@DavidCarlisle Maybe you want to help out here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/576252

This question was closed as the answers were already existing: tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8875/…. But this question has something new it is this: davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi

@VScode_fanboy sure but the question is a duplicate so the site process, if you want an answer referring to the texlive.net server, is to post an answer at the originl aquestion)

@Dr.ManuelKuehner not a lot to add really, other than I don't think it was last updated in 2020 in any real sense the code hasn't really changed since the early 1990s.

Oh nice, ccref is now on ctan!

@PauloCereda images.nordbayern.de/image/contentid/…

@DavidCarlisle How's it a duplicate: the first question does not say any example to implement, it just asks "can we implement this feature?", the second question - closed as a duplicate - refer to the TeXLive, it asks "can we implement TeXLive specifically?" As of my reading, no one have given a answer to whether they would implement TeXLive...

@DavidCarlisle If I am correct the responses to the question asked first includes stuff about this being hard to implement. Might they haven't considered TeXLive?

Arg! Test suite is failing, and the build system was changed and now I have no idea where to find the logs to see what exactly is failing :(

@DavidCarlisle PS: I do not want the question reopened; just need to know the status of TeXLive implementabilty.

Ahh, was a missing script issue in my browser :)

@DavidCarlisle Maybe they have some server problems: tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8875/… But worth noting of this argument :)

@samcarter ooh

@VScode_fanboy who is "they" and which problems on which server do you mean?

@VScode_fanboy I don't see it's any different, the first question asks if theer can be a button that runs tex (that necessarily involves using a server to run tex) the closed duplicate asks the same but mentions one particular server that is implemented.

@VScode_fanboy The company did not even care to help repair when they broke thousands of posts on tex.se - I think it is highly unlikely that they will put any dev time to create new features for only a single site which does not even produce money for them

@samcarter When did they break thousands of posts on TeX SE?

@FaheemMitha a few years back they changes every \\ to \ on the whole site. We had to fix them...

@samcarter they did send me a mug for my trouble:-)

@DavidCarlisle yes, but to compensate for this huge expense, they did not sent anything for 100k

@samcarter I got a mail a few days ago that I can get something for 100k.

@UlrikeFischer When did you reach 100k, sometime in 2016 or 2017? In this case, I just wait another couple of years :)

@samcarter no idea. They seem to work back, I got first a shirt and a mug for 250k.

@UlrikeFischer :) interesting tactic

@DavidCarlisle they = SE, problems = tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8875/…

@DavidCarlisle noted

@UlrikeFischer yay

@VScode_fanboy There's still the question of changes due to packages, though I agree a setup using @DavidCarlisle's texlive.net would be cool. We would need the Powers to put their hand it their pocket I suspect

@samcarter Oh this? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59497468#59497468

@VScode_fanboy yes

@samcarter noted

@JosephWright to what message are you re[lying?

@DavidCarlisle What, manually? All of them?

@FaheemMitha you can read up on the semi-manual fixing process at tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7317/…

@samcarter That sounds awful.

@FaheemMitha not really manually especially for the last few tens of thousands after we had the javascript version, but still via the web front end they didn't give us any back end access. So an edit that could have taken a few seconds took a couple of weeks

@DavidCarlisle Still awful. And very inconsiderate.

@VScode_fanboy but that's not a problem with a server, they just don't have any such server. If they allow tex to run, why not C# as in your original link, of C or go or any other language, where would it end?

@UlrikeFischer I'm currently in a zoom meeting with the big brother of Bär :)

ooh an anti-faxxer

Where is the latter macro defined?

\NewDocumentCommand { \getstored } { O{-1} m }
  { \__scontents_getstored_internal:nn {#1} {#2} }

I can't find it anywhere in the file (although I guess it's possible to \meaning it)

In scontents.sty)

(although that's not my actual question)

The actual issue is "how can I store the verbatim content of an environment into a variable"

I think I did ask this once in chat but did not get much good answer. Get away with verbatimout that time

@user202729 It's line 3494 in the .dtx

Hm okay, I guess it's in the source code

I tried to grep in the resulting compiled

Actually it's because I grepped in the folder with the sty only. The code is in a tex file

@user202729 Looks that way: I think some kind of generic loader?

@samcarter -- That duck does not look happy being wet from the top.

@barbarabeeton I thought the duck looks just very aerodynamic -- for maximum speed and fuel efficiency :)

@FaheemMitha -- Mostly manually. I still come across a few now and then. It was a horror show

@samcarter -- Well, that's true. Like a speed skater. Maybe the expression is just ultra-concentration.

@barbarabeeton you do? you shouldn't if we got the SEDE searches correct (if you find one can you ping me)

@DavidCarlisle -- The last time I saw one was probably at least six months ago. And it was in code that wasn't well formatted to begin with. Your script was excellent, but maybe .001% less than perfect. I'll be sure to ping you if I find another one, but please don't hold your breath. Blue is still monochrome, but not quite the same.

@samcarter halloween was yesterday

@DavidCarlisle you could prepare a costume for next year :)

@barbarabeeton I can imagine. Like I said already, awful. Sorry you folks had to deal with that.

@PauloCereda twitch.tv/dashducks

Blame @UlrikeFischer for cutwin seems to be working already.

@DavidCarlisle ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks! The ctan website stated 2020 as last updated. I did not look into the changelog etc.

@Dr.ManuelKuehner yes I probably did something, but I can't have done much:-)

@DavidCarlisle how do one rename a remote master to main?

@AlanMunn ooh

@UlrikeFischer you can rename it at the github gui (that's easiest)

@UlrikeFischer minitoc?

@DavidCarlisle yes but where in the gui? (attachfile2, I just merged the PR and thought I should also rename)

@UlrikeFischer ^^^ click on the branch then the pencil over to the right and the above dialog comes up (I'll do minitoc now)

@DavidCarlisle thanks I found it.

@UlrikeFischer didn't we do the ho-tex ones at the time, oops...

@DavidCarlisle seems not.

Can you read through the comments under tex.stackexchange.com/a/219228/250119 and check if all of them can be removed? To me it looks like it can. (to highlight my new comment which I believe contain some important information...)

Although is there a better way? It's like that from what I tested.

I don't see it being mentioned anywhere however

@UlrikeFischer my usual incantation seems to have worked in attachfile2 to switch the local branch name., we should probably do them all at some point.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but there are so many so perhaps not all at once ;-)

@user202729 nothing special about that library or luarocks, you need shell-escape to load any binary lua module

Yes I figured out the same

You need shell escape

Library or not

(took me way too long to figure out however, after figuring out cpath issue)

@UlrikeFischer yes i wondered which is more disruptive, just remembering to do each one as it is edited anyway or doint them all at once. It is easy to script the rename locally do do them all and it's probably possible to push the remote rename via a script as well rather than editing each by the gui (which I wouldn't propose)

So I wanted the other comments to be cleaned up (okay the answerer put it in the answer itself now, which is better)

@user202729 comments are intended to be discardable if you think that's important, then edit the answer to add it there

I mean

I don't know what's the policy here, but on SO answer edit are quite infrequent

if it adds new information

Not sure about here, but edit to answer is definitely better than a comment.

I tend to not read comments too

@user202729 well it's not very new (ie the answer assumed you knew that already) we tend to be fairly relaxed about most things here so if an edit is bad worst that will happen is that it'll get reverted you are not likely to be banned for life:-)

I don't have old versions but the author kind of imply that it's a new thing in new versions

By "new" I mean "information not available in author's answer"

So "conflict with answerer intent" and stuff, but good to know (that it's more \relaxed here *)

@DavidCarlisle really? Don't we hang them on chains in a dungeon?

@DavidCarlisle if you can do by script it is fine with me, but then give me the script too.

@UlrikeFischer I'll look later if you can script the remote side, otherwise it would be no fun. Should be possible I think/

@UlrikeFischer although first need to do xcolor this evening

@UlrikeFischer hmm looks like the pure git way is to delete the remote branch then push the renamed local branch upstream which gets git in the right state but won't redirect pull requests and other github level links, so seems better to do it in the gui github.blog/changelog/… in which case I suggest we just do it as needed.

@DavidCarlisle ok. I will do it as it come along.

ooh Doctor Who is back

@user202729 Huh?

@user202729 'Intent' is normally quite broadly drawn

I'm just saying that I'm more hesitant to edit stuff on stack overflow

@user202729 If the user seems to be active on the site, then it's still probably best to leave a comment (perhaps requesting an edit), which is what happened in this case. But edits aren't likely to get to you too much push back, although people might end up rewriting them if they don't like what you write.

With the recent change we don't get to see user's last login anymore. (although the activities on the site is indicative)

@user202729 Yes, that's an unfortunate side effect of the change, indeed.

@user202729 Speak for yourself ;)

@user202729 I can imagine!

@user202729 Provided people don't go mad (and flood the front page), edits here are not so much of an issue

I can't (usefully) edit that much anyway

@JosephWright mad people? Nonsense. /quack

Apparently people are not very motivated to edit. This question from 2010 has quite a lot of typos, and 8k views. But nobody bothered to take a few minutes to fix them.

@FaheemMitha I think by and large, if an answer is readable and the code works, typos don't really matter that much. I find it annoying to have lots of little edits showing up as happens when people get the editing bug and start editing lots of old questions in succession.

@AlanMunn I personally find typos irritating. It's probably a character defect. Or possibly OCD.

Anyway, I fix them when I see them. But in practice they don't seem to be that common on SE.

@FaheemMitha I see you're pointing to an SO question. Here I routinely edit questions for English if they're new. But I don't go hunting for them.

@AlanMunn I just happened across this one. I certainly don't hunt for them. How would one hunt for them, anyway?

I don't suppose there is a typo queue.

@FaheemMitha Oh you'd be surprised at the things people do for badges...

@AlanMunn Perhaps.

@FaheemMitha We haven't had such an editing spree lately, but there have been times when particular users seemed to be just on a badge hunt. It can be quite annoying if it floods the front page with old questions.

@AlanMunn Editing badge hunt?

@FaheemMitha Yes, there are a series of badges that promote editing ostensibly to help improve overall content quality and keep people such as yourself happy ;). But every so often a user will treat the badge as a goal in and of itself and do anything to get it.

@FaheemMitha One of the unintended consequences of gamification is the gamification of the gamification. :)

@AlanMunn Curious. Normally real life is enough to keep one busy.

@FaheemMitha Yes, one supposes. But if that were true, none of us would be here.

I thought people were supposed to expend their spare energy on video games. Or possibly the stock market.

@AlanMunn Well, SE is where I get my questions answered. It qualifies as real life, IMO.

@FaheemMitha Fair enough. But many of us probably have more than enough knowledge to survive our real life requirements. (Not to mention people like @DavidCarlisle who doesn't really use LaTeX at all.)

@AlanMunn Survive, possibly. But that's quite a low bar. I was surviving long before I met SE. :-)

@AlanMunn I suspect David of being a closet LaTeX user. When he thinks nobody is looking.

@AlanMunn So looking forward to (possibly) becoming a mod?

@FaheemMitha I was hoping percusse would win. :)

@AlanMunn That now seems unlikely.

@FaheemMitha True. Although he and I always agreed on issues relating to people trying to police others on the site. So if I'm elected I'll be like him with slightly less irreverence.

@AlanMunn Good to know. :-)

I'm not a fan of policing either. For example, I've never flagged a comment on SE, and probably never will. And I hardly ever downvote.

I'd make a terrible policeman, probably.

@AlanMunn -- I'm not on a badge hunt, but every once in a while I get really irritated with people tagging a text-alignment question with "align" which (here) is strictly math, and go on a cleanup spree, until I realize what it's doing to the front page. As for spelling edits, I do some of these occasionally, usually if there's a potentially searchable term misspelled in the title. But I notice a lot of edit checks in the "suggested edits" queue by newbies, probably trying to gain rep.

Actually, I always imagine professors being frantically busy, though I must say the ones that I knew in the US weren't. Often because they weren't doing their jobs.

Technical users usually have surprisingly good spelling. Typos aren't that common. And even most of the writing is quite reasonable quality. At least on SE.

Albert Einstein married his cousin Elsa. Even his marriage was relative.

@PauloCereda Oh my!

@JosephWright :)

@AlanMunn Would have been interesting

@PauloCereda I'm sure she was special, too.

@AlanMunn awww <3

As Albert Einstein once said, two things are infinite: the universe and the 40-day trial for WinRAR.

@JosephWright I saw Bruno closed #1007, but I thought such issues are only closed once the feature was released (might be my wrong understanding)

@Skillmon We only enforce that for the latex2e repo

@PhelypeOleinik beware the fate that @UlrikeFischer would wish on you:

@Skillmon What@PhelypeOleinik said, plus the release schedule for L3 is rather faster

@DavidCarlisle Oh no, I missed the memo about the chains. I was expecting only the dungeon

@PhelypeOleinik \usetikzlibrary{chains} :)

@samcarter \usetikzlibrary{lockpicking} :)

@samcarter what's a tikz library? \documentclass{article}\begin{document}\begin{picture}(100,100) \thicklines\put(0,2){\oval(70,20){}}\put(50,-2){\oval(70,20){}}\put(100,2){\oval(70,20){}}\put(150,-2){\oval(70,20){}}\end{picture}\end{document}