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12:00 AM
@DavidCarlisle :-) Hey, egreg is one of us too!! Is there a way to chose the square? Seems random.
 
@PeterGrill dunno I never saw that option as I signed up originally with my google account
 
@DavidCarlisle So, you don't have a better answer for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/80453/…??? Otherwise I am about to modify my preamble to work without the currfile package.
 
@PeterGrill haven't see that qn yet, will look
 
@DavidCarlisle Since it appears you are an expert on .fmt file... I feel as if some expandafter magic might work.
 
@PeterGrill I took the first image that was offered
 
12:08 AM
never seen the currfile package I assume it's something like my ancient mylatex file, but newer?
@PeterGrill I see it has an answer already, does the answer not work?
 
@egreg currfile is a Martin Scharrer package, but since I am executing AtBeginDocument I thought I should get that value. I can't easily use that answer due to the required changes to the command (based on the file name). In wihch case I might as well use a \def to get to the file name.
 
@PeterGrill I guess that when you build the format, currfile sets the file name to MyPreamble.tex, which is the current file, after all.
 
@egreg Don't recall being offered. But when I made a minor change to my profile a few weeks ago I got switched to a nice shiny back one, but then after another minor change I ended up with this one. Now I make a change to my profile and don't get a new one. Sad. :-(
@egreg Yeah I can see how that makes sense also -- just wasn't what I wanted.
No easy way to do a \noexpand, or \expandafter or \WaitUntilBeginDocument? Ideally a \ReadMyMindAndExpandWhenIWant would be ideal. :-)
 
@PeterGrill not sure I understand the question but since (unlike jobname) currfilename is just a macro, can't you define it to be anything you like before dumping the format. (of course if you didn't use tikz all the time you wouldn't need to dump the preamble into a format given the speed of modern machines)
 
@DavidCarlisle The thing is I would prefer that the currfile pacakge do its work, but until I want it to.. I am thinking of reverting to using jobname and handing the special case where I change the \jobname to produce a different version of the file via something like the proposed solution. Reason being that the special case is only built via an automated process, and the other cases are the cases I need when creating the file. Thanks for looking tough.
 
12:20 AM
@PeterGrill What if you use \getmainfile and then \themainfile instead of \currfilename?
 
Yeah, that is exactly what I want? Are those part of currfile or somewhere else?
 
@PeterGrill It's in currfile. I'll add the code as an answer.
 
@egreg Yep just found. Am seeing if that works for me -- have a feeling that it will only work on the 2nd run, but yes please do add that as an answer.
 
Anybody knows how to run biber and xelatex in Windows XP without using some third party program (the same way you can run it from the terminal in OS X)?
 
@egreg was just looking at getmainfile, but I haven't really worked out what the package is doing, I suppose I should look at the documented source rather than just the .sty :-)
 
12:29 AM
@PeterGrill It works on the first run, for me. Of course the -recorder option is necessary.
@DavidCarlisle I read the documentation; sometimes, although rarely, it helps. ;-)
 
@egreg Yep, I just got it to work.. Well that'll teach @DavidCarlisle to give up so easily. Now egreg is getting even further ahead!!
 
Hey! 100 rep at 00:30 UTC!
 
Ok, I think that solution warrants upgrading @egreg from beers to fine Californian wine...
 
@PeterGrill oy you're one ahead of me as well.
 
@egreg I guess I have been hanging around @DavidCarlisle too long -- I don't read the documentation carefully enough... Actually Gonzalo caught me the other day not even reading the question I was trying to answer...
@DavidCarlisle Choool, when I accept the answer that'l be 3 ahead of you, no way you can catch up now!! :-)
 
12:35 AM
@PeterGrill see you have an unfair advantage, getting rep for accepting answers, egreg and I never get that,
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@DavidCarlisle Yeah and with 175 questions, that means up to 300 rep!! So then that is the trick. I just have to ask more questions...
 
@PeterGrill 300 rep? Less than a couple of days' work, without trying to make up a good question. :)
 
@egreg Well, 300 rep is really only one day for you.. Couple of days for us mere mortals.
 
12:50 AM
@Speldosa Using the Windows Command Prompt does not work?
 
Anyway to use a specific version of a package? I don't want a later version, but a very specific version. I need to use 2011/04/07 of standalone and so far have a copy in my local tree but would be better if I could just specify that only that version (and not a later, nor earlier) is to be used.
 
1:09 AM
After reading the answer, this question seems to be off-topic:
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Q: Sweave: How to remove horizontal space in Soutput environments?

Marius HofertAs the following example shows, there is a horizontal space added in the Soutput environment. This leads to a non-left-aligned output (see the output of rnorm(). I found that this space already exists in "standard R output" (in interactive mode), the question is if it can be avoided somehow? \do...

 
@GonzaloMedina I thought that too, but it has a \usepackage{Sweave}? Does that make it a necessary and sufficient condition for on-topicness?
 
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\documentclass{standalone}
\makeatletter
\def\foo#1<{#1=}
\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter
\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter
\expandafter
\foo\@ifclasslater{standalone}{2012/05/20}{\typeout{no}}{\typeout{yes}}

\stop
 
@DavidCarlisle Hey, you are tying to confuse me with more expandafters than needed? There is an easier way to check for package being later or not. So, that was a test, right?
But that only provides a check to make sure I got the right one. But can I request that only a particular version be used.
 
@PeterGrill well there are other things you could do, but for that particular case (usig \@ifclasslater but changing < to = in the test 15 \expandafter are what you want
 
@DavidCarlisle Seriously???
 
1:17 AM
@PeterGrill I never joke about \expandafter
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@PeterGrill No kpathsea has no access to the file contents only the file name so you can't request a particular version, only load whichever version is first on the path and then complain if it isn't the one you want
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok. I was pretty sure I had a simpler version of that, but will try to locate it. But still, I can use the test to make sure I got the right version, but how do I ask for the one version. Oh, and I need the pacakge, not the class.
 
@PeterGrill is there a standalone package as well? change to \@ifpackagelater then
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, so I do have to keep the older version in my tree then. That's what I have been doing... Thanks for the clarrification... I will try to dig up that simpler check I had..
 
@PeterGrill if you'd prefer 3 to 15 then you could do
\def\zz#1/#2/#3 #4\zz{%
\ifnum#1#2#3=20120520
\typeout{yes}
\else
\typeout{no}
\fi}
\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter
\zz\csname ver@standalone.cls\endcsname\zz
 
@DavidCarlisle But what is wrong with \@ifpackagelater{<name>}{<date>}{<yes>}{<no>}? as per
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Q: Require a certain (or later) version of a package?

gablinIs there a way to enforce that a certain version, or a later version, of a package is loaded when building the document? I've found that compiling a document on another platform, where the package versions differ, can cause problems that may or may not be hard to pinpoint. Thus, I would like to b...

 
1:27 AM
which is essentially the same but it trades less expandafter for conceptually more complicated as it has to parse the version date out of teh string itself rather than just using ifclasslater but changing < to = to make ifclassequal. (don't think of 15 as lots of expandafter it's just 2^4 - 1
@PeterGrill well that;s what the code is doing taking ifpackagelater and changing < tp = to make an if package equals test
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, I guess 2^4-1 is a lot less than 15. :-)
@DavidCarlisle Ok, I guess I'll just have to file that under "Stuff I don't get about expansion" :-)
Perhaps that is the real reason I need to use a .fmt file. I am not using enough \expanafters?? :-)
 
1:41 AM
@PeterGrill 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 - 1 = 15 or did you mean 2^(4-1) = 2 x 2 x 2 = 8?
 
@Speravir I was just using David's 2^4 - 1, which is the first interpretation. :-)
Another joke that might be lost in translation. David's comment sounded as if 16 is a lot, but 2^4 -1 is not that many. :-)
 
@PeterGrill Aaah!
 
@PeterGrill well the point is really that you need a logarithmic scale, 15 expandafter just expands one more level than 7 which expands one more level than 3 which expands once more level than 1 expandafter
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow!! You really were serious when you said you never joke about \expandafer!! Now I understand what you meant.
 
2:06 AM
@PeterGrill beware premature expansion:-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/81725/…
 
@DavidCarlisle Great, not only do I have to worry about \expandafter, but apparently also there is something that causes premature expansion. Is that perhaps \expandbefore?
:-)
 
@PeterGrill it's the pre-scan looking for \omit (\multicoluimn) would expand the macro and take the not-math branch but then when \omit is not found tex backs up and inserts the $ from the array preamble but it doesn't undo the expansions it did so the start of any alignment cell will always test as not math mode (array, amsmath align, etc)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hope it is ok to quote you in the answer. Otherwise later when I come to this answer and see that, I'll get delusional and think that at one point I understood expansion... :
 
:-)
@PeterGrill there must be a qn on site explaining that, I'll have a look
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Q: \ifmmode doesn't seem to work correctly inside an array environment

gablinI'm struggling with getting \ifmmode to work correctly when used inside an array environment which is inside a displaymath environment. Here is a minimal example: \documentclass{article} \newcommand{\signal}[1]{% \ifmmode 1#1 \else 2$#1$ \fi } \begin{document} \begin{displaymath}...

 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. will link to that.
 
2:14 AM
@PeterGrill Not sure why I'm helping you, since you just got ahead again
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah was just about to check.. Hey, I tried to help you earlier, but egreg was wiser.
 
Just watching the bbc coverage of the events in your part of the world always entertaining to see how other folk do these things:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You mean the election?
 
@PeterGrill yes
 
Well, I lost all respect for Obama after the AIG fiasco regarding the bonuses, especially give that: 1. He is a lawyer, 2. He could easily have blamed the previous administration. For an lawyer to to try to claim that AIG should not pay the bonuses (especially since there was a 3x penalty if it was not paid by the deadline) was ridiculous.
 
2:26 AM
good night...
 
@DavidCarlisle Good nite. I;ll be back later.
 
2:48 AM
After waiting 3 months I've finally managed to wrap up that grid thingy...
 
 
4 hours later…
7:03 AM
@percusse grid thingy?
 
 
3 hours later…
9:53 AM
@PeterGrill: The interview list has the chatroom transcription and the blogpost. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well it seems as if that was such a brilliant idea that you fixed it way before i even asked for it. :-)
 
@PeterGrill <3
 
 
1 hour later…
10:56 AM
@PeterGrill Yep, I was delaying it for some time already...
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Q: Missing horizontal or vertical lines when drawing backwards TikZ grids

IgnasiLook at next code, when I want to draw a grid from right to left or top to bottom, vertical or horizontal lines are not drawn, even with xstep=-1 or ystep=-1 (as it's suggested in Jake's answer in Grid missing horizontal lines). What am I missing? I'm using TikZ's CVS version. \documentclass[bo...

A rare occasion that I can see through the @ jungle :)
 
 
1 hour later…
11:57 AM
@PeterGrill Just read through the interview. Interesting read. Brought back happy memories of the Bay Area. Also figured I'd sort out the confusion on your "dumb question" about coordinates.
@PeterGrill Oh, and on the papyrus: nice start. Main comments: 1) it should be a TikZ node. 2) different bits should scale differently.
 
12:26 PM
singapore...in singapore with JL.
 
12:52 PM
@PauloCereda: Hi Paulo. Tomorrow morning you can expect a mail from me. ;-)
(Morning for me. For you night)
 
@HarishKumar Hi Harish! :) ooh an email! :)
I'm already hitting the refresh button! :)
 
@PauloCereda Not now. It will take some 10 hours for me. :-)
 
1:17 PM
@AndrewStacey Thanks, I could employ my time in the train in a very enjoyable fashion. :)
 
@egreg No, no: thank you. It's a very nice explanation.
Talking of trains, I have about 5hrs on the train on Friday. Anyone got any complicated TikZ questions?
 
1:34 PM
@AndrewStacey You can write an entire talk in five hours on the train. ;-) Ask David. :)
 
@AndrewStacey Oooh, could you adapt Hobby so that it can be used PGFPlots, i.e. with the TikZ plot handlers? That would answer the feature request that has been opened.
Here's a MWE to get you started:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\usetikzlibrary{hobby}


\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{axis}
\addplot +[smooth] {rnd};
\end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
 
@egreg Just learnt about Conway's base 13 function: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_base_13_function There's one to bamboozle the undergraduates with.
@Jake Be careful what you wish for ...
user image
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@AndrewStacey Very nice: one of the incredible tricks Conway is famous for!
 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\usetikzlibrary{hobby}


\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{axis}
\addplot +[smooth] {rnd};
\addplot +[hobby] {rnd};
\end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
@egreg At first sight, I think "Why 13??" but then I realise that, of course, it's obvious.
 
1:50 PM
@AndrewStacey Yup, that's how I would like it to work.
For more proper data, of course
Is it done already?
 
@Jake But did you see the graph above? The problem is that the Hobby algorithm works on 2D data and fits a curve through them. It knows nothing of the Arrow of Time so doesn't know that lines aren't meant to go backwards.
 
@AndrewStacey But neither does the smooth function, that's something the user has to look out for. I'm not fond of smoothing data anyway, but if someone wants to, they should be able to do it prettily.
 
@AndrewStacey You need C to choose whether the image isn't 0, A and B for deciding if the number should be positive or negative; and all digits from 0 to 9 to ensure that the whole line is covered.
 
I could imagine this being useful for qualitative graphs, rather than data plotting.
 
@egreg Exactly: 3 choices, so 10+3 = 13.
@Jake Didn't realise that the smooth function also had that failing.
 
2:05 PM
@AndrewStacey Excellent, thank you!
Sorry for not providing a better distraction for your train ride...
 
5 hours? should be long enough to rewrite pgf in latex3
 
@AndrewStacey Yeah, I think you'd need a much more elaborate approach to avoid that. Example for the smooth function travelling back in time: \addplot +[smooth] coordinates {((0,0) (0.01,1) (1,0)};
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd planned on the other way around: rewrite latex3 in pgf.
 
@AndrewStacey either way leads to greater world unification and harmony (given the power of the combined system, if your train is not yet in) you could write a lua interpreter in pgfl3 and then implement context mk iv in latex3
 
@DavidCarlisle I have bigger plans for lua than mere world unification. I plan to get lua, iPad, Raspberry Pi, and beamer all working in unison.
@Jake I guess that if you're smoothing a plot then the x-coordinates of the controls should always be at 0, 1/3, 2/3, 1 (suitably scaled and translated). So the algorithm (whatever it is) should only compute the y values of the control points.
(Oh, and the toaster)
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(which was an addendum to my reply to @DavidCarlisle, not @Jake, but I'm too lazy to look up the transcript number to make it a proper reply)
 
2:41 PM
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[chelonii]{duck}
\begin{document}
\tortoise
\end{document}
@PauloCereda Feature request for you (*points up*)
 
@AndrewStacey ooh :)
 
3:05 PM
@AndrewStacey:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{tikz}

\definecolor{c445500}{RGB}{68,85,0}
\definecolor{c668000}{RGB}{102,128,0}
\definecolor{c666666}{RGB}{102,102,102}
\definecolor{c806600}{RGB}{128,102,0}
\definecolor{cffffff}{RGB}{255,255,255}
\definecolor{c1a1a1a}{RGB}{26,26,26}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}[y=0.80pt, x=0.8pt,yscale=-1, inner sep=0pt, outer sep=0pt]
  \path[draw=black,fill=c445500,line join=miter,line cap=butt,line width=0.800pt]
    (276.9789,494.2450) .. controls (276.9789,494.2450) and (272.7394,553.8821) ..
 
3:32 PM
@PauloCereda Yay! (I strongly suspect you didn't do that by hand ...)
 
@AndrewStacey It's a typical Geogebra generated TikZ code
 
Hi guys. I've noticed that the TikZ tracker is extremely inactive, and even activity on patches does not happen. E.g. sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=142562&atid=752794
Any idea why this is?
This is particularly odd in light of its widespread usage in the TeX community.
 
@AndrewStacey <3
 
3:50 PM
@AndrewStacey @PauloCereda is there a clever way to shorten such generated TikZ code?
Such as picking control points, perhaps manually
 
@StefanKottwitz I have absolutely no idea. :) But we can write a code to reduce the complexity. :)
 
A complex code :-) which needs another code to reduce the code complexity.
 
@StefanKottwitz Slightly related: there's a python script called scour which does this for SVG. I run SVGs from Inkscape through it as they're usually quite bloated.
 
Once I converted the OpenNet logo to TikZ, which was pretty easy: took the AI file, renamed to PDF, converted PDF to SVG and then to TikZ using the known tools. But bloated result.
 
@StefanKottwitz We do love complicated things. :)
 
3:55 PM
I guess it could be made with nice simplicity using symmetry and a loop
I just did not ask here, because "do this for me" questions are not desired
Whoever takes the time to create this logo with clever code, may decide where I spend 500 bounty to one ore more questions which need attention ;-)
 
@PauloCereda if you'd have wanted the simple version you'd have used picture mode
 
@FaheemMitha The changelog shows some changes. You can directly see it on the TikZ builds page, where I uploaded a current CVS version just days ago.
 
@JasperLoy Just came across sourceforge.net/tracker/… Is this you? Have you heard of Hobby?
 
4:30 PM
@AndrewStacey To the reception please, you have a visitor:
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Q: Add "tangential nodes" to a hobby curve

studentIs it possible to place nodes along a hobby curve such that the orientation is tangential to the curve. I should add what I mean with tangential: The curved hobby path should represent a curvy street and then I would add an image of a car at a given position on the path such that the car points t...

@FaheemMitha Come on, I've just put something today :) Maybe it's not reflected on the bugtracker but the CVS version is updated pretty often.
 
J G
@StefanKottwitz Hey! What's up?
@Jake Thank you for the help with my post!
@egreg Thank you for the help with my post!
 
@JG You're welcome!
 
4:53 PM
@percusse : Right. You mean sourceforge.net/tracker/…
But has this patch been picked up? Will it be?
@StefanKottwitz Ok. I just meant that the bug reports show little activity since 2007 or so.
@StefanKottwitz: I didn't mean to suggest that development had stopped
Though it does seem to have slowed down
 
@percusse I see we now have a tag.
 
I can't believe we do have a tag. :)
 
@PauloCereda Just wait until there's a question with both those tags:
 
@AndrewStacey OMG epic. :)
 
Here's your tortoise cleaned up a bit:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{tikz}

\definecolor{c445500}{RGB}{68,85,0}
\definecolor{c668000}{RGB}{102,128,0}
\definecolor{c666666}{RGB}{102,102,102}
\definecolor{c806600}{RGB}{128,102,0}
\definecolor{cffffff}{RGB}{255,255,255}
\definecolor{c1a1a1a}{RGB}{26,26,26}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}[yscale=-1]
  \filldraw[fill=c445500]
    (-3.1,2.4) .. controls (-3.1,2.4) and (-3.2,3.8) ..
    (-2.9,4) .. controls (-2.6,4.2) and (-1.8,3.8) ..
    (-1.8,3.8) .. controls (-1.5,3.6) and (-2,2.8) ..
 
5:11 PM
@AndrewStacey Fantastic. :)
 
Wow even white color is redefined.
@FaheemMitha yep
@AndrewStacey After \tikzmark you've created another monster.
 
@AndrewStacey: in other news, any luck with the new .jar? :) I'm curious. :)
 
@percusse is a of s
@PauloCereda Sorry - have gotten as far as downloading it but yet to install it.
 
@AndrewStacey Don't worry. :) I was curious. :) I have the programmer itch. :)
 
@PeterGrill , @AndrewStacey started calling names.... I'm outta here!
 
5:19 PM
@percusse LOL
@percusse: The TeX version of Beatlejuice. :)
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@PauloCereda So do I just stick the .jar file in place of arara.jar in my arara folder (have I used up my quota of as and rs for today?)
 
@AndrewStacey Yes, that's the plan. :) (backup first, you know me) :P
@percusse LMAO
 
@PauloCereda Okay, it works fine when I run it from the command line and kill it with CTRL+C but it doesn't work when I kill it from within Emacs.
 
@AndrewStacey Hm the command line was also giving trouble?
 
5:33 PM
@PauloCereda Don't know. Hadn't tried it with the command line before. Just restored the "safe" version and, no, the command line wasn't giving trouble before.
 
@AndrewStacey I'll investigate, thanks. :)
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Q: Real life & death issue that requires a mathematical solution

TheShiftExchangeThis is a real life & death issue that requires a mathematical solution. I'm not 100% sure which is the best stack exchange network to post this in after reading the FAQ - so I thought I'd start here. Background: I work for an Ambulance service in Australia. We have a dispatch system that wi...

DID I JUST READ ABOUT PRECOG DOLPHINS? :)
We definitely need @percusse here. :)
 
@PauloCereda That looks like a dying salesman problem :)
Ah those small bottles in the minibar, they look soooo tempting.
 
Has anyone encountered the \graph command in TikZ? Just found it in the code and have never come across it before.
 
@percusse Yep. :)
 
@AndrewStacey Indeed that's bizarre because it looks like it's doubling the efforts of pgfplots. Actually I'm really curious why they did it.
And Christian is in the dev team. So that didn't make much sense.
 
5:46 PM
@percusse Looks like it is the other meaning of graph: gezeiten.org/post/2011/07/…
 
@AndrewStacey Ah sorry I meant the new plot functions. I misread.
@PauloCereda Look at the new answer :D
 
@percusse o.O
OMG
 
6:09 PM
A-ha! Despite using the CVS version of PGF, I've been consulting the TL version of the manual. That's why there's all this stuff I don't know.
 
@AndrewStacey OH, you used to be in the Bay Area? Where?
 
@PeterGrill I was at Stanford from 2001-04. My wife taught in a school near San Jose.
 
@AndrewStacey Good explanation on the "embarrasing" question. But, I have seen other cases where at least it appeared to be that incorrect syntax was nor reported by tikz -- next time I will try to post 'em in case they have similar explanations. Re: papyrus question, well this is the first time I looked at the pgfpoint type macros, so left the points as they were given by the OP. I think the only way to go about it is to trace the drawing so that you know what parts draw what time and scale them
@AndrewStacey Were you teaching at Stanford? Where about's in San Jose did you wife teach?
 
6:25 PM
@PeterGrill I'm certainly not claiming that TikZ/PGF are good at reporting syntactical errors. Just that in that case there was an explanation.
@PeterGrill Yes, I was a post-doc. My wife's school was just outside San Jose - don't remember the exact district but it was just off the 280 somewhere along Stevens Creek Boulevard (I know that's not all that helpful!).
 
@AndrewStacey Yep. But I was pretty sure before reading your explanation that tikz was wrong. So perhaps I am also wrong in the other cases -- I do find it difficult to believe that there could be parsing problems, and yet the package works so well.
@AndrewStacey Oh, it wasn't DeAnza College was it? What did she teach?
 
@PeterGrill No, it wasn't. She's a high school science teacher.
@PeterGrill Definitely worth posting them. There are occasional parsing problems - sometimes due to expansion!
 
@AndrewStacey Yeah, my favorite type of question. :-)
@percusse Sorry, not sure what this is referring to, but certainly hope that this is a temporary state.
 
6:44 PM
@PeterGrill I think percusse was referring to:
1 hour ago, by Andrew Stacey
@percusse is a of s
 
@AndrewStacey :-). Is the there a "How to draw a turtle?" question coming up? I saw your post above.
 
@PeterGrill Re complicated syntax and not expected behaviour: see my answer at tex.stackexchange.com/a/29781/86
@PeterGrill Paulo already drew one for me so I don't need one anymore (I want to put a tortoise as an illustration in a talk)
 
@AndrewStacey Yeah I saw that before but I try to use simple syntax as much as possible, even if it means more typing...
@DavidCarlisle: You really need to stop coming up with simple solutions (ex changing margins for a page with tables). Otherwise people are going to start thinking that TeX is easy to use, and we don't want that do we!!
 
7:27 PM
@StefanKottwitz I think this post needs to be un-CWed : tex.stackexchange.com/questions/80476/…
 
Does anyone here used sty2dtx, especially with a custom template, and had issues with wrong checksums?
 
@percusse Ok, I removed the wiki status
fancy papyrus roll :-)
 
7:55 PM
@StefanKottwitz Thank you...
 
@PeterGrill sorry, I'll use tikz next time.
 
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Q: pdflatex + java applet?

Anton PetruninI am writing lecture notes in Euclidean/Noneuclidean geometry, see here. The lecture 10 is about geometric constructions, where I use some java applets for constructin. So far I made a hlink from pdf-file to html-file, which contains the links to all constructions. But I would like to keep every...

I need some enlightment here.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes that was a perfect opportunity for a tikz solution. :-)
 
@PauloCereda about Noneuclidean Geometry, java applets or pdf?
 
@DavidCarlisle All together. :) I could not understand what the OP wants to achieve.
 
8:04 PM
@PauloCereda I saw that and was also not sure, but thought it was as I don't know much about JavaScript/PDF issues.
 
@PeterGrill My guess is that the OP wants to embed those Java applets into the PDF, which is not possible.
 
@PauloCereda I suspect he wants to use the pdf-pretending-to-be-a-zip-file features to make the whole lot bepackaged as a single pdf including the java applets no idea if that's possible
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah. :)
 
@PauloCereda I think these days you can attach any files inside the pdf but unless you attach an entire jvm as well can't see how it could run from inside acrobat
 
@DavidCarlisle My thoughts exactly. :) Running arbitrary code from PDF files is extremely dangerous, not to mention that the applet has to run in a web container + jvm.
 
8:08 PM
@PauloCereda That's expected from a user who uses dropbox as a webserver :)
 
@percusse Oh my! :D
Oh my, I got a "nice answer" badge for an answer I can't remember.
 
That oughta be nice!
 
@percusse youtube.com/… (0:52 mark) :P
NIZE! :P
 
@PauloCereda Heheheh
 
 
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9:33 PM
@egreg: great game!
 
user19161
@PauloCereda You in Sao Paulo now?
 
@WillHunting No, I'm back to my city. :)
 
user19161
@PauloCereda I saw the picture, traffic is CRAZY
 
@WillHunting It is very chaotic indeed. Thankfully, when I went to São Paulo on Monday, the traffic was very nice.
 
9:55 PM
@PauloCereda At last! A pity that Chelsea scored in the final seconds.
 
@egreg Indeed.
 
@egreg not very sporting comment:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Who cares? ;-)
 
@egreg I think I shall have to defend the honour of English football and say they deserved the win (I assume it's football we're talking about?)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@egreg: Oscar scored a beautiful goal in the game.
 
10:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle I didn't see the match, of course. But I could see the final goal: a corner kick with everybody in the box. Maybe they deserved to win, but I'd have been happier if they didn't. ;-)
 
10:24 PM
@PauloCereda here is the reason for your badge probably :)
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Q: Typewriter Animation Using the 'Animate' Package

manuel.kuehnerI wanted to do something similar like here: Improving typewriter animation But using the animate package. I managed to get a very poor solution: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{animate} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage[active,tightpage]{preview} \PreviewEnvi...

 
@egreg do you have a link to your lastnodetype loop answer ?
 
@percusse Oh! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Do I smell a TikZ answer (a tone ala Swedish chef)?
 
@percusse Nah @Werner asked a \lastbox question in a comment to my answer and egreg has a good deconstruct-box loop answer somewhere but I can't find it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Nice try. But I'm emailing Peter Grill as we speak :P
 
10:39 PM
@PauloCereda: Hi Paulo Good morning here :-) You got a mail.
 
@HarishKumar Hi Harish! :) Replying your email right now. :)
 
@PauloCereda @HarishKumar I think you don't quite get the basics of emailing :)
 
@percusse Don't laugh. I know quite a lot of people who send you an SMS after they send you an e-mail ;)
 
@tohecz I'm just teasing them. I'm just jealous.
 
@percusse Good morning/night. Why :-( We communicate here as people are always present here and they check e-mails once in a while.
 
10:41 PM
@percusse You don't know how to send an e-mail? :P
 
using too much the word just, stop it
@tohecz Yes we only have port 80 open and I need SSL heheh
I think I have made a succesful nerd joke!
 
@percusse Ai It is OK. I got it. Teasing is part of having fun.
 
@HarishKumar Really? My thunderbird is open earlier than my Firefox ;)
 
fingers crossed
 
@tohecz: For me it is true.
 
10:43 PM
 
@HarishKumar And since GMail has keep-alive connection with my client, I got the e-mail within seconds after gmail recieves them
 
@percusse I didn't get Paul's comment to tex.stackexchange.com/a/81792/11232. When we define a top color the angle is set to zero. But after that we are setting it again at 45. It should be OK IMO. Or I am wrong? What is your opinion on it?
@tohecz I too have it ( a notification facility) .But I won't be always online ;_9
 
@HarishKumar Ouch that's a tough one to summarize. There are more than one mechanisms in place.
 
@HarishKumar nice. I should go to bed, I have a long day tomorrow again.
 
@tohecz Good night tochez.
 
10:48 PM
He has a point though but luckily TikZ solves it automatically for us. So he is right about the complication but TikZ has an internal mechanism to solve it.
 
@HarishKumar You've got an auto-spell-check?
 
@tohecz Good night.
 
@percusse Can you be some more specific please
@tohecz In what? (am I making many spelling mistakes?)
 
@HarishKumar yes, in my nickname :p
 
@tohecz Oh. Sorry. My typing is rusty. :-(
 
10:50 PM
and if you wanted, you can call me Tom ;) The name tohecz is actually more a "login" than a "nick name"
 
@tohecz Oh. That is sweet and easy to type Tom :-)
 
@HarishKumar Usually the shading does not care if you rotate the picture or not you just see it through. But here, Till Tantau left a special option for us to rotate the shading and it's only valid for the horizontal/vertical shading. But I am not comfortable right now since I have to read again the relevant part.
 
@tohecz Do you write blog somewhere on TeX by the name Tom?
 
@Harish: sent. :)
 
@HarishKumar I would suggest that you include the portion of the manual that this specific case is valid.
 
10:52 PM
@HarishKumar No, I hardly ever use it anywhere "officially"
 
@percusse Which part is relevant. It is blinding me :-(
 
I guess the only place where would my real name appear on TeX.SX would be a TeXtalk interview if I was being interviewed ;)
 
@tohecz Oh.
 
@HarishKumar Regarding
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Q: Reformatting LaTeX code after excel2latex

AlexI use excel2latex to generate tables from Excel. The issue is that excel2latex generates really horribly formatted code with extra spaces, misaligned, etc. Does anyone have another solution to creating tables from excel? Alternatively from R? It seems that typing the actual table out could be p...

@Alex: You must not download directly github.com/cmhughes/latexindent.plx ! Go on it, then click on “indent.plx” and then download by clicking on the “Raw” button! Your error message comes from the HTML file you actually downloaded. — Speravir 23 mins ago
 
@PauloCereda I am on it.
 
10:53 PM
@HarishKumar <3
 
@HarishKumar Maybe we should first understand Paul's objection :) Then I can point my finger more specifically.
 
@cmhughes or another blog editor: Perhaps in tex.blogoverflow.com/2012/08/… add a remark for not directly downloading github.com/cmhughes/latexindent.plx
 
@Speravir Thanks for nailing it. It should be OK now.
@percusse I could not understand though. May I leave a comment for Paul for some clarification?
 
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Q: Typewriter Animation Using the 'Animate' Package

manuel.kuehnerI wanted to do something similar like here: Improving typewriter animation But using the animate package. I managed to get a very poor solution: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{animate} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage[active,tightpage]{preview} \PreviewEnvi...

 
@HarishKumar Yes that would save us from a lot of unnecessary discussion :)
 
10:59 PM
Great, now I know how to sing Happy Birthday in German. :)
 
@PauloCereda No, you don’t! beg
 
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