@PhelypeOleinik hehe. Maybe I'll add a vote to the issue.

@UlrikeFischer I'm sorting a dev release today sao we are back 'in sync' with the fixes

@JosephWright it's Sunday, ducks have to get bread in the park :)

@JosephWright good ;-) I'm so used to calling dev by default that it confuses me, if it lags behind.

@UlrikeFischer I thought you'd be happy

@PauloCereda Sunday, traditional roast dinner

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle we had guests yesterday evening ...

@UlrikeFischer ooh

@PauloCereda shouldn't that have been "oh no"?

@UlrikeFischer hm only if the main dish would...

oh wait

OH NO

@UlrikeFischer oh no

jason.af/context-switching

@UlrikeFischer I've sent the dev release to CTAN so we will have it for TUG'22

@moewe I see you have quite a few l3build tests for biblatex now :)

@JosephWright dev release is the new easybook

@PauloCereda easybook cheats - I am confident I have sent more uploads to CTAN than anyone else :)

@JosephWright ooh

@PauloCereda I was speaking to a Brazilian colleague on Friday: she's just picked up an Italian ID card ... I'm spotting a pattern

@JosephWright ooh

@PauloCereda oh, I thought that ConTeXt switching always is good. 🤪

@mickep what have ConTeXt ever done for us

@PauloCereda Little ugly duck has made the news this weekend: www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/2022/07/…

@gusbrs wooo! youtube.com/watch?v=wQ22Ymo0Spk I know all of them. :) (including my supervisor lol)

@PauloCereda Sounds like your origin story: "How I became a duck" :)

@gusbrs "Take that, UNICAMP!"

@PauloCereda A typical "USP-em-tudo" statement (read it fast ;-).

@gusbrs you naughty bloke :)

@gusbrs on a serious note, the sad thing is that the most amusing parts of the Patinho Feio project will never come to the public (my supervisor used to tell me fantastic stories on how they managed to get components, etc). Unless I prod someone to write their memoirs.

@PauloCereda Well, I did not invent it, just reproducing it. As far as I know, this little joke is meant to pick on the snobbishness of the "USP-em-tudo", of which I'm guilty as charged. :)

@gusbrs yep, it's the "I use Arch btw" equivalent in Brazilian academia. :)

@PauloCereda Keeping memory of things is not a strong point of the country, unfortunately...

@PauloCereda :-D

@gusbrs you can say that again

@PauloCereda Oh, yes I can, I know that well. It's my trade. Archival material of my research area is subject to the strangest stuff.

Many of politicians documents, with luck, end up in private institutions.

The papers of the Companhia Siderúrgica Nacional were "privatized" along with the company in the 1990s. The news I have is that the library has been destroyed.

I found the annual reports of the company in Germany, couldn't find them here.

Oh my

When I did find it in a Library in Kiel the librarian explained me they didn't have the one for 1944, because it was out of print, but from 1958 on, they had it both in Portuguese and English, and asked which ones I wanted...

It was then that I understood the comment of a professor of mine who once said to me "we don't have libraries in Brazil". :(

Ah, cherry on top. I did try to visit the company and see things "on site". When I told I was a researcher I was not received at all, given the track of the company of being a cornerstone of "economic nationalism", now private... No longer any interest in feeding those "nationalist academics"...

Oh my!

@PauloCereda As you see, the "Patinho Feio" has got more love than many. ;)

@gusbrs quack :)

@PauloCereda Oh nothing for ducks. More for dodos.

@mickep ooh /dodo sounds

@JosephWright which nominal date does it use?

@UlrikeFischer 2022-11-01

@JosephWright Yeah. Trying to add more as we go along. There are still some rough edges (might have to ask you about a few things at some point) and having to run Biber so often takes its time, but I'm hoping we can detect issues more quickly and precisely.

How can I change the font size of math displayed in an array environment?

I am not sure where to issue the \tiny command, for example.

@barbarabeeton Emmanuel don't do it twitter.com/p4ndr_/status/1548017731936497665 (credit goes to @mickep)

@ComFreek What do you need \tiny for in math?

The thing I want to display in the array environment is too big (given the other stuff that's supposed to be on the Beamer slide).

@ComFreek \begin{smallmatrix} ? or \small before the math. In either case, pity the audience...

@JosephWright are you sure that you updated it? I see nothing in the commit.

@PauloCereda -- No bread! It's not good for ducks!

@barbarabeeton oh no

@PauloCereda I blame you:

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda -- Golly! I guess I should be glad that when I was introduced to an emu, all he did was stand on my feet while he was staring me in the face.

@barbarabeeton ooh

@PauloCereda I can already see some time next week at a certain presentation: "No, John, don't do it! John Cle-e-ese! Don't! Happy now? I'm trying to educate people.... etc."

@gusbrs :)

@PauloCereda I edited this answer to include the important stuff: tex.stackexchange.com/a/650434/105447 :-)

@gusbrs ooh

@gusbrs we really should adapt the size so that the \pageref is smaller @PauloCereda @PhelypeOleinik

@DavidCarlisle Regarding tex.stackexchange.com/q/651190/52406, do you know if there is a reason that an empty line in math mode is giving an error? It could just be ignored, I guess.

@UlrikeFischer indeed

@PauloCereda "Não contava com a minha astúcia!"

@UlrikeFischer Indeed, I'll take a look.

@PauloCereda Oh!

@gusbrs it is not difficult, currently it is a fix 0.8cm, but it could use 1em instead. Only someone has to implement it.

@UlrikeFischer we might need a silly interface :)

@mickep it could be ignored if you had \suppressmathparerror :-)

@UlrikeFischer Ah! It's fixed at the "includegraphics" level? I thought I could arrange something with a \tiny in the reference formatting, but if that's the case, I'd really need more handles.

@DavidCarlisle Ohh, and are there any bad consequences? I could not come up with any, but I'm sure there are, since that is not set by default.

@gusbrs yes, it is in an internal command \silly@height. We have already been discussing to change that.

@mickep -- This is the reason that a blank line in math is an error, as I know it. A blank line is a paragraph break. DEK, in his writings, never intends to have a paragraph break in math, but he would occasionally accidentally leave a blank line. When running TeX interactively one can make an immediate correction, which would allow a job to continue. Hence, make such corrections obligatory.

@mickep $$ again, as open and close easy to get out of sync, you wait all night for your output and find whole doc trashed, this limits error to a paragraph

@UlrikeFischer Ok, then, if the ~silly~ responsible maintainers implement it, let me know and I'll update the answer.

^^ "~silly~" was supposed to be strike-through, but I can't seem to be able to get the markup right...

@mickep not set in lualatex as it would be a distracting difference from other flavours. No possible other bad effects

@DavidCarlisle and @barbarabeeton Thanks, so today when we do not use $$ there is not a big drawback, unless we still work in interactive mode.

@gusbrs silly like this

@DavidCarlisle Three hyphens before and after, is that it? (It is too late to edit now...)

@gusbrs yes, or should I say no

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle Oh Thanks!

@DavidCarlisle Let's only hope I remember this next time I need it. ;)

@mickep -- Please test it thoroughly. I am not at all sure what other consequences may result, although I realize that lua/conTeXt math will otherwise be quite different from what DEK and Spivak (ams-TeX math) designed.

@DavidCarlisle I understand that completely.

@barbarabeeton Was that meant for @mickep? :)

@barbarabeeton Yes, empty lines are allowed in ConTeXt, and I have not seen any drawbacks. (That is partly why I asked.)

@gusbrs -- Yes, and I think I've corrected it, but my keyboard is acting really flaky. I'm taking it to be looked at tomorrow.

@barbarabeeton :)

@mickep -- Please also test in in-line math -- that was the reason for the initial design error.

@barbarabeeton Hm, ok I should try that more.

@barbarabeeton I am not sure there is anything to test really. If you have a par you get an error classically, and if the par is ignored, you don't.

@barbarabeeton so there is not really any input that you can test is not changed by the setting

@DavidCarlisle -- Okay, but it still looks quite peculiar in the input. I don't know about you, but I find neatly prepared input is easier to debug.

@barbarabeeton you can already in latex have blank lines in an array but not before or after one, which is a bit odd

@barbarabeeton It seems that they are just ignored.

(I agree that it probably looks weird most times in inline, but in displayed formulas, I think the readability could be improved.)

@barbarabeeton why are these blank lines OK and others deserve an error?

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{amsmath}

\begin{document}

$
\begin{pmatrix}



 a&b\\

c

&

d

\end{pmatrix}
$

\end{document}

@mickep -- Okay. How does a person preparing input specify a paragraph break? (I'm quite lacking ConTeXt knowledge.)

@barbarabeeton only ignored in math

@barbarabeeton In context either with an empty line or \par (outside math). Inside math, both are ignored it seems.

@DavidCarlisle -- Yes, only ignored in math by the computer. I would get a headache trying to figure out where in the file something was located.

@DavidCarlisle Ohh, that is beautiful input. <3

@mickep -- Thanks. (Nonetheless, from long practice, I would find that very confusing. Maybe okay for a newbie, but I will quit trying to help with debugging.)

@mickep I realise as a context user you are more used to a style with fewer blank lines

@mickep -- Maybe, like mathematics itself I have a different concept of "beauty".

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RrhC?yLRurtKFeLPFovPgaTLtReRomL;PABB71 72,73:Fjif.73.jelse
B73:jfiXF71PU71 72,73:PWs;AMM71F71diPAJJFRdriPAQQFRsreLPAI
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@barbarabeeton Interesting. I find it more confusing with the question that started this discussion, where the user did not even know he/she got an error from the empty line.

@barbarabeeton I was ironic. :)

@DavidCarlisle That is dense and good! :)

@mickep -- If I remember correctly, that user failed to look at the log. Which is something that really should be taught up front.

@barbarabeeton I agree with that. I've heard the error handling is/will be improved at overleaf. But maybe they have too many users that are afraid of logs and error messages, so I don't know.

@mickep -- I think many potential users come to (x)TeX expecting it to be WYSIWYG. If one is used to WYSIWYG, it can be made to work. (Although I can't, because emacs and TeX are in my fingers.) That's the mindset that needs to be overcome. And some people just can't do it; in such a case, it's futile (and not worth the effort) to try to overcome that.

@barbarabeeton I agree that it is about mindsets.

WYSIWYOAC = what you see is what you ooh a cookie

@PauloCereda The duck mindset.

@mickep quack :)

@PauloCereda WYSIdinner

@DavidCarlisle WYSIDIM What You See Is David Is Mean

@CarLaTeX what a crazy suggestion

@DavidCarlisle WACS?

@DavidCarlisle oh no