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10:07 PM
@FrankMittelbach replied:-)
 
@AlanMunn just wanted to check if psmith knows anything about a real sport
 
@bloodworks Apparently Psmith knows only about cricket and no other sport. Do you fence yourself, or was the request to Psmith for my benefit?
 
@AlanMunn Is there a fencing RSS?
 
@AlanMunn foil and sabre
 
@bloodworks Oh wow. That's cool. I'm an épéeist myself.
 
10:22 PM
@AlanMunn great where? which training regime?
 
@PauloCereda fie.ch/Competitions/ResultsRSS.aspx?lng=en No idea what it actually outputs though. Right now it's showing nothing.
 
@AlanMunn Pardon my <insert language detection here>, a what? :)
 
@bloodworks I did most of my competitive fencing in Canada (Toronto) many years ago. Now I've started competing again as a veteran (50+), mainly just for fun, unless I start getting some results that make it seem worth while training more seriously. We don't have a proper fencing master at the university where I teach, so all the coaching is done on a volunteer basis by former or semi-active fencers. But the students are really enthusiastic, so for me, it's quite fun.
 
@AlanMunn yeah i can understand that.. i', still listed active although i never found the time to become really good... though we have a few good masters in town
 
@PauloCereda There are three weapons in fencing: foil, épée and sabre. I don't know what their names are in Portuguese. Foil and épée use the point and sabre uses the blade (and the point). Foil and sabre have restricted targets and rules constraining whose touch counts; épée has the whole body as the target and first to touch gets the point (or a double if withing 250 ms of each other.
 
10:28 PM
the sad thing is, the town where i plan to settle, has no sabre group
 
@bloodworks There's a certain point at which you need to make decisions about life. :) I was Canadian junior champion but then decided that I should focus on university instead of fencing. You can't really make a career out of it unless you want to be a coach.
 
@AlanMunn epee is also known as the old-man's weapon ;-)
 
!!/fencing
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command fencing does not exist.
LOL
!!/fencing
 
@AlanMunn jep somtimes one must make a decision.
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last fencing results:

- Oh dear, nothing happened so far.

Our fencing expert Alan might explain these results later on.
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10:31 PM
lol
thumbs up!
 
@PauloCereda Florete, espada e sabre. In Italian fioretto, spada e sciabola.
 
@bloodworks That's too bad. That's definitely a problem, and you do need a certain critical mass of people to get a reasonable practice. Luckily there's no shortage of people who like to fence épée.
 
@egreg ooooooooooooh! :) Now I get it!
 
@PauloCereda Something Italians are good at, it seems.
 
@egreg Grazie.
 
10:32 PM
@egreg :)
 
@egreg Understatement. Although now your coach has fled to Russia along with Gérard.
 
@PauloCereda Especially in women foil. At London 2012 gold, silver and bronze.
 
The only fencing I've done so far was in the Wii. :)
 
@AlanMunn yes definitely ... in the club i used to fence until lately we had a bunch of foil fencer, but all with job ... so their appearance was more occasional.
 
@egreg Oh beware of Italian women, it seems. :P
!!/help fencing
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: According to my book, fencing displays fencing news, our second favourite sport!
 
10:34 PM
@PauloCereda Psmith is a good boy
 
@bloodworks He's evil. :)
!!/eightball Do you really like fencing?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: you may rely on it.
Oh.
 
lol
 
@PauloCereda the bbc thinks there is some fencing news:-)
 
@AlanMunn did i metion that i grew up 10 min away form allstar?
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh this is gold! @AlanMunn: should I replace the feed? :)
 
10:36 PM
@PauloCereda actually not: it's all olympics, nothing since then:(
 
@PauloCereda Not to forget gold in team foil, both men and women, a silver medal in men's sabre and only bronze in men's team sabre.
 
@bloodworks Are they located in Ulm? Or is that Uhlmann?
 
@egreg Wow!
 
@egreg we have to let the Italians win at something: they are rubbish at cricket
 
@AlanMunn that's uhlmann indeed, i live (or did live) between tübingen and reutligen where allstar has its headquater
 
leo
10:38 PM
Hello
 
!!/eightball is fencing an exciting sport?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: cannot predict now.
@leo Hi. :)
Let's try again:
!!/eightball is fencing an exciting sport?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: concentrate and ask again.
 
@DavidCarlisle In the history of the Olympic games, Italy earned 48 gold medals, 40 silver and 33 bronze (in fencing, I mean). The highest ranked nation. UK has 1 gold, 8 silver and no bronze.
 
@leo szia
 
!!/eightball is fencing an exciting sport?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is decidedly so.
ooh
 
@egreg i just say aldo nadi
 
10:40 PM
@PauloCereda The answer should be "That depends". If you don't know what's going on, maybe not.
 
@AlanMunn I'd go ballistic and shout "STAB HIM, STAB HIM" all the time. :)
 
he was the most important Italian foil fencer (in olympic history)
 
@bloodworks His brother Nedo Nadi was better. Six gold medals at the Olympics
 
!!/eightball o most powerful oracle, we beesech thee: is fencing an exciting sport?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
!!/say
Psmith, the TeX bot: Congratulations for becoming Legendary! Sometimes, we face a Monstruous Working Example.
 
leo
:-)
 
10:42 PM
@bloodworks That's debatable. Valentina Vezzali has won way more championships.
 
leo
lol
 
Valentino Rossi is a fencing player too.
Oh wait.
 
@egreg higher medal count, but what i read aldo was the better fencer.
the more sophisticated.
 
@bloodworks Maybe.
 
Of course it's always complicated to compare athletes of different eras.
 
10:43 PM
!!/answer Are you online?
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: 1 | adjective | on a regular route of a railroad or bus or airline system :: 2 | adjective | connected to a computer network or accessible by computer :: 3 | adjective | being in progress now
@AlanMunn: ooh the épée (gotta love words with a lot of accents) seems classy. :)
 
@PauloCereda Psmith needs a serious lesson in pragmatics.
 
@bloodworks And Edoardo Mangiarotti won his first medal at Berlin 1936 and his last at Rome 1960.
 
@AlanMunn signed ... even a single match often says nothing about who is "better"
 
@percusse and I will create another category for fencing: club. :)
 
10:45 PM
!!/answer What is the HTML code of brown?
 
@AlanMunn Aldo and Nedo Nadi were brothers.
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
!!/eightball Are you malfunctioning?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook good.
 
@egreg Yes, I was referring to comparing (any of) the Nadis with Vezzali.
 
!!/say
Psmith, the TeX bot: By paying attention to the dangerous bend signs in this book you'll be better able to focus on the level that interests you at a particular time.
 
@PauloCereda No, Outlook bad. Any other mail client good.
 
10:46 PM
@AlanMunn LOL
 
!!/answer Yellow hexadecimal HTML name ?
 
@AlanMunn Yes, different under many respects. But one doesn't win six gold medals at the Olympics without being a great athlete.
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
!!/answer HTML code for yellow.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
 
@PauloCereda PSmith has a chip on its shoulder.
Can you move it to its brain ? :P
 
!!/answer Hexadecimal representation for yellow.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: #FFFF00
WOOHOO
 
10:48 PM
aaarghhh
 
!!/eightball Are you trying to be funny?
 
you are bribing it offline right?
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
 
@egreg Absolutely. That's why I would put her above Nadi as an athlete. Of course Nadi contributed much to the sport over his whole life, which is a different matter.
 
@percusse I wish. :)
 
10:50 PM
@egreg or having good venes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Johnson_(sprinter) ....
 
@AlanMunn At Nadi's time they did all three arms. Now it would be impossible.
 
!!/eightball Is fencing dangerous?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.
 
@AlanMunn oh yes had he had the most elaborated coupé
 
!!/eightball Is fencing very dangerous?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes.
 
leo
Año esas way to merge partitions on Win XP?
 
10:52 PM
!!/choose fencing, cricket
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: fencing
 
!!/eightball is curling dangerous?
 
@bloodworks Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: better not tell you now.
 
since in fact fencing has a very low danger potential ... i think the last man who died in a fencing tournament was that russian back in the 80s. He was kill by a german fencer i think.
 
!!/eightball Should we talk about football?
 
10:56 PM
@PauloCereda Psmith is really losing it.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
 
leo
I mean, is there any easy way to merge partitions? I'm on WinXP
 
@AlanMunn He is. :)
@leo There's a mix of Spanish in your message, I was not sure what you were asking. :(
@leo: try some partition manager and see if it helps: partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html
 
@leo logical or physical? i remember that this was quite annoying under xp. Better use UNIX
 
!!/answer s there any easy way to merge partitions on Windows XP?
 
leo
10:59 PM
@Paulo Cereda that's the iPad auto correction :-) I was with the wrong language
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
 
@PauloCereda So it's a he. I thought it was Patti-Smith clone.
 
@percusse LOL
@leo Ah. :)
!!/eightball Do you know Patti-Smith?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: as I see it, yes.
!!/eightball REALLY?!
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my sources say no.
 
@AlanMunn my (former) club stuttgarter-fechtclub.de
 
hahaha pwnd
 
11:01 PM
!!/eightball No?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: most likely.
!!/eightball Should I rewrite you?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
Hey let's change the random seed!
!!/eightball Is it different now?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: most likely.
 
@bloodworks Mine (current) michiganstatefencing.com
 
@PauloCereda cool
 
@AlanMunn just a ilttle bigger;)
 
leo
@bloodworks logical partition
 
@AlanMunn I think the qtree question is for you.
 
11:09 PM
@AlanMunn sad to say but in the biggest club in the whole area has no more than 100 members!
@leo that´s good since you`re not limited with partitions then
 
!!/eightball Are we ok now?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes. Beware, Alan might stab you.
o.O
 
@percusse Indeed. Thanks for the heads up.
@bloodworks I don't think that volume is so much a necessity as levels. I think you need to regularly fence people who are better than you if you want to improve. Obviously a very small club isn't ideal, but 100 members in a club isn't too bad. There are a lot smaller clubs here in the US which get very good competitive results.
Trying to edit an answer I keep getting: `An error occurred saving the edit
(click on this box to dismiss)`
It finally worked.
 
@AlanMunn well i guess in germany the system is different... on national or even on bigger regional only the big names will make it
if you are a nobody to the association you wont get any assistance.
 
11:25 PM
@AlanMunn Same happened to me.
 
@bloodworks Even if you get good individual results? Here the national teams are chosen on objective grounds (national point standings based on competitive results). Canada does the same thing, although it didn't when I was competing, and things were much more politicized.
@percusse A temporary glitch it seems.
 
@AlanMunn It keeps happening, actually. Possibly when concurrent edits are involved.
 
@egreg It's hard to imagine that anyone else was editing my qtree answer.
 
@AlanMunn Maybe the question was being edited, who knows?
 
@AlanMunn there are some fencers on national level which are individuals but the majority comes from the big five... the association is a very political thing. and cares a s**** about the broad (fencing) mass . After the olympics imke duplizter rose her voice... but was put down fast as possible
 
11:32 PM
How do I get functionality similar to \begin{tabular}[t]` using tabularx? Should I post a question or there is something obvious
I did check the documentation, but once I saw the author I didn't want to be "cheating" so didn't read it thoroughly. :-)
 
@bloodworks I see. That's a shame. Is there a lot of government support for the top athletes? Here there's very little.
 
@PeterGrill I believe that \begin{tabularx}{<dimen>}[t]{<spec>} works
@PeterGrill At least, it does in my experiment. :)
 
@egreg Ahhh indeed it does. Optional parameter after a mandatory parameter !! Thank You.
 
@AlanMunn yes they have so called target arrangements which means that they have to get x many medals to get funds for the next 4 years. This year this arrangements weren't met in many disciples including fencing. So there was a short public discussion but i belive they just carry on
 
@PeterGrill It's the same with \begin{tabular*}{<dimen>}[<pos>]{<spec>}
 
11:41 PM
@bloodworks Yes, France had a similar meltdown this year in fencing.
 
(needless to say that the major part of the funds is needed for "administration")
 
@egreg Hmmm.. Did not know that tabular had a dimen spec... Good to know before I get the gold badge for tables. :-) So, is tabularx superseded by tabu?
 
@PeterGrill It's tabular*, not tabular!
 
!!/eightball are you alive?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my sources say no.
 
@egreg Ahhh.. good point...
 
11:44 PM
@AlanMunn hehe... yes somehow the south korea became a force...
 
@PeterGrill If the new version comes out; and the documentation becomes readable without causing headaches and eye twisting.
 
@egreg :-) :-)
 
!!/answer What are the sources?
 
Server error (status 500) occured
 
@PeterGrill The author has some peculiar thoughts about typography; and also about LaTeX syntax. For instance, he decided that multiple >{...} specifiers should behave contrarywise to what they do with array. :( And he insists with \begin{tabu} to <dimen> instead of providing \begin{tabu*}{<dimen>} which would be consistent with LaTeX conventions.
 
11:47 PM
@PauloCereda I accidentally hacked into your computer :)
 
@percusse Oopsie Wolfram Alpha is down. :)
 
@egreg I just saw that in the doc and was wondering if I had gotten the 'TeX' version of the doc? :-)
Ok, sticking with tabularx then...
 
@PeterGrill just use [t] the same
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, but it was after the mandatory <dimen> parameter, which I wasn't expecting...
 
@percusse Lake Victoria, Lake Itasca, Geladaindong Peak, ... :P
@egreg But he is God's gift to LaTeX, don't you know?
 
11:52 PM
@egreg switching > meaning us just wrong which is a shame as there are some good ideas in there in parts
@PeterGrill tis same as tabular* so blame Leslie:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Yeah, egreg straightened me out on that.
 
@PeterGrill Nah you can't trust him
 
Well dear attendees i grant you the fencers salutation and ask for permission to leave the planche for today (@AlanMunn is this the right term "fencers salutation"for the grande salut?)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Well, I tested it first of course.
 
@PeterGrill wise man
 
11:57 PM
@bloodworks Sounds good to me. 'planche' not so much. :) Nice chatting with you.
 
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