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6:59 AM
another day another language: learnlatex.org/ca
7:26 AM
@DavidCarlisle nice ;-). It is easier to read then the spanish, there is much more french-like words in it.
@UlrikeFischer I find the settings page particularly easy.
@DavidCarlisle I just switched from learnlatex.org/ca/privacy to german language and got a 404?
@UlrikeFischer Germans get no privacy it seems:
$ ls */privacy.md
ca/privacy.md  en/privacy.md  es/privacy.md  fr/privacy.md  pt/privacy.md  vi/privacy.md
@UlrikeFischer I will add stub english versions to all languages that haven't got one
@UlrikeFischer thanks should work now once the site rebuilds
@UlrikeFischer German words from you or @Skillmon would possibly be better:-)
7:51 AM
@DavidCarlisle I get a french privacy text from learnlatex.org/en/privacy ?
oops missed a permalink (will fix)
@UlrikeFischer fixed
@DavidCarlisle yes, works now.
8:19 AM
@JosephWright I guess we should put Catalan first in the language list if we are going for alphabetic order of english language names (or of language codes?)
8:47 AM
@DavidCarlisle Yes
9:04 AM
@DavidCarlisle meow
9:20 AM
Today I got a blue screen from plugging a newly acquired sd-card into the PC.
meanwhile my Linux laptop is running fine with the same sd-card plugged in.
9:53 AM
@PauloCereda 아침, 위키피디아에 따르면 한국에서 고양이를 먹는다
new packages on ctan: worldflags
10:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@UlrikeFischer ooh
@PauloCereda lots of work and nice flags, but the code does e.g. \def\hbar#1#2#3{
@UlrikeFischer Oh my
@JosephWright I'm writing the author. There is absolutly no need to use such command names, he could simply make them internal with a prefix.
@UlrikeFischer Yes, looks like almost everything is internal
10:51 AM
@JosephWright well he is documenting them for the creation of own flags, so there are meant as public. But one wonder why they don't check other usages in such cases.
11:17 AM
@UlrikeFischer oh my
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12:46 PM
@PauloCereda counter-ooh!
1:37 PM
@UlrikeFischer well, you can document \worldflag@hbar of course ... This is just plain bad.
2:24 PM
@UlrikeFischer you could suggest that the left most flag is improved a bit. Three parallel lines, shows no artistic effort compared to the other two.
@PauloCereda clearly I should blame you
Q: Como faço um índice de tabela usando que reconheça longtable?

SJSantosAo utilizar o \begin{longtable} para criação de uma tabela, a minha lista de tabela não reconhece, apenas reconhece \begin{table} %Inserir lista de tabelas \pdfbookmark[0]{\listtablename}{lot} \listoftables* \cleardoublepage

@DavidCarlisle Should we follow your example and just superimpose all 16 flags from the federal states?
@DavidCarlisle that's modern art, and not some overcrowded barock design.
@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 would be a plan
2:59 PM
@AlexG so you are not just a red square
@DavidCarlisle Obviously!
@AlexG You'd be amazed to find out @DavidCarlisle is sometimes not monochrome ;-)
@PhelypeOleinik But I cannot see him, only his (monochrome) initials.
@AlexG He's shy today :)
@PhelypeOleinik better?
3:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle a lot
@DavidCarlisle Oh, yes, I could barely recognize you before!
3:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
3:38 PM
@UlrikeFischer Does it come with a minitoc? :)
4:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle Send them to learnlatex?
4:57 PM
@JosephWright mind if I try translating that question or leave that be?
@PauloCereda Go for it
5:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright question translated. It is still not a good question, but at least you can see it in your own language. :)
Q: How do I come up with a LoT when using longtable?

SJSantosNote from Paulo: I translated the question from Portuguese to English and did some retagging. Some rewording was done, but the general idea (and code) remains the same. You can still find the original question in the edit history. When using the longtable environment to create a table, my list o...

@DavidCarlisle and I love how your Google Translate linguistic skills helped you write a spot-on comment. :)
5:42 PM
@AlexG I think I just got bitten by the ghostscript bug ... my dvips testfiles in the pdfresources all crashes.
6:24 PM
@PauloCereda Português é fácil, principalmente porque é uma mesa longa, então deve ser um erro do usuário, não um problema com o pacote.
@DavidCarlisle Aposto que em uma mesa longa cabem vários patos assados ;-)
@PhelypeOleinik Já estou com fome
@DavidCarlisle Não estou surpreso
@DavidCarlisle MESA?!
@PhelypeOleinik OH NO
@DavidCarlisle OH NO
@UlrikeFischer Has been fixed already in git :) bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703783
6:32 PM
@PauloCereda I propose we rename longtable.sty to mesalonga.sty
@PhelypeOleinik Seconded
@AlexG yes I saw it, but ...
@PhelypeOleinik mesalonga.est (estilo)
@PauloCereda todas as solicitações de recursos de relatórios de bug e outras consultas serão direcionadas à IoT.
@DavidCarlisle oh no
6:34 PM
@AlexG We'd need to do \def\@pkgextension{est}, but I guess that's not a big problem
@PauloCereda sk...
@DavidCarlisle bug reports? I thought there are only features?
@UlrikeFischer people send bug reports although as noted above (if you read Portuguese) that they are really user errors
@UlrikeFischer Still something wrong?
@AlexG well it is not in texlive, so my tests breaks.
6:37 PM
@UlrikeFischer On linux it is easy as bonjour. (Compilation)
@UlrikeFischer But the easiest would be downgrading to 9.53.3. You could ask Akira maybe?
@DavidCarlisle Ultimately this is caused by the OP not understanding that \foo[]{bar} is not identical to \foo{bar}.
@AlanMunn we should have made \begin{table}[] have its natural meaning of removing the table from the document, then people would have learned.
@DavidCarlisle lol
7:20 PM
@AlexG yes would be an idea.
@UlrikeFischer You could mention that the bug was fixed quite fast in the upstream, to put more emphasis in your request.
@UlrikeFischer If you wish, I could run one test or another for you with the Git version.
7:54 PM
@AlexG oh the tests are not really a problem, I can simply disable them, or accept that they fail. But everything that uses links fails too with the pdfmanagement. But I wrote now Akira, let's wait.
@UlrikeFischer Oh, then it is quite urgent to take some action. I ran some tests with the legacy hyperref and looked a bit into it's dvips driver backend. It doesn't seem affected. It only broke my pkgs :\.
8:14 PM
@AlexG I trust Akira ;-)
8:33 PM
@UlrikeFischer Btw, does AR/full Acrobat like BDC tags, whose associated dictionary is not inlined in the content stream, but is an indirect object that is mapped to and referenced by a /name?
(As in /Tag/Name BDC ... EMC)
8:49 PM
Can someone help me with a question please?
@AlexG it doesn't complain, the tagpdf docu works fine and the tagging is recognized.
@J.Power don't ask if you can ask:-)
I am looking for a Royal Society Inerface template and documentclass, anyone can tell me where or how to get it?
Please guys, anyone help
9:08 PM
@UlrikeFischer That's good. For OCGs (tag /OC) this is mandatory as the dict must be referencible by object number at other places. But I was unsure whether it is the case for accessibility-related tags too. In Ghostscript, for instance, the BDC pdfmark always creates an indirect object from the dict argument.
9:35 PM
@AlexG it is not mandatory, I could get away with inline dictionaries--the first versions of tagpdf used them--but I implemented that as part of the general pdf code, and so tagpdf has it too.
@AlexG Reinhard Kotucha has already downgraded ghostscript, and Akira will look at the new sources and then it will be upgraded again.
@UlrikeFischer Fine. However, the fixed GS has not been released yet.
@J.Power if the Royal Society do not provide one, there presumably isn't one.
9:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle, how was this done then: royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsif.2020.0881
@J.Power There's no way to know for sure. Journals use a variety of proprietary methods for publication.
@J.Power it was done with arbortext APP (usually known as its old name, 3B2) not with TeX,
@J.Power the properties says something about distiller and iText,
@UlrikeFischer Would you please test whether the OCG of this short example works if the PDF is produced with Distiller? Thank you!

@J.Power But they accept LaTeX submissions it seems: royalsociety.org/journals/authors/author-guidelines/#latex as long as you follow the general authors' guidelines I suppose. Most journals don't care about you formatting things in their final form. They just want something that minimizes their conversion if the paper is accepted.
@AlexG looks ok. The hello disappears and reappears.
@DavidCarlisle @J.Power They're very up to date too: "TeX files submitted must be generated using pdfTeX Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13, TeXLive 2012 or earlier versions."
@J.Power looks like they would accept article class anyway royalsociety.org/journals/authors/author-guidelines/#latex
@AlanMunn for the royal society 2012 is like yesterday
@DavidCarlisle True! Like New College, Oxford. :)
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn, thanks guys, but there is Tex templates for other journals in the royal society: overleaf.com/gallery/tagged/the-royal-society
10:07 PM
@UlrikeFischer Great! I wasn't sure whether the BDC pdfmark as implemented in Ghostscript also works the same way in Distiller. (It was me who contributed the BDC/EMC code to gs in 2014.)
@J.Power Just because someone created something to mimic their output doesn't mean that's what the journal wants you to submit. I would bet they don't.
@J.Power as far as I can see they are third party templates to make things look like the journal but if the journal is just going to take the tex source and re-set in using APP it doesn't matter much what the manuscript style is
@J.Power Overleaf "templates" are by no mean official for anything. Some, that are part of TeX Live and created by the relevant scientific bodies (IEEE, AMS, ACL, etc) are official, but many are not.
@UlrikeFischer I freely interpreted the pdfmark reference so as the BDC pdfmark would also accept an object {name} as dict argument.
@J.Power And as a reviewer, I would not want to see a final publication mockup sent to me for review. I'd want something in a more regular format.
10:11 PM
@J.Power using some complicated "template" just makes the job of the journal harder in fact as far as I can see supplying a non standard class file along with the article is not allowed according to teh submission guidelines
@Plergux ^^ :)
@J.Power According to the metadata, as @DavidCarlisle says, they used en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbortext_Advanced_Print_Publisher
@AlanMunn I wonder if there is an Overleaf employee around that we could blame?
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn, you guys make valid and logical arguments. But, regarding the references, does it not make it easier if the sent manuscript has a standard references format?
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@J.Power if they are not using tex for the final form al that is matters is that the manuscript is as simple as possible so they can strip out all the tex.
10:16 PM
@J.Power Personally I don't care; in my field Author/Year citations are the norm, and as long a stuff is there I don't really care about the format. But yes from the journal point of view it makes sense to have some consistency of that kind of stuff, but that's a separate issue from the overall format of the article.
@J.Power ultimately it's the same answer for any submission, if the published guidelines for latex submission are not clear enough, just ask the journal to clarify, no point in asking random people on the internet to guess the rules.
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn I think I have an idea now on what I have to do. Thanks for the help!
@J.Power starting from the journal page leads to detailed latex instructions here it's clear they do not use tex at all and all the instructions are asking for very simple tex structure that they can convert clarivate.com/webofsciencegroup/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/…
10:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle quack
@PauloCereda supper
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@PauloCereda skype ping

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