TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-01-15 (page 2 of 2)

Friends, let me ask a LaTeX question, please: How do I apply some code selectively? More concretely, I have some patchcmd for marginpar, but, I'd like this to affect only those appearing in some of the files I include, is this possible? Is this worthy enough for the main site?

David Carlisle

@kan {\let\marginpar\mymarginpar \include{myfile}}

Paulo Cereda

!!/define lshmsfoaiddmb

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, I don't know this acronym.

!!/define lshmsfoaidmb

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@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: LSHMSFOAIDMB: Laughing So Hard My Sombrero Falls Off and I Drop My Burrito

kan

6:20 PM

@DavidCarlisle SWEET! <3

JLDiaz

Any thoughs about tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93944/…? I know it is a tough question and the answer probably will not earn many votes, because the subject looks rather obscure, but I promise a bounty :-)

tohecz

!!/define iptit

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, I don't know this acronym.

kan

@David But, I am lost again: I am doing a patchcmd (of etoolbox).

tohecz

@PauloCereda :(

@Paulo The talk went well, now I'm off to diner ;)

user19161

6:27 PM

@PauloCereda I have installed F18, took me twice to get it correct this time.

Nicola Talbot

6:40 PM

I've told my laptop that if it doesn't start behaving I'll buy a new one. I think it suspects that I may be bluffing.

Timebandit

thanks and signature isn't really wanted in questions, is it?

kan

@Timebandit Yup. :)

Timebandit

@NicolaTalbot try using your smartphone to make it jealous ;)

so should i edit this post tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93948/…

Nicola Talbot

@Timebandit My phone's not very smart ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne How is it going so far? :)

Timebandit

6:42 PM

@NicolaTalbot how about watching tv? reading a book? everything to show its not the only thing in the world ;)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Yay! :)

Nicola Talbot

@Timebandit :-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I try threating my cats too, but they are too smart.

:)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda :-)

Timebandit

@PauloCereda a friend of mine told me to scare cats with water ;)

Paulo Cereda

6:44 PM

@Timebandit That doesn't work for all cats. :)

kan

@Paulo Have you looked at SageTeX? :)

Paulo Cereda

@kan I've heard of it, but nothing serious. :)

Timebandit

@PauloCereda Do you own watercats?! I don't know any cat that isn't scared of water :D

Paulo Cereda

@Timebandit My two cats aren't afraid of water. :) Ciça loves going out in the backyard when it's raining, while Fubá loves taking a shower.

kan

I think it is worth looking at especially from development POV. And, then, the latex() command of sage also lack the glamour (there are some discrepancies to fix).

I have no foo to look at where the latex()'s source code is!

Timebandit

6:46 PM

@PauloCereda Sounds like you've got some alien cats ;) but 'Foobar' is a nice name for a cat :D

Paulo Cereda

@Timebandit It's a Portuguese word, it means corn meal. :)

kan

@Timebandit I thought Fubá was more like Cuba...

Paulo Cereda

@kan The pronounciation is almost identical as foobar, just don't say the r. :)

Timebandit

@kan We should start a Stackexchange for petname just to be clear what it really means...

kan

@PauloCereda oh!

@Timebandit powers that be will close that too localised. ;(

Timebandit

6:51 PM

@kan too bad =/

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I've received the preliminary illustrations for the duck book. That's the cutest sloth I've ever seen :-)

kan

Hello @egreg. Now, we have a linear optimisation course.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot awwww how nice!

And the duck and the hat?

kan

I remember you told sth about your being familiar with Gaussian elimination and its relationship with such a course, IIRC.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Also very cute :-)

Paulo Cereda

6:54 PM

@NicolaTalbot Yay! :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I think I set my friend a bit of a challenge with the cabybara as they're not the most picturesque of animals, but that looks cute as well :-)

Oh, and you should see the arara :-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot ah indeed. :)

@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)

Timebandit

any suggestions, which class/template i should use for my bachelor thesis?

Paulo Cereda

@Timebandit KOMA.

Timebandit

@PauloCereda my current thoughts go to scrarticle

Nicola Talbot

6:59 PM

@Timebandit How big is your thesis expected to be? If it's large, I'd go with scrbook or scrreprt instead.

Timebandit

@NicolaTalbot about 20 to 40 pages

Nicola Talbot

@Timebandit That seems a bit big for an article-like class, but maybe others might disagree.

Timebandit

@NicolaTalbot mh i could use the report as well,

but speaking of my thesis i need a lot space for some graphs, is there any possability to add some "foldpages"?

Nicola Talbot

@Timebandit It might be an idea to check with your tutor/supervisor to see if that's acceptable. (Every institute/school seems to have a different idea about such things.)

Timebandit

Not sure how to describe it in English but some of the graphs will be pretty big so it would be greate to create pages which can be folded to fit the normal format

@NicolaTalbot since most of them are using Office I'm pretty sure it does not matter =) i though of the book class to be able to use chapters

Nicola Talbot

7:08 PM

@Timebandit I think you can change the page size mid-document using the geometry package, but I haven't tried it.

@Timebandit Yeah, I'd go with scrbook or scrreprt

Alan Munn

@NicolaTalbot It works just fine. It forces a new page, but that's not usually a problem.

Timebandit

@NicolaTalbot I've seen some nice templates at latextemplates.com but they are all english and im not really intending to translate them

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit Yes

Nicola Talbot

7:27 PM

@AlanMunn That's probably a good thing, and is what's needed for a 'foldpage'.

kan

7:42 PM

Can I install fedora alongside my ubuntu @Paulo? :-)

Timebandit

@kan Dualbool ftw?

Paulo Cereda

@kan I guess so. :) If you want to try Fedora, you could go with the LiveCD first or use a virtualization software, like VirtualBox. :)

kan

@Timebandit Yeah, I am going to have to learn how to do that.

May be Virtual box is easy to set up?

David Carlisle

@kan you may find it easier instead of defining a new command and useing \let just patch it each time {\patchcmd\marginpar{....}\include{..}}

Timebandit

@kan ultraeasy ;) download -> install -> mount Image -> install -> lets go =)

kan

7:45 PM

(I believe Virtual box runs inside your OS, right?)

Paulo Cereda

@kan Yes. :)

Timebandit

jep

kan

@DavidCarlisle I am using Patchcmd.

Ok, let me setup Virtual box.

David Carlisle

@kan yes that's what you said, if youre using that it may be easier to patch each time rather than my original `let suggetsion

@kan why do you want two linuxes on the same box?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Testing, sheepdip, etc. come to mind

kan

7:46 PM

@DavidCarlisle Just for curisoities sake.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Maybe he wants two emacs instances.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright well yes we have lots of different virtual machines with all kinds of operating systems but it's a commercial organisation with people doing cross platform testing as their main activity.

leo

hello!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda only two?

leo

why there is no stared messages?

David Carlisle

7:49 PM

@leo there are 3321 starred messages

2

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Of course, we could trigger millions of vim's if you wanted. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda was that you just made my previous comment false?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Quick you can edit it!

And yes, I did it. :P

David Carlisle

a bit of future-proofing

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You are my hero.

<3

leo

7:51 PM

@DavidCarlisle the starred messages just appear after you say that! I'm scared!

!!/answer what about other bots?

Paulo Cereda

@leo Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.

tohecz

8:07 PM

Hi again!

leo

hi

Timebandit

hi

user19161

@PauloCereda Good. It turns out that the office suite is included, so that's why the ISO is so big.

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne Yay!

user19161

@PauloCereda Have you installed it?

Paulo Cereda

8:19 PM

@JasonBourne Still downloading. :(

user19161

@PauloCereda Oh, the live medium?

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne no, the badass DVD. :)

user19161

@PauloCereda Ah, no wonder. I usually download the live medium which is smaller. =)

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne :)

leo

!!/define :-)

Paulo Cereda

8:25 PM

@leo Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, I don't know this acronym.

leo

I'm curious

Timebandit

anybody with experience in chemical equations?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle is a Lego expert.

Maybe Joseph and Clemens can help you.

@DavidCarlisle: you could be a moderator here: bricks.stackexchange.com

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda The OP who sent in that bug report about my Java app didn't agree with the response I sent :-( bug report

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit What about chemical equations?

Timebandit

8:38 PM

@JosephWright I need something like this:

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I can't understand the claims. :(

kan

@Paulo I am stuck with the very download of Fedora 18.

Timebandit

the horizontal part isn't a problem but i don't know how to manage the vertical part

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright exploding ones. :)

@kan Open you heart. :)

Timebandit

@kan try Linux Mint Fedora is crap ;)

kan

8:39 PM

@Timebandit @Paulo is sending hedge hogs your way...

Paulo Cereda

@kan No need, I'm already at his computer.

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit Well I'd probably use ChemDraw, but I guess you are looking for a LaTeX-based solution. Equations using mchem with chemfig for the arrow?

kan

@PauloCereda awwwww <3 I know the reference.

Paulo Cereda

@kan <3 :)

Timebandit

@kan why hedge hogs? :D

@JosephWright i should have mentioned that earlier, I'm using mhchem

kan

8:44 PM

@Timebandit Simply. :-)

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit I guessed that

Paulo Cereda

@kan: download the liveCD version. :)

kan

@Paulo I am stuck at the step called image burning step...

Timebandit

@JosephWright looking through the documentation I can't find up- and down arrows

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit As I said, for the vertical arrow the obvious approach is to use something TikZ-based, so either chemfig or simply a tikzpicture with appropriate set up

Paulo Cereda

8:45 PM

@kan If I recall correctly, you don't need to burn an image. Do you have VirtualBox installed?

kan

@PauloCereda No, not yrt.

Joseph Wright

chemfig does something like \arrow{->}[90] (section 'Arrows optional arguments')

Paulo Cereda

@kan Would you like to try Fedora live on your machine or install it in a virtual machine?

If you want the first option, you'll need to burn the image.

Timebandit

@JosephWright Mh, I don't have any experience using Tikz

kan

@PauloCereda I am OK, either ways,.

bloodworks

8:46 PM

@Timebandit chemifg has something called reaction schemes. i suppose this could be done with it otherwise have a look to clemen's chemmacros

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Hm?

tohecz

@PauloCereda sorry, bad comment ;)

Paulo Cereda

@kan If you opt for the first, you will need to use a program like Brasero, insert a blank media, select the ISO image you downloaded and burn it.

tohecz

I drank a bit of wine. Btw, don't you know who invented conference talks after dinner?

Paulo Cereda

If you opt for the second option, add an image and reference the ISO you've just downloaded. Then start a new virtual machine, select the image and you are good to go.

@tohecz Some guy that was bored with conferences. :)

Timebandit

8:51 PM

@bloodworks maybe I give some boxes a try

egreg

@DavidCarlisle What's "visa versa"? When someone asks for a visa and the authorities refuse? :P

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tohecz

@PauloCereda we finished with a guy who's redoing Eshers drawing in different geometry settings, very nice! Now I go :) bye

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz See ya Tom! :)

David Carlisle

@egreg well you can edit that and at the same time you could remind me of tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93961/…

Timebandit

ok i nearly got it, but now there is a gap between the straight E and the following +, how can i arrange something directly under some characters?

egreg

8:58 PM

@DavidCarlisle Maybe something like shelf\/ful when TeX adds a discretionary and then reconstructs the ligature?

David Carlisle

@egreg that's what I thought (I'm sure the tex2 book gave that as an example and the tex3 book changed it because it didn't work) perhaps I messed up my examplle will try again

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Maybe looking for Kastrup in comp.tex.tex?

David Carlisle

@egreg :-) might have guessed

Timebandit

crappy but it works :D

\ce{S + E \hspace{-.26cm}\rotatebox{270}{\; \ce{+ P <=> S + EP}} <=> ES <=> E + P}

egreg

@DavidCarlisle But you didn't study Latin: "vice versa". ;-)

David Carlisle

9:07 PM

@egreg Actually I did do latin for 3 years but my typing in latin is even worse than my typing in english (and I can't remember any latin anyway:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle lorem ipsum. :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle "Versa = changed", "vice = place": changed of place.

kan

@DavidCarlisle But, why do type that way? :) (Thinking about people debugging, well, fixing your typos gives me nightmares. :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: if there's any consolation, my Latin comes from mass stuff. :)

David Carlisle

@kan habit I guess, I only see the typos when I read not when I write (sometimes when I see things come back on an email list I can't believe that I wrote it that badly:-)

kan

9:11 PM

@DavidCarlisle I see. But, let me also tell you that you're very concise. :)

You must consider writing a Linear Algebra book (there are no concise books).

David Carlisle

@kan it reduces the probability of typos

egreg

@PauloCereda dolor sit amet. Amen. In medio stat virtus.

@PauloCereda And the very famous: I VITELLI DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Hoc est enim corpus meum. :P

@egreg ooh! :)

@egreg: Can I ask a Latin question, by the way? :)

David Carlisle

@egreg oh **@@, I see what you mean: I got it wrong a 2nd time, (I knew how to spell it the first time, just not how to control fingers on keyboard:(

Joseph Wright

@egreg Could I have a clue :-)

egreg

9:22 PM

@PauloCereda It's a joke; the sentence can be interpreted in Italian (translation: "Romans' calves are fine"). But "I" is the imperative of "ire" (to go), "Vitelli" is the vocative of "Vitellius" (a person's name), "dei" is the genitive of "deus" (god), "sono" is the ablative of "sonum" (sound) and "belli" is the genitive of "bellum" (war): Go, Vitellius, at the Roman god's sound of war.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

@egreg: out of curiosity, I was wondering if all ae occurrences should be typeset as \ae, e.g, Ordinarium Missae -> Ordinarium Missæ

egreg

@PauloCereda The æ ligature is not even medieval, but later. Never use it in Latin and don't trust anybody who tells you to use it.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Sounds about right

@egreg Probably tricky to carve in stone :-)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda always use ae in latin, make it look authentically old.

kan

!!/eightball Please tell me if @Paulo should trust @David...

Paulo Cereda

9:35 PM

@kan Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.

kan

Lazy bot!

egreg

The Latin diphtong "ae" was pronounced just like the "i" in "fine". This was preserved in the German pronunciation of Latin: they had the "Kaiser" that's simply from "Caesar". In late Latin it became an "e" (almost like in "pen", but longer).

kan

!!/eightball Please tell me if @Paulo should trust @David...

Paulo Cereda

@kan Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes. Beware, Alan might stab you.

David Carlisle

Ah my memory was backwards \/ is the one that works after the earlier suggestion just to use {}

In fact, the latter idea---to
insert an ^{italic correction}---is preferable because \TeX\ will ^^|\/|
reinsert the ff ligature by itself after ^{hyphenating} |shelf{}ful|. \
(Appendix~H points out that ligatures are put into a hyphenated word that
contains no ``^{explicit kerns},'' and an italic correction is an
explicit kern.) \ But the italic correction may be too much (especially in an
italic font); |shelf{|^|\kern||0pt}ful| is often best.

Joseph Wright

9:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle Particularly in LuaTeX, which ignores {} here

Then again, it's possible to use a callback to do this automatically in LuaTeX

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I was tricked too.

David Carlisle

@egreg but at least your Latin's better than mine

Joseph Wright

10:03 PM

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Q: About Java security issues

Having heard about Java security issues I deactivated javascript in my firefox. Perhaps it is not javascript which is concerned, and I over-reacted. Anyhow, currently I have this permanent red banner TeX - LaTeX - Stack Exchange works best with JavaScript enabled for which no closing button is av...

@PauloCereda You are our Java expert :-)

So who's best on AJAX, etc.?

Timebandit

10:16 PM

is there any Tex merchandise? Like T-Shirts? :D

Silex

@JosephWright Answered it :)

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit zazzle.co.uk/i_love_latex_mug-168419043415583261, perhaps

Also zazzle.co.uk/i_love_latex_tshirt-235713192626830972

Paulo Cereda

10:33 PM

@egreg Ah thanks for the hint. :)

user19161

@paulo Are you familiar with using alacarte in GNOME?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I'll take a look. :)

@JasonBourne Alacarte? Wow, I used long it time ago.

@JosephWright: oops, apparently you guys took care of it. :) Java is different of JavaScript.

user19161

@PauloCereda Well, the thing is, I set some executable to launch with some flag in alacarte, then I add it as a launcher, but the executable doesn't seem to use the flag, even after restarting!

user19161

@PauloCereda Ah, I had to read Wiki many times to get the difference between the two!

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne Oh I need to take a look. It's really been a while.

@JasonBourne :)

user19161

10:37 PM

@PauloCereda Hmm, never mind.

user19161

@PauloCereda different from, not different of

Paulo Cereda

@JasonBourne sorry, typo. :P

user19161

@PauloCereda I still remember the wrong preposition was used with bikini. =)

percusse

Wow, just in time...

David Carlisle

@percusse ?

percusse

10:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle I feel an urge to get to the chat whenever bikinis are mentioned.

2

I'm doomed with this gift

Josh Gitlin

Hey everyone. As a reminder, chat flags are to be used for serious moderation issues, not as a joke... Thanks!

percusse

@JoshGitlin Hi there. Can you elaborate more about the issue? Usually we don't have any such problems here. What's flagged?

Josh Gitlin

11 mins ago, by percusse

@DavidCarlisle I feel an urge to get to the chat whenever bikinis are mentioned.

That was flagged

I can't imagine anyone was seriously offended by that :-) It's clearly a joke and is in no way obscene

So I assume someone was just playing around

percusse

@JoshGitlin ??? Well.... I think I agree :) Hmm. I have to be more careful then.

Thanks though for the fast response.

Josh Gitlin

@percusse I wouldn't say you have to be more careful :-) And I'm not upset, to make myself clear. It's just that chat flags are shown to EVERY mod who is currently online across ALL of chat.stackexchange.com, as well as 10k users. So it can be... annoying :-)

mafp

11:03 PM

@JoshGitlin I flagged it, and I did not play around.

Josh Gitlin

(I'm not annoyed, just reminding people that chat flags have a good use, that's all :-)

percusse

And whoever I've offended, my sincere apologies...

Ah @mafp see the previous comment.

Josh Gitlin

@mafp OK, you seriously think that message is offensive?

I believe it was clearly meant as a joke

mafp

@JoshGitlin Seriously, yes. I know it was a joke, and I remember the background story, but consider a 14 year old girl from Syria lurking around this site for the first time, and seeing this.

percusse

@mafp Wait? Are you taking your turn on the joke ? What's bad about talking about bikinis for 14 year old girls? I'm not talking to 14 year old girls about bikinis.

There is a big difference.

Josh Gitlin

11:11 PM

@mafp OK... well, I don't agree that it was offensive, even in the case you specified... They will find a lot worse content on the internet than the above comment

But, that's just my opinion. I apologize for implying that you didn't flag it seriously

mafp

@percusse I did not want to offend you, I just think your message was inappropriate. See, this is the chat for tx.sx, right? As such, it should be open and inviting for all community members. And I know for a fact that some people feel annoyed by the attitude fo your message.

@JoshGitlin Fine. And I am totally fine if someone disagrees with my flagging, I just feel it was necessary.

percusse

@mafp I just don't see how that can be possible. And if there are such people, that means I've done it before. So it's even worse for me. Can you remind me whatelse I've done?

mafp

@percusse What else? I don't know, we are still speaking about this one message of you, that I flagged, right?

@percusse And of course, feel free to disagree with me :-)

percusse

@mafp Let me clarify: You said " And I know for a fact that some people feel annoyed by the attitude fo your message.". So that means we are talking about other occurences otherwise they have reached to this conclusion ahead of time.

Speravir

@egreg You should delete your comment and write a new one only with the pdfpages part. The OP writes, she (originally signed as “Drew”) does use epstopdf tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93991/…

mafp

11:20 PM

@percusse No, that is not what I meant. I meant that I have seen people, mostly women, react harshly on similar messages from other users, in other communities.

egreg

@Speravir Yeah, really. Thanks.

Speravir

@egreg No problem.

Josh Gitlin

Well, this isn't my chat room, so I can't speak to if you guys need to keep it strictly on topic or not... But I think from what I see, @percusse didn't mean any harm and clarified that it was just a playful joke, and @mafp you believe some people might find the message offensive but you understand @percusse meant no harm... and anyone seeing that message can see this discussion... so I believe the situation is resolved, unless you guys need further help from me?

Paulo Cereda

!!/eightball Should I be banned from chat?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: how about reading source2e?

percusse

@mafp I really don't get the point at all. If it's about making sexist (not erotic or pornographic but sexist in the sense that talking about women in a insulting manner) comment I might understand it. But I have absolutely no idea about the relevance.

Paulo Cereda

11:25 PM

!!/eightball Should I be banned from chat?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean with David, he is my best buddy.

^^ @DavidCarlisle

percusse

I can't respect everyone at that level. Some flexibility is indispensable in any communication and you can also complain to me directly and I can clarify before you actually alert many people.

mafp

@JoshGitlin Yeah, I think we are fine. Thank you for your moderation.

Paulo Cereda

@JoshGitlin Thanks, sir. We can handle from now on. :) By the way, feel free to visit us more often, we have a nice and friendly chatroom and community. :)

Josh Gitlin

Sure thing! Take care guys.

Paulo Cereda

!!/answer weather in Padova, Italy.

Hey, where's my bot?

mafp

11:35 PM

@percusse OK, first: I was not aware that so many people are alerted by a flag, I assumed we have a "local" moderator, that looks at it, makes her decision, and that is it. I did not want to indict you as the Bad Predator of Tex Chat, or something like that :-)

Paulo Cereda

!!/help

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good night! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!

Phew, you were not dead, Psmith! <3

percusse

@mafp Why don't you just state your opinion openly so I can have the chance to see the problem instead of background administration?

mafp

@percusse Second: Taken out of context (the original incident was two weeks ago?), can you really not see that your comment might be seen as sexist? Note that at that point it does not really matter, how you meant it, but how other people, and be imaginative here, read it.

Paulo Cereda

!!/weather in São Paulo, Brazil.

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command weather does not exist.

Oh my, pwned by my own bot.

!!/answer weather in São Paulo, Brazil.

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 24 °C (wind chill: 25 °C) :: conditions | cloudy :: relative humidity | 74% (dew point: 19 °C) :: wind speed | 2 m/s :: (2 hours 39 minutes ago)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda perhaps I should flag that

percusse

11:40 PM

@mafp Contrary to the common belief, I'm not responsible for others imagination. I can imagine bananas out of any sentence. Would that be other person's fault?

David Carlisle

Ooh Frank's worked out how to ask questions, I must ask him how one day

Josh Gitlin

@DavidCarlisle go ahead and flag away. I'm ready for you!!! ;-)

mafp

@percusse And finally, it is easy to demand flexibility on the net, but I have seen that before (not from you, not here) that buddies joke around like that, and without even recognizing it, annihilating a sizable portion of their community.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle No thanks. :)

@JoshGitlin It's my bot's fault, not mine. <3

!!/choose star message, flag message, ban Paulo from chat

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: star message

David Carlisle

!!/eightball should I be scared of Josh ?

Paulo Cereda

11:45 PM

@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: most likely.

David Carlisle

oops

mafp

@percusse No need to be snide. I acknowledge that you disagree with me. Maybe at that point my imagination was bigger than yours. Does it mean than mine is too large, or that yours is too small?!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle He has a diamond! :)

percusse

@mafp I think it was Linus Torvalds saying I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended. Even offence needs a reason. Here I don't see any. We had buttnaked man for a LaTeX3 jokes we had Oktober fest waitress pictures for similar jokes etc. It's us who regulate what is bad and what's not. And I refuse to set the standard at that artificial hygenic level.

Because it's the intention that counts. If I ever see anyone posting a bikini picture and saying ooh check this beauty I will definitely flag it because that's not the place and the medium.

But making stupid jokes can't be offensive by definition.

mafp

@percusse Ah, Linus. I think he is an extraordinarily bad example how to set the tone within a community.

Josh Gitlin

11:50 PM

Well I was about to go get dinner. We're all good here before I go, right? :-)

mafp

@percusse "It's us who regulate what is bad and what's not." So, I flagged your comment.

Josh Gitlin

@PauloCereda your bot is very smart ;-)

percusse

@mafp us is the keyword here. Not you