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02:43
@AlanMunn Now I am, but you're not :-)
 
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07:25
@percusse I really like these manually assembled loose letters - this looks (IMHO) much nicer than all the printed signs. Much more personal.
07:36
@topskip I remember a pub where the menu was written by a chalk on a blackboard. They offered no more than 5 meals for every day, but the service and the meals were perfect. On the other hand, many restarurants with perfectly looking menu have awful prices and awful meals ;)
07:48
@Canageek Fix for achemso on way to CTAN
08:02
@andrewstacey beamer code updated: I plan to do the next release once I'm sure TL2013 is frozen (there are a few changes, and I don't want a potentially-dodgy version going on the DVD)
@topskip did you see those spam articles at texwelt.de?
@Rico no, I didn't. You mean spam comments? We should install a spam prevention plugin
@topskip no, I mean Spam articles like those: texwelt.de/wp-admin/…
@Rico How can this be? I mean, how can anybody write an article without being logged in?!?!
@topskip afak everyone can make an account and write articles without one of us accept it
08:06
(I see, Stefan already installed an anti spam plugin)
@Rico not good :)
@topskip do you? I can't see the plugin menu o.O
@Rico On the dashboard you can see sth like "... has saved you from ... number of spam comments"
@topskip ah, well this is small :D but this is only protecting us against comments I think
@Rico right
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So, I have the impression that my equations (using kpfonts) are too tight vertically, is that a) common and b) is there a good fix ? Never had this sort of issue before
08:11
@topskip not good...
@topskip if I find the time, I'll create a little logo for us tonight
08:28
@ach image / MWE?
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one moment
@tohecz the 2 from the 1/2 in the second line looks too close to the 2 exponent in line 3
@ach IMHO looks fine. However, you're free to fine-tune the vertical spacing by adding for instance \\[0.3ex] between the two lines (yes, 0.3ex should be just right)
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ah right, I forgot I could do that. Thanks for the opinion + info @tohecz
@ach you're welcome :)
@JosephWright Great!
08:36
@ach It's possible to globally increase the amount of space between two lines, by setting \jot to a value larger than the default 3pt. But I wouldn't recommend this.
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@egreg I don't know what \jot is (is it like \baselineskip for maths?) but I wouldn't want to do a global adjust anyway
@ach It's a dimension parameter: \setlength{\jot}{6pt}
It's an "additional" space, inserted along with the baselineskip.
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aha, and it's used when ?
@ach in all the AMS multi line displays
@ach All amsmath displays add it between lines. (As David says; he's more reactive than usual, today).
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08:39
but not vanilla equation ?
@ach equation has only one line!
@ach that's only one line anyway so there is no "between lines" in that case
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I guess it would be eqnarray - but that uses some kind of tabular ?
@ach don't use eqnarray (egreg is typing the same thing now)
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obviously
must be like reflex
saying that I mean
:)
08:42
@ach Also eqnarray uses the additional \jot spacing. Not that it's a good reason to use the environment.
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ok, learned something new again today :)
08:57
Oh no! somebody voted for me before I had an accept: reputation 111116 :( I suppose I'll have to try again for 222222 :-)
@DavidCarlisle i can revert my vote if you like
@DavidCarlisle better? :)
heyo
@egreg hello :)
@DominicMichaelis Hello!
I think I found 2 bugs in tikz-cd :D
@Rico too late: its moved on to 111146. No: 222222 is the new target.
09:02
@David you can masive downvote other answers just for the number :D
@DavidCarlisle ok I revote for you :) looks like people like your answer more than my question ;)
@Rico of course:-)
@DavidCarlisle well smells bad over here, could be self-praise, but not sure ;)
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{tikz-cd}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzcd}
 0 \arrow{r} & [0,1]
\end{tikzcd}
\end{document}
this is a bug isn't it ? It ignores the [0,1]
I guess he thinks it is an option but i am not sure
@Rico actually I think all the mixed case logos are silly, it was sort of a reasonable joke the first time for TeX but LaTeX BiBTeX WhAtEvErTeX just gets tiresome.
09:08
@David well in Germany it helps a bit that LaTeX is not written Latex ;)
@DominicMichaelis I guess it has to do with TikZ parsing mechanisms. Use {[0,1]}
@egreg jupp {} [0,1] works too
@DominicMichaelis Maybe the tikz-cd manual should mention it. The author is usually responsive.
And tikz-cd don't like empty places. you need at least a {} in it else it doesn't compile for me
@DominicMichaelis I think that the first entry should be non empty. But I haven't used the package very much.
09:11
@DavidCarlisle agreed! I think it mostly is a problem of identification. Everyone is trying to link its programm, or whatever, to LaTeX. Therefore you create some sort of TeX like logo. This question popped in my mind after thinking about how to design the logo for the new german communiy blog.
@egreg jupp the first entry musn't be empty
@DavidCarlisle It's BibTeX, actually. ;-)
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at least it's arara not ArArA or aRaRa
@egreg I can never remember:-)
@DavidCarlisle You can switch to M$ W@#d
09:15
@ach It might be ARAЯA :P
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@tohecz Which is of course the most widely used system that implements the math layout rules from Appendix G of the TeXBook....
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@egreg well I don't have to worry about typing that in ascii though, as I don't have a reverse R
@egreg how about /ARaЯA\ :D just to have some overkill :D
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@DavidCarlisle I guess you wouldn't have liked iTeX (tm)
@DavidCarlisle exactly. So the question is, you're still here? :D
09:17
@Rico That's not specular. AʀAяA would be.
@egreg AЯARA
more palindromic
@topskip more than "ARAЯA"?
@topskip don't mention that word you'll get me upset over missing 111111 again.
@DavidCarlisle you need downvotes?
17 mins ago, by David Carlisle
@Rico too late: its moved on to 111146. No: 222222 is the new target.
09:19
@topskip that is not possible, you can't downvote fast enough because the speed of davids reputation uprising is to high
AR∀ЯA
@DavidCarlisle one bounty can cure you ;)
@tohecz Well, I think the slope of the R moving away from the middle A is nice - but you're right, of course, that's pretty much the same
@DominicMichaelis David should delete his account and try again.
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@egreg couldn't find an ara :)
user image
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@egreg @topskip ^ what about this? :D
09:30
@tohecz The cleanest. ;-)
@tohecz great
@DominicMichaelis this is pretty annoying, looking for #LaTeX on Twitter gives pretty awkward results :)
@topskip @Rico That's an anti spam plugin for comments only: wordpress.org/plugins/akismet
@cgnieder this plugin is already running :)
> \LaTeX=macro:
->\textlatin {\org@LaTeX }.
l.22 \show\LaTeX
what is this?
I mean, where is this defined?
09:39
@Rico I know, since six days ago:
in German Community TeX blog, Jun 1 at 15:25, by Stefan Kottwitz
hab jetzt Akismet aktiviert
@cgnieder :) I'm looking for anything to protect articles right now
09:54
@topskip in whatever class you loaded that redefined the usual macro:-)
@DavidCarlisle I see, thanks :)
(found it: it's from babel)
10:33
Hi @Paulo! How do you like the new logo? :D
@tohecz Hey Tom! :) It will be the default for version 4.0. :)
@PauloCereda lol, really? :D
@tohecz Nope. :)
Unless you make a distinguishable R. :)
@PauloCereda that was the goal, if you saw the preceding discussion
@tohecz LOL
My personal favourite is @egreg's AR∀ЯA. :)
It sounds Russian. <3
10:38
@PauloCereda A-ruya-a
@tohecz Ninja sounds! :)
NB: I'm packing my luggage for a 3-week "business trip", so I might have a bit longer ping
11:22
Personally I don't think this question should be closed. A general answer about the issue should be possible and useful for other people with the same problem:
0
Q: Text in included PDF diagram is not shown, only lines

shinpeiI want to include a PDF in LaTeX with: \begin{figure} \includegraphics[width=\textwidth]{image.pdf} \end{figure} The image.pdf contains graphical elements like boxes or lines and text in these boxes. My problem is: the boxes and lines are included in the final document but the text does not ...

@MartinScharrer I don't think so. Then you need more information. How was the file generated? Which tool was used? And the comment of the OP indicates that the issue was in front of the computer ;-)
@MartinScharrer Could it be a viewer issue? I know the PDF viewer in TeXworks has had a similar problem. (The specific situation I'm aware of is EPS-files from Matlab, converted to PDF by epstopdf.)
11:38
@MarcoDaniel Don't use the minimal class in examples, even if the questioner does.
@egreg another one of my productions that egreg doesn't like!
@DavidCarlisle Best class ever. A bit difficult to use for producing real documents.
@egreg Do we have a question about the drawbacks of minimal.
@MarcoDaniel Yes, we have.
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Q: Why should the minimal class be avoided?

TobiIn a comment to my answer to Drawing a rectangle along the border of a circle, Peter Grill said that he read that the minimal class should not be used for a Minimal Working Example. I wonder why, and which class should I use instead? BTW: Is it preferable to use article or scrartcl, i.e. the sta...

@egreg Thanks. Added the information.
11:59
Is there something like a "gibberish font"? That is, a font which behaves like a normal font metric-wise, but displays something unreadable instead of characters. I like the little boxes shown in the TeXbook on page 65, for instance, but that's macro-based. Do we have a question for this?
@StephanLehmke github.com/christiannaths/Redacted-Font Only TrueType though.
@TorbjørnT. Great, thanks!
I could swear acroread had a feature "display greek text below" once upon a time which i might have (ab)used for this, but it seems to be gone :-(
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12:45
@JosephWright as a fellow chemist, how do you write excited state products of the form (CH3*) or F* in LaTeX? I have been using mhchem for chem typesetting in general and it works fine, but * are interpreted as radicals. When I tried math-superscripted stars, the kerning was really poor (e.g. A* the star looks very far away). Do you know of a clever way / is there a better chemistry package ?
13:16
@JosephWright ooh!
13:31
@ach My chemmacros package treats the superscripted star as a star:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{chemmacros}
\begin{document}
\ch{F^*}
\end{document}
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does it also do regular typesetting like mhchem might do ?
I guess the question is, is it a valid replacement @cgnieder ?
I'll look on ctan I guess :)
Is there a question about why not using [htbp] by default for all figures/tables? I only found the general float positioning thread, which applies as well, but I'm looking for an answer specifically about avoiding this behaviour.
@ach it's part of both TeX Live and MiKTeX. It can fully replace mhchem. You need to be a bit careful: the syntax is very similar to the one from mhchem but differs in details...
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reading the manual now, looks massively more powerful than I need, contemplating if I need it or not ... on the one hand, more consistent typesetting, on the other, do I really need it hmmmm. On the other hand I do like well designed packages :)
@MartinScharrer I think so I'll look (or perhaps I just type it so often it seems like there ought to be:-)
13:37
@ach yes, it provides lots of goodies for chemists :) I plan to make the formula typesetting part a standalone package but that's not yet the case...
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@cgnieder thanks for the tip, looks really good. I probably won't use it as I don't really need anything else. Still, looks nice to use, if I actually needed eg Newman projections I am sure I'd love it !
@MartinScharrer OK so I give up searching there are related ones like this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/6456/… but that isn't the same (and I don't like the answers which all give misusing ! as an example:-)
@DavidCarlisle Same here. I also only found that one. Maybe I will post a question myself so that we have it for future reference
@MartinScharrer posting questions sounds very complicated. I've not tried that yet.
13:53
@DavidCarlisle ;-)
@DavidCarlisle it is! Most of the time when I want to prepare an MWE for a question I find the answer myself. Very frustrating...
14:08
@MartinScharrer: Futurama next week! :)
14:21
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That's enough math for today. :)
14:31
@PauloCereda lol
@cgnieder :)
14:46
<Reed> It is important to note that the primary reason the Roman Empire
       fail is that they had no concept of zero... thus they could not
       test the success or failure of their C programs.
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LOL
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if /notify works
why doesn't /tify work ????
@PauloCereda YEAH!
@PauloCereda It's conventional to omit the brackets for trig functions, and I don't think you have used the correct \mathop spacing for the operators. Also I don't recognise the symbol used on the right, is it in the standard AMS font set?
@DavidCarlisle amsfruit :)
@PauloCereda Ah. That's Ok then. Your paper is accepted.
14:55
@DavidCarlisle <3
I wish paper acceptance were that easy. :)
@PauloCereda perhaps you should use more fruit.
@DavidCarlisle Or ducks. :)
15:13
I need a macro that processes a variable number of arguments, based on precomputed count value, and (in this case) outputs them as a comma separated list...
This is what I've come up with, pastebin.com/ygtwQruR? . Is this a reasonable approach, or is there a more standard 2e way to do this?
15:41
Guys, if you think Nicola's interview is ready for publishing, just ping me. :)
16:00
@PauloCereda Where is it?
In the blog dashboard. :) I think Joseph needs to give you write permission.
@JosephWright: Can you set the permissions to @NicolaTalbot, please? :)
@PauloCereda Thanks :-)
@NicolaTalbot After proofreading, I have a tool to postprocess the interview and generate the final format. :)
It's awful for us to review with the final format. :P
16:30
@JosephWright Thank you, that is awesome. Glad to have helped. I'm surprised no one has caught it before, given how easy it was to trigger.
Man, I love that thing where you type a question title and it gives you similar ones. It has saved me from so many closed questions.
@PauloCereda Did I write anything silly or embarrassing in the interview? :-) Perhaps I should've put more ducks in it.
@NicolaTalbot I think the interview is great, don't worry. :)
I'm eager for an audiobook. :)
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In KOMA-script, is there a high-level way of modifying the running header contents, or does one have to redefine sectionmark etc. manually ?
17:10
@ach there are a number of KOMA-Script tools for modifying header and footer. Depends on what you want to do
@PauloCereda Will be a bit later on: am at my bosses house working on a research proposal
@JosephWright ooh how nice, good luck!
@PauloCereda Is @NicolaTalbot registered on the blog?
@JosephWright I don't know. :( @NicolaTalbot: did you click here? tex.blogoverflow.com/wp-admin
@PauloCereda It sends me to the stackexchange site and asks me to create a new account. Am I supposed to create a new account or should it recognise my TeX.SX account?
17:23
@NicolaTalbot That's odd, I think it should recognize your TeX.sx credentials.
@NicolaTalbot Should pick everything up, but the accounts are somewhat separate: I just had to log in to the blogoverflow domain (OpenID for me)
@NicolaTalbot By the way, we are slowly gaining people for the course. I was worried it might not run, but it looks better now.
@JosephWright That's great :-) I don't have a working laptop any more but I now have TeX on my tablet so I can bring that along.
@JosephWright I think I log onto TeX.SX with my Google ID, but when I tried that on blogoverflow it wanted me to create a new account.
@PauloCereda :-)
@PauloCereda I've logged on :-) I can access the dashboard, but I can't find the interview.
17:44
@NicolaTalbot Should be able to now
@JosephWright Thanks. I've found it :-)
@NicolaTalbot Oh @JosephWright was faster. :)
@PauloCereda Oh no, I have an erroneous apostrophe!
@NicolaTalbot where?!
@PauloCereda The paragraph about the datetime package: "as that was it’s original purpose".
17:55
@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)
what does it meant when something says that pdftex is a different engine for Tex? from TUGboat, Volume 34 (2013), No. 1 , page 49:
"Today, pdfTEX (with the "-TEX extensions included) is the dominant TEX-based engine in practical use"

I thought there was only one program, TeX 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 , so what does not mean "engine"?
I mean, is pdftex different than what Knuth wrote?
why can;t I edit my message more than once? I make many typos all the time.
@PauloCereda You've done a great job of putting it together. :-)
@Nasser see here:
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A: The differences between TeX engines

Joseph WrightTeX engines There are currently five engines (binaries) which can process TeX input, although not all are used to the same extent. Knuth's TeX, as described in The TeXbook. This is of course the definitive TeX, but is only used as the standard engine in modern TeX distributions if you are usin...

@NicolaTalbot aww thanks, I usually get in trouble while doing this, it's a lot of text. :)
The wonderful world of tex, from above Tug report
I bet only 3 people in the world understand the above :)
@cgnieder I see thanks. But I am still little confused. Is pdfTex using a DIFFERENT implementation from what Knuth wrote? i.e. the source code is different? or is it an addition to the source code? When it says: "..and then adds a number.." ? If it a rewrite, then how does one know it did not break the original TeX program 3.14?
18:10
ooh there's a dinosaur!
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@Nasser pdfTeX builds on Knuth's TeX and passes the TRIP test (Knuth's test suite for TeX), so it can be used as a 'drop in' replacement
@JosephWright I see thanks. did not know there is a TRIP test thing. I understand now.
Then I assume all the new Latex engines (Latex3, and all these in the diagram above must pass this TRIP test)
2
Q: Add path in Texlive2012

ahmohI write a package named umtools.sty, since Ubuntu One can only sync folder which is in "~/", so I put *.sty in "~/tlpkg/". Now, how can I use it like \usepackage{umtools} instead of \usepackage{~/tlpkg/umtools}, as the way like \usepackage{} cause warning: "You have requested package `~/tlpkg/umt...

Hey folks, would you like that question?
@Nasser LaTeX is not an engine: it's a format which (currently) works with any TeX engine, although the team did say some time ago e-TeX was a minimum
@jokerdino Yes
@JosephWright Thank you. I'll send it over!
18:16
@Nicola: Ubuntu! Quick let's hide! /ducks
<3
@Joseph: can we get a heart from you too? :)
All yours folks.
@jokerdino Thanks! We will work right on it! :)
Too sweet <3
18:21
!!/eightball Do you know the answer, Psmith? :)
Thank you to whoever cleaned up my comment :P
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: for sure.
@jokerdino Probably @Joseph. :)
@PauloCereda Yup
!!/choose zap comment, have ice cream
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: have ice cream
^^
bot?
that's so cute
niceties!
it even shows cricket scores!
!!/cricket what up happening in England?
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Derbyshire 436/7 &  224/4  v Durham MCCU 366/10 &  229/10 *
- Leeds/Bradford MCCU 265/10 &  116/10  v Lancashire 73/2 &  309/10 *
- Gloucestershire 456/4 * v Glamorgan 448/10
- Hampshire 455/10 &  98/3 * v Kent 321/7
- Middlesex 499/8  v Sussex 228/4 &  222/10 *
- Northamptonshire 8 &  314/10 * v Worcestershire 196/10 &  125/10
- Surrey 269/7 * v Warwickshire 631/9
- Yorkshire 358/4 * v Nottinghamshire 443/10
Oh. Pak lost to WI. Saves me a visit to cricinfo.com
OMG don't tell us you are a cricket fan! :)
@DavidCarlisle: we found someone who actually understands cricket!
Why yes.
18:27
Wow.
that bot is actually too cool. It gave me the whole of county cricket score and Champions Trophy as well.
We always talk about football/soccer here, so @David decided to break the pattern and introduce cricket as the official sport in this chatroom. :)
This chat room gives me good vibes.
@PauloCereda Ooh! Make sure the ducks also duck or they might end up as sitting ducks! :-)
!!/fortune
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Shame on you for thinking a cookie is psychic.
18:33
Is the code available somewhere?
@jokerdino The JS wrapper is: github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot, but I still need to polish my server-side code. I'll probably publish it soon. :)
@PauloCereda I think I ought to have another go at helping to expand Psmith's repertoire.
Actually, the server-side is not required, I just did for supporting more advanced stuff, like:
!!/texdef -t latex itemize
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\itemize:
macro:->\ifnum \@itemdepth >\thr@@ \@toodeep \else \advance \@itemdepth \@ne \edef \@itemitem {labelitem\romannumeral \the \@itemdepth }\expandafter \list \csname \@itemitem \endcsname {\def \makelabel ##1{\hss \llap {##1}}}\fi
@NicolaTalbot Sounds like a plan. :)
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@cgnieder interesting, what might they be ? I have more or less read the section on scrpage2 (as painful as reading scrguide is) - but I want to modify the running header itself (ie \headmark). In particular I want section + chapter for scrbook oneside (default is chapter only)
It almost feels like you folks spend a lot of time in here. Love the site so much?
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18:36
as far as I could tell that would have to be patched by ahnd
@jokerdino some people are here more than others
apparently yeah. It is nice to see a community.
@jokerdino we're living here ;)
Makes me want to LaTex :P
@PauloCereda Okay, I've added a few more entries.
19:00
@ach oneside only has the right mark IIRC, which is set by \chapter
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@cgnieder exactly
I was wondering if there is a high level way to change that
or if I have to \renewcommand a mark
@ach well, you could redefine \sectionmark to set the right mark in oneside mode, too, but that would overwrite the mark set by the chapter.
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I guess I could save the mark
and then add \sectionmark to it ?
sounds like there isn't a high-level solution at least
19:29
@ach you can maybe do something along these liines:
\addtokomafont{chapter}{\savechaptername}
\newcommand*\savechaptername[1]{#1\gdef\chaptertitle{#1}}
\renewcommand*{\sectionmark}[1]{%
  \markright{%
    \MakeMarkcase{%
      \chaptermarkformat\chaptertitle\space
      % this would add the section number:
      % \sectionmarkformat
    #1}}%
}
@NicolaTalbot Thanks! :)
@PauloCereda :-)
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Q: How to put both chapter and section name in the header of the page?

Peter StahlI'm working on a one-sided LaTeX document with document class scrreprt and I'm using scrpage2 to customize headers and footers of the pages. At the moment, the respective chapter name is shown in the upper right corner of each page using the following code in the preamble: \usepackage[autoonesid...

Or did I miss something?
@MarcoDaniel looks good :) I haven't searched the site but only suggested something “von der Leber weg” (whatever that means in English...)
@cgnieder :-)
19:37
really love eclipse....
@Rico you'll probably get an internal error while quitting :)
... which can't be displayed of course, because an internal error happens then
@topskip right :D still better than NetBeans :D
The infinitely recursive internal error. Nice.
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@cgnieder I'll try it as soon as I can. I should probably also post it as a question
@ach have a look at the question @MarcoDaniel posted a few lines earlier first
@ach the answers there should be what you want
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19:58
allright tahnks
Hello
\documentclass{beamer}
\usepackage[danish]{babel}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage{beamerthemesplit}
\usepackage{graphics,epsfig, subfigure}
\usepackage{url}



\definecolor{kugreen}{RGB}{50,93,61}
\definecolor{kugreenlys}{RGB}{132,158,139}
\definecolor{kugreenlyslys}{RGB}{173,190,177}
\definecolor{kugreenlyslyslys}{RGB}{214,223,216}
\setbeamercovered{transparent}
\mode<presentation>


  \usetheme{PaloAlto}
  \usecolortheme[named=kugreen]{structure}
  \useinnertheme{circles}
  \usefonttheme[onlymath]{serif}
This is my LaTeX code
And the following is console output:
Package hyperref Message: Stopped early.

)

Package hyperref Message: Driver (autodetected): hpdftex.

(C:\TeX\tex\latex\hyperref\hpdftex.def
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\oberdiek\rerunfilecheck.sty))
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\beamer\base\beamerbaserequires.sty
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\beamer\base\beamerbasecompatibility.sty)
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\beamer\base\beamerbasefont.sty
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\amsfonts\amssymb.sty (C:\TeX\tex\latex\amsfonts\amsfonts.sty)
)) (C:\TeX\tex\latex\beamer\base\beamerbasetranslator.sty
(C:\TeX\tex\latex\beamer\base\translator\translator.sty
Could someone check what's wrong with it please?
umm
Thanks a lot for your attention
@Gigili For something that complicated you should try and make a MWE and ask a question
20:14
do people think it will be strange to make a web site using Latex book, i.e. the front page will be the actual table of contents, i.e. all are links to other web pages which are sections and subsections from there and so on? You think it will look strange to have web site be table of contents?
Help ;-) How can I comment a line in dtx-files? The lines are part of the documentation and not the code.
20:45
@MarcoDaniel ^^A usually if I recall correctly
@MarcoDaniel wow I was right, still remember after all these years....
@tohecz Bad game.
@egreg the west indies v Pakistan game?
@DavidCarlisle Czech Republic v. Italy. Curiously enough the players didn't carry sticks.
@egreg: Bad game, thankfully I had sfrappole. :(
Actually, that should be a smiley. :)
so who won?
20:56
@PauloCereda Typical from your mom's region.
@DavidCarlisle A draw, 0:0
@egreg Is it? I know nothing about it. :)
@PauloCereda That's what I gather from the net.
@egreg ah cool! :)
@PauloCereda We also do them, but under the name "crostoli" or "galani".
@egreg ah! :)
21:01
@DavidCarlisle You are my hero.
@PauloCereda Usually they are made during Carnival.
@egreg Yay! :)
egreg: Today I heard that in Italy the pizza is eaten cold. Is this true?
@MarcoDaniel Surely not.
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@MarcoDaniel lies and slander
21:15
@egreg Ok. I got fear. Italy is on my travel list.
@MarcoDaniel Heaven forbid.
@PauloCereda :-)
@ach Indeed.
@egreg: speaking of dates, today is the Feast of the Sacred Heart. :)
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@MarcoDaniel though the question of where the best pizza is made / where the true pizza is made remains. The Romans think they do, but so do the Neapolitans ... what does @egreg think ?
@ach You can eat good pizza everywhere in Italy. I surely prefer Naples' original pizza: I had some I still remember. Pizza must be baked in an oven with a live wood fire and eaten as soon as possible.
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21:20
@egreg I on the other hand am partial to the Pizza made in Rome
@ach In Rome it's usually softer (more yeast).
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@egreg I didn't find them that soft. Al taglio is a different story of course
@ach This is, more or less, the correct shape of a pizza according to Naples traditions
@egreg OK. Now I am hungry.
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time for some pizza
21:32
@ach Wood fire oven?
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@egreg in reference to what ?
@ach For the pizza, of course.
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@egreg I wish, no I meant that @MarcoDaniel should get some pizza if he's hungry
I have already eaten tonight :)
@ach Maybe also in Hamburg one can find good pizza.
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Not sure
I never found a good place there
21:48
Pizza? I have come to the right time. :)
@ach In my opinion, the best pizza is the one you like the most. I don’t care who invented it or who thinks he created the best pizza, if I like it I like it.
22:09
The last sentence of the great answer by Frank sounds really optimistic. tex.stackexchange.com/a/118015/5239
@DavidCarlisle A curious side effect of the definition of \mbox is that \mbox\bgroup something\egroup works. ;-)
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Do Frank's answers always have this epic scope ?
@egreg yes one of the noticeable things that broke between 2.09 and 2e was some ises like that with \parbox where the extra 2e optional argument processing meant it no longer worked, it seemed like an entire community had never noticed minipage and was using \parbox\bgroup in begin code \nd \egrpup in teh end code:(
@ach yes
i was just going to say Frank's updated his template epic
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the other memorable answer is on the float algorithm
Duplicate:
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Q: Why does indentation immediately after a section heading not work?

Lover of StructureWhen I start a section and attempt to indent the first paragraph with \indent, the command has no effect: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} % Section 0 \indent Paragraph 1. % indented \noindent Paragraph 2. \section{Section 1} \indent Paragraph 1. % not indented ...

22:20
@MarcoDaniel I think his plan is I stop wasting time chatting to you lot and get back to work on LDB/template integration:-)
@DavidCarlisle Sounds good
@DavidCarlisle Once you've done xor ;-)
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Is there a history of LateX development, i.e how it went from v1->2->2e etc. anywhere ? Would be an interesting read
@ach Ah, the infamously weird version numbering
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@JosephWright well that too
also intersting
how different authors took on the lead
I mean as far as I know Leslie lamport no longer has much to do with it ?
LaTeX trivia if you will :)
@ach No, he handed over to Frank et al. quite some time ago now
@ach Short version: LaTeX2.09 by Lamport, LaTeX2e by the team (Frank et al.)
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22:37
@JosephWright et. al. = you, David ...?
@ach Leslie handed over LaTeX2.09 to Frank and Rainer when they made NFSS-LaTeX sometime around 1989 or so, he had some general design input into 2e, and updated his book but took no part in the coding of that.
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Rainer?
@ach you can look at the names in legal.txt but basically 2e was Frank, Rainer, Chris, Johannes, me and Alan,
23:06
@DavidCarlisle Where did you find \atest?
@MarcoDaniel in the cupboard under the stairs
@DavidCarlisle In the old house of Harry Potter ;-)
@MarcoDaniel It's hard to guess but I think it's supposed to say yes if both cells have value A and say no otherwise.
@DavidCarlisle But I think your marble works ;-)
@MarcoDaniel But I've been learning from the master, @egreg, the art of posting pictures to steal ticks from people.
23:11
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle Do you call that a picture? This one is:
@egreg I'm still learning, oh master.
@DavidCarlisle Don't upload PDF files. Only PNG.
@egreg that I do already
@DavidCarlisle The bigger the better.
I should stop advising how to steal green ticks. ;-)

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