TeX, LaTeX and Friends

user202729

02:34

Thinking a little more about \cs_generate_variant:Nn allow second argument to have some missing elements... it doesn't actually change the performance, does it?

\cs_generate_variant:Nn implementation must be smart enough to parse the suffix and strip the redundant components

CarLaTeX

07:12

@JosephWright Are all the answers of a community wiki automatically set to community wikis? If this is the case, could you please leave out the community wiki flag from tex.stackexchange.com/questions/620788/…? Otherwise, the bounty is useless. Thank you!

Joseph Wright

@CarLaTeX Yes, that's rather the point :)

@CarLaTeX Bounties are fundamentally about 'promoting' questions - the rep that an answer might or might not get is not the main point. That said, I'm happy to remove the wiki

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright Sorry, I didn't know that when I asked you to set the question community wiki. I think it's correct to reward who answered, thank you

Joseph Wright

@CarLaTeX I've de-wikied

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright Thank you very much

Joseph Wright

08:19

So, we all enjoying the new mod regime?

I had a vision of waking up to no flags @Werner ;)

Later

Hello. How can I typeset the following:

Joseph Wright

@Later You'll need to pick the right font

Later

What font(s)?

I need lowercase script letters.

lowercase of Raph Smith’s Formal Script

What should I do? I am a novice.

Skillmon

08:47

@JosephWright the algorithm can be found in "Algorithm Design: Pearson New International Ed" by J. Kleinberg, section 6.3 "Segmented Least Squares: Multi-way Choices" (a scan as PDF can be found online)

Paulo Cereda

Yesterday, vim celebrated 30 years

yo'

Hi @JosephWright, please, any idea if this is intentional? :) overleaf.com/2368685193pdjwfmzdpckr #siunitx #color #optionclash

Joseph Wright

@yo' I load color in siunitx v3

yo'

@JosephWright ok, good to know :)

Joseph Wright

@yo' In v2 it was left to the user to load color, but that meant that things were a bit odd as \color didn't always apply in units

samcarter

09:07

@PauloCereda good oath -- I'm on my way to follow :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh :)

Skillmon

@PauloCereda missing R!

samcarter

@PauloCereda yeah, I briefly considered getting them, but after reading a couple of reviews, I decided to rather spend the time to change the hard drive.

Skillmon

@PauloCereda since I keep a Windows machine around, I still use NTFS on one. But for anything else BTRFS is the way (or ext4).

samcarter

@CarLaTeX Thanks a lot for your Halloween question, it made me discover youtube.com/c/TalkMathWithYourFriends/videos :)

Paulo Cereda

09:10

@Skillmon oopsie :) I realised that too late, so I could not edit. :)

@Skillmon ooh another happy BTRFS user :)

CarLaTeX

09:29

@samcarter I didn't know about it as well

samcarter

09:40

twitter.com/ddoomen/status/1455455799069773828

user202729

\begin{rant}
• When people say they're "not skilled enough to fix the code" most of the time it's "did not try hard enough"
• On the other hand, my general feeling is that most answers here are code-only (plus possibly the screenshot of the result, but the most important part -- code explanation -- is missing)
→ but perhaps it's not that bad, it's mostly "search for \usepackage in the answers, lookup the packages on CTAN, read the documentation to see what it does, manually resolve the `\expandafter` (ugh) ... as long as you know you need to do that, but it's not at all obvious.

Is there any vim plugin or something similar to automatically add necessary \cs_generate_variant:Nn to the source code?

Joseph Wright

@user202729 \end{rant} ;)

@user202729 Seems unlikely - there are not very many expl3 users, and even fewer when one intersects with vim users

@user202729 A lot of our questions are from non-experts who want a solution to a 'local' issue - as @DavidCarlisle says, most of the answers could be summarised as 'read the documentation', but that would not be so helpful ;)

@user202729 I suspect not many people are familiar with pyluatex (certainly I'm not)

Faheem Mitha

10:20

From a little experimentation is seems that the LaTeX command, at least here on Debian, writes everything to standard output. In my case, it's lualatex.

Are there any circumstances in which it will write to standard error?

On a related note, when Lua errors out, lualatex obediently comes to a screeching halt. I could dig into the documentation to find out how that is accomplished, but perhaps someone here could just summarise what mechanism is used for that?

David Carlisle

10:38

@FaheemMitha not sure what you mean, a lua error normally ends up essentially as a tex error or more exactly like a fileio error

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Well, I don't even really know what a tex error is, but OK.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I mean like \kajscjcvaj undefined command

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I see.

To return to my earlier question, does lualatex (for example) ever write to standard error?

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha from Lua certainly you can write to stderr

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle So if the Lua backend is writing to stderr, will that get sent to stderr from TeX?

David Carlisle

10:42

@FaheemMitha I don't see how it could do otherwise although I haven't checked

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle OK.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I think classic web tex sources only write to stdout but I see some fprintf to stderr in the web2c system specific file handling so I think you may be able to get stderr output by trying to do something illegal with files.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle I see. Thank you. And possibly Lua could make TeX write to stderr?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha TeX does what it always has; as @DavidCarlisle says, you've have to write from Lua

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha well yes you could redefine \write and pass it to lua to do whatever. That is already done by the shellesc package to implement \write18 shell escape which is not natively supported by luatex

Faheem Mitha

10:54

@JosephWright I was specifically referring to the Lua backend that is called by TeX.

Just to be clear.

user202729

11:15

Well regarding this, what I mean is...

"read the documentation" → not helpful at all
"you can use the titlesec and xcolor package." → a little helpful, as long as the package documentation is short enough
"you can use `\titleformat` command in titlesec package, put a macro at the end to absorb the section text, then put it in a `\colorbox` in `xcolor` package" → best
"<20 lines of code>" → worse

On the other hand I definitely can edit answers here, perhaps I'll do that when I come across one

David Carlisle

@user202729 I'd agree just 20 lines of code is bad but often 1 line of text followed by 20 lines of code is a perfectly reasonable answer. tex is highly context sensitive so just as a question here is almost always improved by having a complete test document not just a fragment, it is usually simpler/better to demonstrate the code with a running example rather than describing it in words.

yo'

11:37

@JosephWright I always wonder if there is a mechanism for "load color unless someone will load it later", possibly using the ~~hacks~~ hooks

David Carlisle

@yo' \AtBeginDocument{\usepackage{color}} ?

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yo'

@DavidCarlisle possibly? But I'm not the expert on the hooks, so I can safely blame @JosephWright :-)

David Carlisle

@yo' but that's an original hook been there since the start of 2e (possibly I added it, can't remember) so you'd need to blame @UlrikeFischer

@daleif did you see github.com/LaTeX-Package-Repositories/pwilson ?

yo'

@DavidCarlisle nah nah, that's an siunitx v3 issue obviously. I know whom I'm blaming :-D

daleif

@DavidCarlisle nope, thanks. I'm not doing much in latex these days

David Carlisle

11:44

@yo' oh I didn't notice the original comment with the siunitx context. OK the important point with any color package issue is not to blame me.

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle The 'about' in that page should be 'The "P" is silent'

David Carlisle

@daleif you mean memoir may end up in that home for lost packages in the end as well? :-)

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik ooh like pshrimp

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda YES!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda pdinner

Paulo Cereda

11:58

@DavidCarlisle oh pno

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you should advertise your important overleaf announcement here. @yo' announces unimportant things like a tl2021 rollout so your important video must be worth a mention

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

daleif

@DavidCarlisle hope not. But I haven't worked as much on it as I'd hoped

David Carlisle

@daleif yes I know that feeling:-)

Joseph Wright

12:43

@DavidCarlisle Sorting it now

@user202729 Like @DavidCarlisle says, you need the demo to show the fix working - often users need that to get their files going

@yo' Sorting it now: @samcarter will be pleased ;)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh more version numbers :)

samcarter

@JosephWright yeah!

Joseph Wright

12:58

@samcarter I have Frank after me as well, but that's a more tricky thing and will have to wait at least today

yo'

@JosephWright cool :)

Joseph Wright

@yo' Upload as soon as the test files are done

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright bah who needs testing :)

yo'

@JosephWright might be one we'll consider updating in our docker images

samcarter

@JosephWright An ~~apple~~ siunitx update a day keeps the doctor away :)

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Paulo Cereda

13:07

May 21 at 17:35, by Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright a release a day keeps the longtable man away. :)

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samcarter

@PauloCereda :)

Joseph Wright

@yo' Sure

@yo' Almost ready to go

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ducks are good at releasing updates

VScode_fanboy

13:31

Anyone can a lend a hand for adding proper and/or pleasant formatting of this:

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A: LaTex in websites

It is done with MathJax - there is a tag for it; mathjax. It is a JavaScript display engine for mathematics that works in all browsers. right-click the equations and you should see about MathJax and Help. You can see the notation by right-click the equation and then show math as then tex commands...

David Carlisle

@VScode_fanboy formatting the site under discussion, or formating your answer? (the question is off topic really)

VScode_fanboy

13:57

@DavidCarlisle My answer, that's why I added this :

David Carlisle

14:20

@VScode_fanboy ah you just now added some section headings:-)

samcarter

... does anybody understand why there are 3 different first answer reviews for this post? Maybe because it was edited multiple times?

David Carlisle

@VScode_fanboy as the question is closed it won't really come up in searches much so I wouldn't spend too long on answer formatting

samcarter

@VScode_fanboy The tag is not wrong. Tags are manly useful to categorise posts and to bring experts and posts together. It does not matter what the OP knows or does not know. That's why everyone can improve tags.

Joseph Wright

@samcarter Very true

David Carlisle

14:39

@VScode_fanboy see tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/272/…

VScode_fanboy

14:55

@DavidCarlisle OK.

@samcarter Not really, I didn't say the tag is wrong, I said adding the tag and closing the question right around is wrong.

samcarter

@VScode_fanboy "this is why the tag is wrong" can't be interpreted in many different ways. Anyway: also closing and adding the tag were correct.

VScode_fanboy

@samcarter I actually get it now... sorry......

samcarter

@VScode_fanboy Can you clean up your comments below the question a bit? Some of them sound pretty harsh...

Joseph Wright

@samcarter Mod hammer

samcarter

@JosephWright This one acc-cdn.azureedge.net/mrlnop420media/… ?

@JosephWright Thanks!

Joseph Wright

15:24

cen.acs.org/research-integrity/ethics/…

Alan Munn

15:35

@JosephWright The most dangerous thing I ever cook up is atrociously ungrammatical sentences.

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Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn I look forward to seeing if the second chap claims that the now-acquitted guy did all the cooking

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes, it clearly looks like that was the strategy.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Indeed: I guess the prosecutors wanted to try them both at the same time to avoid this

From another article:

> According to the defense, Rowland, at one time, suggested starting a “Breaking Bad” themed course at Henderson. Bateman supposedly shot down the idea on the grounds that the show featured “antiquated” methods and that it would be equivalent to “Nazi meth.”

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Right. And defence lawyers will always try to separate the cases if they can. Because it can often lead to doubt on both sides, if it's mainly a 'he said/he said' situation without a lot of other evidence.

Joseph Wright

15:39

@AlanMunn Yup

Alan Munn

@JosephWright It's really funny as a non-chemist to read the article describing their being charged. "they usually end up with the racemate—a 50/50 mixture of stereoisomers. Half of the material is the stimulant and controlled substance methamphetamine and the other half is a common decongestant.” “It’s a less elegant synthesis,” Trippier says. “Obviously whoever is making this on the street doesn’t really care about the enantioselectivity of the reaction."

Not your average newspaper report. :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn :)

@AlanMunn To me that makes perfect sense - I'm guessing other people are thinking 'what the hell'

Alan Munn

@JosephWright I only have the vaguest understanding of it, and I have no idea what 'enantioselectivity' means.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Imagine we are talking about hands: we can tell left from right. Enatioselectivity means the reaction makes more left hands than right hands

egreg

@AlanMunn Maybe I can get incriminated because I sometimes present fake proofs.

Joseph Wright

15:45

@egreg :)

@egreg We are looking at some reactions with elemental phosphorus ...

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Wow that's a really nice analogy.

Joseph Wright

On a small scale, of course

@AlanMunn :)

egreg

@JosephWright As far as I know, you need to be very careful!

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn It's pretty much how we teach it

@egreg Er, yes: that's the plan, more or less

@egreg My research assistant and I both have some experience with this, luckily

samcarter

@AlanMunn It would be a funny if something like a world wide pandemic would make the decongestant the more valuable product :)

Alan Munn

15:48

@JosephWright I kind of figured that that's what is probably meant since I understand the basics of stereoisomers, but the word itself wasn't really parseable.

egreg

@JosephWright VVVV

Reaction of Oxygen with Phosphorus

►

Joseph Wright

In other news, we have a briefing about exam setup: just had a slide about version control ...

... which means of course making copies of files with names including 'v1', etc.

@egreg When I tried that, it was ... less exciting

David Carlisle

@egreg boo it didn't destroy the glass, they should have added more.

samcarter

@JosephWright the naming scheme zzz_final, zzz_final2 etc is much better :)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle It's a demo I've thought about running, but it's not easy to pull off in reality (and getting the starting material is tricky)

Alan Munn

15:53

@JosephWright Many years ago when I was in high school, a friend and I made a big batch of nitrogen triiodide so much that our teacher had to call the fire department to dispose of it. Oops.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Ooops!!

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Indeed. It's loads of fun in small amounts, but we went a bit overboard.

Faheem Mitha

16:25

I've never watched "Breaking Bad". Is it as inaccurate as everything else made by Hollywood?

Really, inaccurate is overly polite. Perhaps pure fantasy would be more accurate.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha I watched the first season: it wound me up no end, and I gave up

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright "Wound me up"? Oh yes, I keep forgetting you're a chemist.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Yes, that was part of it, but it was also just not that good

Faheem Mitha

I was just watching a show called "The Rookie" on Amazon Prime. I don't know anything about police work, but the whole thing was manifestly absurd.

Joseph Wright

Joys from our exam breifing:

Faheem Mitha

16:29

@JosephWright OK. Well, I don't find the idea of a chemistry professor turning drug kingpin that appealing, but I heard lots of rave reviews.

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Almost guaranteed to lead to diminished readability.

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright So was it not very accurate, from a chemistry point of view?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Not massively, no

@AlanMunn It's supposed to help with accessibility

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn yes but only the chemistry bits. the important math content you can write more clearly, so that's OK.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright The next paragraph then says avoid subscripts and footnotes?

Pablo González L

16:32

@PauloCereda That's great :D ...how's the startup? $ systemd-analyze

Alan Munn

@JosephWright One nice thing about the N. American system is that we have free rein over that sort of thing. Although there is increased pressure towards producing accessible documents, which although I'm in favour of, much of seems to be a kind of "surface" accessibility, i.e., passing some minimal test rather than really addressing the issue.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer No, we didn't get that

Faheem Mitha

BTW, this week is the festival of Diwali. Which nobody outside India cares about. Except Indians outside India, I suppose. But here it is a big deal.

Paulo Cereda

@PabloGonzálezL will you stop that :D

Faheem Mitha

So Happy Diwali, for what it is worth.

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Joseph Wright

16:33

@AlanMunn My concern too: we get told to add alt text to images, etc., but the check doesn't know if it's usable

@UlrikeFischer WE do get told to rename our files properly for version control :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Jejeje

@PauloCereda $ dmesg | grep error
[ 3.682360] iwlwifi 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-cc-a0-64.ucode failed with error -2

:(

yo'

@FaheemMitha is it the festival of light?

Paulo Cereda

@PabloGonzálezL pretty much the same time from before. :) But F35 is really cool. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I saw that earlier. The horror for support.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Huh?

Pablo González L

16:35

@PauloCereda It's much more polished than previous versions...I really love fedora :)

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer It's all on SharePoint so we should be able to roll back anyway if we have to

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes, for example. For linguistics, it's really complicated because a lot of our examples consist of two or more lines of text that are lined up word by word. But making that accessible can't just be reading each line in succession, since the first line is non-Engish, either in regular script or IPA, and the second has lots of annotation. But we read them in pairs.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright did you ever tried to help someone who constantly renames files?

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Ah, yes, I can see that

@UlrikeFischer I see what you are getting at :)

Faheem Mitha

@yo' Indeed, yes. The Festival of Lights. With particular relevance to Hindu Mythology. Though don't go calling it Mythology in front of Indians.

Alan Munn

16:37

@UlrikeFischer our_fantastic_article.final.final.final.final ?

yo'

@FaheemMitha yeah, then I think it's followed in Malaysia too

Faheem Mitha

From Wikipedia:

> Diwali symbolizes the spiritual "victory of light over darkness, good over evil, and knowledge over ignorance".

Alan Munn

@FaheemMitha Sorely needed right now.

Faheem Mitha

@AlanMunn Indeed.

Alan Munn

@FaheemMitha Not that I'm optimistic though.

Faheem Mitha

16:38

@AlanMunn Me neither.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn The thing I did notice is we (LaTeX) do need to worry about the 'appearance' of accessibility, as it does 'look right' from Word to a first approximation

Ulrike Fischer

@AlanMunn the problem is more that there are diss-final and diss-after-correction and diss-for-book and then you wonder which one is actually the last one that one should correct. And then they never delete something.

Faheem Mitha

@AlanMunn Disappointed not to be mod? Or relieved? :-) Or a little of both?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Our files are managed by admin staff, and at least in my department they tend to get this right

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Exactly. It's very frustrating. Because the accessible documents that pass the tests are really just surface level accessibility.

Joseph Wright

16:39

(Our lead support person is an ex-programmer who moved into other things)

Alan Munn

@UlrikeFischer My dissertation (in Word) ended up as "WholeDamnThingFinal.doc". :)

Paulo Cereda

@PabloGonzálezL Fedora is awesome. :)

Alan Munn

@UlrikeFischer It now exists only in a 2up PDF, because the original document is unusable by modern Word.

Paulo Cereda

@PabloGonzálezL in other news, I am still forbidden to send anything to Chile :(

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Mine is also in Word, Thesis Final.doc, still opens fine - I must be lucky :)

@AlanMunn I made a PDF when my awarding body were setting up an archive - the 'official' version is of the dead-trees variety

Alan Munn

16:43

@FaheemMitha Maybe a bit of both. I would have been happy to win, but Werner be a fine mod, so in the end I just dodged a bit of extra responsibility.

@JosephWright Not lucky, just younger. :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn I never ask anyone on the Internet their age ;)

@AlanMunn winword.exe or real word.exe?

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes there's a printed version of mine somewhere in the U Maryland library I suppose.

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda :(

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright do we have some public support for color stacks in expl3? Or is it all internal?

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Word for Mac v.5. The best version of Word ever created I think. It all went to hell after they merged the Windows and Mac development.

Joseph Wright

16:45

@AlanMunn Ah, right

@UlrikeFischer Internal as it's only needed for colour and transparency at the moment

Paulo Cereda

My thesis wouldn't survive one page in Word. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Markus asked me as he uses color stacks in one of his packages and want to extend the xelatex support.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer It's all \__kernel_color...

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I can't find an ibm golfball driver for Word or latex :(

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer One for a mail?

@DavidCarlisle :)

@AlanMunn Ah, the older .doc format

Alan Munn

16:47

@DavidCarlisle What about using a putter instead?

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn You never used word.exe, clearly: that was weird

Well, like WordStar I guess

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You could finally get a nicer pen for your wife. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I have wondered about OCR the drafts but never really had the motivation

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh an Obsolete Card Reader

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Which package? We can I guess look to extend the support (or have another go in xetex.def now I think I've fixed it)

Ulrike Fischer

16:53

@JosephWright scrlayer-notecolumn. It is not very urgent, but there was a discussion about transparent in the german group and I mentioned that xetex has color stacks now and so he ask about the status.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer We probably should just add to xetex.def for 'classical' usage

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I think what he needs are the commands to setup and use a new stack.

Werner

@JosephWright Yeah, well, yeah... I did handle some.

:)

Some of the content can be handled by the community though. I'm just dipping my toes into the lukewarm pool. :D

Joseph Wright

17:09

@UlrikeFischer Can be done using an updated xetex.def, or we make the transparency code in expl3 more usable

@Werner Cool

@Werner Could you see if the First Answer review queue stats work for you - there are a couple of flags that need that info, and I can't get at it

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I told him now he should contact you if he need something.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Great

@UlrikeFischer Because I am Backend Man?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright and Color Man ;-).

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer As @DavidCarlisle is grey?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright monochrome! only grey is boring.

Joseph Wright

17:24

@Werner All true: I guess as we have only a few flags, we have traditionally just 'got on with it'

Werner

@JosephWright Yeah. Dealing with some now.

@JosephWright I'll check...

Joseph Wright

@Werner Thanks: I've been meaning to ask @StefanKottwitz too as this one has been sitting and I can't get at the info

Werner

@JosephWright I can see "Advanced stats" for all the queues, yes.

Joseph Wright

@Werner Cool - I'll leave those two flag to you then :)

Werner

@JosephWright I need to learn quickly how to give my answers here... :-/

Paulo Cereda

17:35

@barbarabeeton brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2021/11/…

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Werner

@DavidCarlisle Thanks @DavidCarlisle.

barbara beeton

18:25

@samcarter -- Somehow, for a decongestant, I would prefer wasabi to meth.

barbara beeton

18:39

@FaheemMitha -- We have a reservation at our favorite local Indian restaurant (Rasoi). They always have a fine selection of delectable goodies to celebrate.

barbara beeton

19:02

@PauloCereda -- Neat! Thanks for finding this.

Werner

19:20

@JosephWright: When I cast a vote-to-close, is it binding as a mod (and therefore closed immediately), or does it still land in the review queue?

Queue... what a weird word. It's the letter Q with four silent vowels. :-|

Joseph Wright

@Werner Mod votes are binding

@Werner It's a reason that as mods @StefanKottwitz and I can't (easily) get a couple of badges

Paulo Cereda

@Werner empty -> mpty -> mpt -> mt :)

Joseph Wright

@Werner It's like having a gold badge on everything (although the gold badge business came later) - I've had this for 10+ years so I guess I'm used to a totally different way of thinking about voting

Skillmon

@JosephWright golden hammer on everything?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon golden ticket :)

Skillmon

19:33

oh, and before I forget: Congratulations, @Werner!

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Yes, that's one way of thinking about it

Skillmon

@PauloCereda for the chocolate factory?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Like I said, it's the other way round - golden hammer came much later than mod powers

Skillmon

@JosephWright but as a simple user, I see golden hammer much more frequently.

samcarter

19:42

@barbarabeeton Can you get some prescription for sushi from your doctor to combine it with? :)

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Yes

@Skillmon All I mean is that when it came in, it was 'welcome to my world', except I don't have to think about which tags are set

@Werner First thing you find out :)

samcarter

@JosephWright I don't think that is a problem, doesn't @Werner already have all badges? :)

Werner

@Skillmon Thanks @Skillmon.

@JosephWright Well, I'm pretty comfortable with the setup, since I've made some binding close votes in the past (due to gold badges). Was just wondering if that holds for all options of closure (even "opinion-based").

@samcarter That's Mr No Question @egreg.

barbara beeton

@samcarter -- don't actually need a prescription. Had some last night, in fact. And more is in our plans for celebrating our anniversary in a few weeks. (Providence is such a great foodie town -- one of the local colleges is a major culinary school, and quite a few graduates stick around. Some of them even go back to teach.)

Joseph Wright

@Werner All the things

@Werner As a mod, everything is binding: closing, opening, ...

@Werner Zapping comments

@Werner I think ... Dr No Question ;)

samcarter

20:08

@Werner :)

@barbarabeeton sounds like heaven for every gourmet!

Faheem Mitha

@barbarabeeton So you celebrate Diwali?

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright Prof. No Question

Joseph Wright

@CarLaTeX Well yes, but ... Prof. is a job title, Dr is a personal one ;)

barbara beeton

@CarLaTeX -- I guess you might say we take advantage of others, who really do understand the traditions, to appreciate their celebration. We've always been made most welcome.

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright Interesting difference. In Italy Dr is a graduate, Prof is a teacher

@barbarabeeton Sorry, I don't understand your comment

barbara beeton

20:22

@CarLaTeX -- The meaning is that Dewali is not the tradition we grew up with (both of us were brought up in the Protestant Christian tradition), but we respect other traditions, and when we are welcomed to join celebrations of such important traditions, we are happy to join in.

CarLaTeX

@barbarabeeton I don't know what Dewali is. Maybe you wanted to answer to @FaheemMitha

barbara beeton

@CarLaTeX -- Oh. I really did mean to answer @FaheemMitha and didn't realize that the mouse slipped. (The mouse has been doing that. I shall have to chastise it, and watch more carefully.) As for Dewali, it is the feast of light, celebrated at the time of year when the days are shortest, and light is most appreciated.

CarLaTeX

@barbarabeeton Don't worry :) I learned a new thing

Ulrike Fischer

21:47

@DavidCarlisle did we want to take over soul? I found a discussion in april but don't remember what should happen.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I pulled it in to ho-tex ages ago just in case but I can't recall what the status is really, are you in contact with the author?

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle no. And on ctan he is noted as inactiv.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer oh should probably put it in latex-package-repos then...

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle well currently it is together with soulutf8. Should that stay or do you want to split it?

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes I was just looking, leave it with soulutf8 but tell ctan?

Ulrike Fischer

22:00

@DavidCarlisle then we would always upload them together? ok with me.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer although would we merge on ctan (or for that matter merge the packages)

@UlrikeFischer are there any cases where soul works and soulutf8 doesn't?

@UlrikeFischer tempted to just have soul and soulutf8 as a legacy stub

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I don't know. I tried the obvious ansinew test, but didn't get an error.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer will look later, Heiko's documentatikn seems to imply that it's expected to be a tempiorary package until soul updated for utf8 so my guess is that should work out. I'll do a master/main on the sould repo while thinking about it...

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle yes, it would be imho worth to try. The only question is how to organize it as soulutf8 loads soul currently.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer issue from me github.com/drehscheibe/soul/issues

Ulrike Fischer

22:15

@DavidCarlisle and there is a second one about wrong count usage. Perhaps one should first change soul.dtx to handle this two and then rearrange.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer meanwhile github.com/drehscheibe/soul/issues/4

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle the title should perhaps say "soulutf8" :)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer done

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle perhaps you will even get an answer. There was a bit activity in october.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes I checked that first:-)

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