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17:01
According to Jürgen Schmidhuber, Le Cun, Bengio & Hinton (LBH) fail to credit the pioneers of the deep learning field, which originated half a century ago, while they keep on citing each other and call themselves "deep learning conspiracy", which is completely ridicolous. Alexey Grigorevich Ivakhnenko is the actual father of deep learning.
It is completely ridiculous to give the Turing Award to Le Cun, Bengio and Hinton, while people like Alexey Ivakhnenko, Vladimir Vapnik and Linnainmaa have not received it.
> Machine learning is the science of credit assignment. The machine learning community itself profits from proper credit assignment to its members. The inventor of an important method should get credit for inventing it. She may not always be the one who popularizes it. Then the popularizer should get credit for popularizing it (but not for inventing it).
> Relatively young research areas such as machine learning should adopt the honor code of mature fields such as mathematics: if you have a new theorem, but use a proof technique similar to somebody else's, you must make this very clear. If you "re-invent" something that was already known, and only later become aware of this, you must at least make it clear later.
I couldn't agree more. I think people have really given too much importance to Le Cun, Bengio and Hinton.
ACM writes
> Fathers of the Deep Learning Revolution Receive ACM A.M. Turing Award
> Bengio, Hinton and LeCun Ushered in Major Breakthroughs in Artificial Intelligence
Ridiculous! ACM is probably a joke!
According to ACM
> Since its inception in 1966, the Turing Award has honored the computer scientists and engineers who created the systems and underlying theoretical foundations that have propelled the information technology industry
 
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19:14
"Machine learning is the science of credit assignment." Seems like a familiar writing style :-)
However, I have a lot of time for Jürgen Schmidhuber, even if he tells the same three jokes in every conference (at least from what I see on Youtube)
And I agree about this being mainly PR. But IMO Hinton, Le Cun or Bengio are not Salieri s compared to some earlier Mozart - I expect this is an earlier access barrier (USSR was quite a closed state during Ivakhnenko's tenure) that has made it convenient to ignore the first contributions to the field, for some people.
Hopefully, as he writes, history will edit things to the correct credit assigned
I had the great opportunity to follow a course taught by Schmidhuber. Apparently, he tells more or less the same jokes everywhere, but he tells them with class and I find them funny.
19:33
@NeilSlater By the way, if I am not wrong, in the last years, his research team has been mainly doing research on reinforcement learning. One of the most interesting papers they have published is the World Models, which you probably have already heard of.
 
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22:59
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