LaTeX 2024-11-01 is on CTAN and should appear in TeX Live tomorrow

The ConTeXt font thing is fun, isn't it :)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@JosephWright and next latex-dev ?

@UlrikeFischer I'll send that today - I give CTAN a few hours to recover :)

@UlrikeFischer Probably, he is the font guy.

@JosephWright With some definition of fun.

@mickep Yup

@mickep :)

@mickep you should have just fixed the original fonts then not only would you have not broken xetex, xetex could use the additions;-)

@JosephWright By the way, it is a (Xe)LaTeX font thing, the fonts always worked fine in ConTeXt :)

@mickep :)

@mickep Even when using XeTeX (MkIII? I forget what Hans did there)?

@JosephWright Yes, well, there were no opentype math fonts in that time. But I'm sure it would have worked. In fact, wasn't the math fonts project triggered by ConTeXt?

@mickep someone posted that some apple font application similarly got confused, so it is apparaently not just xetex that uses the peferred family field in preference. (I'm still not convinced they should but I haven't read the full specs...)

@DavidCarlisle Indeed, and that is the wrong approach that could/should be solved (mentioned at github...). I assume you are clear in the fontspec manual that people should not rely on family names.

@mickep well for xetex by default names don't work by default at all, only if you locally configure fontconfig to search the texlive tree. thing is it is just a lot more natural to use the names, if they want TeX Gyre Termes Math it's just a lot easier to ask for that than to find out what the file name is and use that (people are scared by the file system) especially for windows system fonts working out what the filename is for a given name isn't so friendly

How can a user know if it is TeX Gyre or TG or TeXGyre or anything else, and is it case sensitive? And what about if there is also a bold math, shall it take Regular or Bold?

@mickep Look at what Word calls it ;)

(I am broadly serious)

@JosephWright I do not have access to Word.

@mickep Other GUI word processors are available ;)

@mickep Most users will, one way or another - and they'll certainly have some GUI programs using system fonts they want to access

OK, if that is how you want users to find out :)

@mickep OS's offer system tools, of course - on macOS I'd look in FontBook for example

@mickep so how would you expect a user to refernce say cambria math which is hidden somewhere in cambria ttc ?

@DavidCarlisle \setupbodyfont[cambria].

@DavidCarlisle mtxrun --script fonts --list --all for the more advanced users who will need to configure themselves.

@mickep but what if i only y want the math font, or if I want to use whatever font firefox says it is using for some random Indic script example question posted on a site, most tools give the internal font names

(That will of course give the names, that the user already had when installing the font, so ...)

Thoughts on github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/1523 welcome

@DavidCarlisle ConTeXt can use font names. It is relying on family names that is the problem here.

@mickep ah ok i thought you were saying they should use the external filename

@DavidCarlisle That is the safest.

@DavidCarlisle Seen chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/156021/…?

@mickep it is but as I say not always the friendliest interace and it's not surprising people use other names, especially children who seem not to find it strange to use spaces in names

@JosephWright probably not, let me see...

@DavidCarlisle I did read the spec, and it says 17 Typographic Subfamily name. This allows font designers to specify a subfamily name within the typographic family grouping. This string must be unique within a particular typographic family, and this is not the case here.

@JosephWright I posted an answer

Oh, new fonts...

@mickep excellent outcome, fix xetex, break context :-)

@DavidCarlisle I understand you are happy with that. Sigh.

@mickep Not really, but I'm happy to pretend to be happy.

ctan.org/incoming enumext my new toy has come out into the world :D

@DavidCarlisle Oh, everything for "the game"

@PabloGonzálezL congratulations

@mickep It would be good if the general rule that any change breaks something wasn't true, but sadly the TeX ecosystem is sufficiently fragile that it is true more often than not.

@DavidCarlisle I take your word on that. :)

@mickep >.< now I lost the game

@Skillmon ^_^

@Skillmon I hope to maintain it with the same energy as the developer of easybook :D

@PabloGonzálezL I'm looking forward to three updates a week

@PabloGonzálezL Is it a new enumeration package?

@Skillmon That's the minimum, my other option is to follow the development cycle of xspace :D

@mickep Yes

@mickep github.com/pablgonz/enumext

@PabloGonzálezL a good record to aim for is to beat longtable's record of 25 years between bug report and response

@DavidCarlisle today I found two issues in one of my repo, one was a month old the other two. Somehow I wasn't watching my own repo...

@DavidCarlisle Ohhh...I think that record is almost unbeatable :D

@mickep Thanks, I used @DavidCarlisle color scheme

@PabloGonzálezL Isn't he color blind? duck

@mickep jejej, this pkg it's like enumitem+tasks but only with numbered lists and of course, compatible with tagged PDF :D

Jokes aside, I am very grateful to everyone here in the chat and on the forum, without the comments and answers you have given me I would not have made it.

@PabloGonzálezL in section 1 of the manual you have "world world"

@Skillmon Ouchh...Damn, I wrote that like 5 years ago and I never saw it :(

@PabloGonzálezL Cool, let us hope it is well-received.

@mickep If you are not a fan of manually setting |\itemindent| I think this will be helpful :D

@PabloGonzálezL The image is on the right side in the example with "Question with image on left side:"

@Skillmon Grrrr

I'll stop. Have to get my nagging game up, must do review tasks for my dayjob.

I'm also leaving for now, mission: Remove the training wheels from my son's bike...it's going to be a long day.

@PabloGonzálezL Walking/balance bikes are good, but maybe you have such a thing as well.

My update cycle is more like: two weeks like easybook, then half a year nothing =D

ooh bananas without B is just pineapple

@PauloCereda and either go well with duck

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda Duck without B is just ...

@mickep ooh a duck