AM

@Dennis :D

ASCII-only

11:47 AM

@Dennis Can you pull Charcoal? Thanks

Poke

1:34 PM

In Hexagony I'm supposed to be able to pass the program argument -g that takes an integer which will not run any code and instead print an empty source file with the given side length. I'm not sure this works currently on TIO unless I'm doing something wrong. Try it online!

If I'm not doing something wrong my guess is that you're not supposed to pass a source code file to the interpreter when using this feature?

@MartinEnder Do you have more information regarding my comment

Martin Ender

the issue is just that the interpreter is stupid and can't take these arguments at the end of the invocation (where TIO puts them) but only if they are in front of the source file name

Poke

ah

i also seem to have left stuff in the input box which probably didn't help

Martin Ender

I thought Dennis had hardcoded the -d flag at some point, but maybe I'm misremembering that

either way the best way to write and debug hexagony code is timwi's esoIDE

Poke

gotta learn to crawl before i can walk, bud

Martin Ender

let me know in the esolangs room if you have any questions about the language (chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/27364/…)

Poke

1:42 PM

okay thanks

Wheat Wizard

2:50 PM

@Dennis Could you install V? It requires the parsec haskell package.

Dennis

3:22 PM

@ASCII-only Done.

@WheatWizard Sure. Just have to figure out what to call it. >_>

Erik the Outgolfer

@Dennis how about V (FMota)?

Dennis

That doesn't follow TIO's naming convention, which uses Language (implementation) for everything else.

ASCII-only

3:43 PM

@Dennis \/ maybe

Dennis

Considered that. Kinda hurts searchability though.

ASCII-only

Then you probably have to rename it to something like Braintree or something

Dennis

That's even worse. \/ hurts searchability because the language's name is V.

ASCII-only

Hmm then maybe special syntax? e.g. V [Vim] vs V [Brainfuck]

Wheat Wizard

3:59 PM

If your going to introduce a new convention V [Fmota] is probably better

V [Brainfuck] seems just confusing to me

DJMcMayhem

Oh dear...

That's gonna be a headache

Dennis

And it's all your fault. :P

DJMcMayhem

Why can't it be Francisco Mota's fault?

Dennis

I was going to say because his V is from 2007. But he isn't here and can't defend himself, so let's go with his fault. :P

DJMcMayhem

I'm ok with that haha

Cows quack

4:12 PM

well what about this: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/44255?m=36788390#36788390 ?

Dennis

Silently replace the known V with an entirely unrelated language? Sure, that's not going to create any confusion at all. >_>

Wheat Wizard

Solution: make an interpreter that heuristically determines which language it is and then interprets the code in that language.

Dennis

Hey, that could save a lot of space in the language selector!

Erik the Outgolfer

@Dennis let's ask francisco to change the language name to add it to tio ;)

Wheat Wizard

Is TIO case sensitive?

I see it is not

Dennis

4:22 PM

@WheatWizard It was, but @DJMcMayhem made me change that.

.oO(It really is all his fault.)

Wheat Wizard

How did you solve this problem for ><> and fish?

I see you just appended -shell to fish

how about V-trees

Dennis

Yes, so ><> is fish, while Fish is fish-shell, because that totally makes sense. >_>

Erik the Outgolfer

and urls are supposed to make much sense

Wheat Wizard

Every time I want to use fish I end up at ><> and become very confused.

Dennis

Sadly, changing the IDs is impossible without breaking all existing permalinks.

Eh, I'll just call it \/. Unlike the IDs, the names can be changed later without too much hassle.

@WheatWizard Do you happen to have a Hello World?

Wheat Wizard

4:34 PM

No I don't

I can make one

Dennis

That would be great.

Wheat Wizard

but I can't actually run V locally at the moment

Dennis

Oh.

Wheat Wizard

I might be able to do so in about 6 hours. But thats in 6 hours and there is still a good chance I won't be able to anyway

Conor O'Brien

as long as we're throwing out confusion "javascript" doesn't exist because it's javascript-node :P

Dennis

4:36 PM

I'm afraid I don't follow.

Cows quack

@ConorO'Brien you can add "java" to the list

Conor O'Brien

tio.run/#javascript

Dennis

Ah. Well, the IDs need to be descriptive for the backend.

Wheat Wizard

@Dennis I don't have access to a computer that can compile the V at the moment. I have another computer at home that might be able to do so, but I won't be home for 6 hours, and even then I might not be able to get it to work because that computer has some pretty serious hardware issues.

Conor O'Brien

is it on github?

Dennis

4:39 PM

@WheatWizard Alright, I'll try with the translation table from Esolangs.

Wheat Wizard

@ConorO'Brien No, here

Conor O'Brien

I can test it. just compile it?

Wheat Wizard

You need the parsec library but other than that yes

Conor O'Brien

should it compile without it? because it did lol

Wheat Wizard

I certainly doesn't compile on my machine without it

Perhaps you have it installed for some other reason

Conor O'Brien

4:42 PM

ok

how do I use it?

Wheat Wizard

Pass it the name of a file

Conor O'Brien

any particular file?

Wheat Wizard

it should contain your code ideally

Conor O'Brien

what can I run to make sure it works? :P

Wheat Wizard

I don't know. I have not written much in the language

Cows quack

4:46 PM

There is a brainf → V converter at the bottom of this page: esolangs.org/wiki/V_(FMota)

if that helps

Conor O'Brien

oh I thought it was your language lol

Dennis

@Cowsquack Afaict that doesn't work.

Conor O'Brien

sorry, my ghc is broken :/

Dennis

I can only get it to loop infinitely.

Wheat Wizard

hm. I'll play with it when I get home. Until then don't worry about it

Dennis

4:54 PM

@MartinEnder I can enable command-line options (which go before the file name) for Hexagony. Should I do the same for other languages of yours.

DJMcMayhem

@Cowsquack Now I'd love to see a brainfuck to V (vim) converter :P

Martin Ender

5:22 PM

@Dennis Hexagony and Labyrinth I guess. I think Alice and SKS don't have the same problem. I don't know about B&C to be honest.

Dennis

OK, I'll add it for those two.

@MartinEnder I removed that for Nexus iirc since you can no longer "turn off" debugging output.

Martin Ender

ah right

well those -d flags only print stuff if you also include debug commands in the source code so they should be fine

Dennis

Ah, I didn't realize that.

Phlarx

7:06 PM

@Dennis It look like it works, so long as you don't wrap around to the left (translated, mostly not golfed from the non-wrapping variety in the brainfuck Hello World answer):

\/>>>\/\\/>\/\\/>\/\\>\>\\>\[/\/>>>>\[/\/\>>>\[/\/\>>>>\\/>>\/\>>>/\//\//>\/\]/\//>\‌/\]/\//\/>>>\]/\/\\\\./\/\\/>>\/\\/>\/\./\/\\./\/\./\/>\>>>>\>>>\./\/>\\/>>\/\\[/\/\\/>\/\‌./\//\//\/\]/\/

Phlarx

9:43 PM

@Dennis, could you pull Chip when you get a chance?

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