@DavidCarlisle minrunlines sounds good!

@StefanKottwitz I actually just count non-blank lines (easier to ignore newlines at the start or finish in that case)

@DavidCarlisle nothing I have experience in, so I'd say give it a go and if it breaks we'll notice :) Or wait for the others who might be more suited to review.

@Skillmon yes it's essentially only code I've looked at anyway but I wanted do do this as a PR to give a point to flag that I'm touching files across all the translations. We can blame @StefanKottwitz if it breaks.

@DavidCarlisle you have a typo in @UlrikeFischer.

@Skillmon all these German names look the same

@DavidCarlisle oh

twitter.com/mikewarburton/status/1373362041424056322

> Report: Microsoft Wants To Buy Discord For "Over $10 Billion"

@PauloCereda How about people apologizing for hurting the poor monsters! Seeing the 1976 King Kong movie was one of the most traumatic experiences of my childhood! I cried so much when King Kong died at the end. So unfair!

@Plergux oh my

Where did the color scheme come from?

I want to ask some question on Meta SE.

But I'm suspended...

@MarkGiraffe of the site? mostly site-specific customisation has been removed so it is set by the company in coordination with teh site moderators and getting any changes is more effort than it's worth. Many of us have local site css that just restyles it personally

@Plergux reminds me of: If you watch King Kong backwards, its a wonderful story about a giant ape that risks his life to rescue a woman trapped at the top of a building. He returns her to safety and then given an all expenses paid trip to a mythical island where he lived happily ever after.

@PauloCereda Aaaaw... That's so much better :D

@Plergux <3

@Plergux my favourite one is Jaws: If you watch Jaws backwards, it’s about a shark that throws up so many people, that they have to open a beach.

@PauloCereda LOL

@MarkGiraffe From Jin, who did the initial site design

I feel like wanting to retract my suspension for at least 15 minutes or something, just to post a question. But I also realized I'm question-banned in the same site.

@MarkGiraffe simplest is not to get banned in the first place

@MarkGiraffe Suspensions can't be retracted

:(

/kill all accounts

@PauloCereda not sure whether that is good, bad, or neutral news...

@Skillmon neither do I... it is still cloudy

@MarkGiraffe /frightened rabbit

@PauloCereda now do LOTR

@Skillmon (there's a site for this LOL) If you watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy backwards, you will realize that it’s a history about recovering jewelry from lava and giving it to the poor, and at the same time a deposition of a king to a state of beggar who needs to walk with other poor people.

@PauloCereda and it all ends in a giant war!

@Skillmon YES! :)

@Plergux @Skillmon watchitbackwards.com :)

@PauloCereda :D

@PauloCereda Just what I needed! More useless stuff to read when I should be working XD

@Plergux dito

@Plergux <3

@Skillmon <3

@Plergux @Skillmon I wub you

@PauloCereda

@Plergux ooh

@PauloCereda counter-ooh!

@Skillmon <3

@PauloCereda ooh, a carrot! Here, have one, too: <3

@PauloCereda feeling generous today, have a second one: ε>

@Skillmon ooh :)

@PauloCereda counter-ooh! Keep the share down!

@Skillmon <3

@PauloCereda I don't know why, but lately I have picked up interest in playing Tekken again...

@Skillmon Feng? :)

@PauloCereda more like, the complete roster. It's been so long. But I'd have to visit my two older brothers, reactivate some old PlayStation and convince them to play... All in all very unlikely to happen :(

Does anybody know about hiding questions by tag? Specifically, I want to do "hide questions tagged X unless Y is also tagged"

@JairoA.delRio maybe possible via filters...

@Skillmon <3

@JairoA.delRio hm, doesn't seem possible. At least I don't see an option allowing this on stackexchange.com/filters

@Skillmon That's what I'm seeing. I use a ConTeXt filter, but it's either showing or hiding by tag... Well, asking first doesn't hurt. Thanks

@JairoA.delRio maybe ask a question on main-meta. Seems like an interesting feature request (if we didn't miss something here)

@JairoA.delRio To a first approximation all question tags are initially wrong (tagged as bibtex as b is near the start of the alphabet for example) so I have never trusted any tag filters..

@DavidCarlisle I have 3 set in place that notify me, but only because they are package related. If they aren't used, I might see the questions anyways, but I don't have the time to lurk around the site to investigate every single question... :)

@Skillmon I don't read every question but I skim over the question list (ordered by time, not by "activity") unfiltered

@DavidCarlisle I only order by time as well, but I only look at the top n packages with n possibly fewer than the new questions added since the last time I took a quick glance :)

@DavidCarlisle and "latex3" thrown in randomly (probably they think it looks cool)

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Hello everyone

Are there any Ghostscript wizards here?

@HenriMenke ping AlexG :-)

I need to flatten the transparency in a PDF but gs -o out.pdf -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -dCompatibilityLevel=1.3 in.pdf also rasterizes the text.

@AlexG I need your PS expertise here please ^^^

@HenriMenke I wanted to talk at some time with you about adapting pgf to the LaTeX pdfmanagement. When would you have time for it?

@UlrikeFischer Maybe next week. Keep in mind that this will also have to work with Plain and ConTeXt.

@DavidCarlisle Mmm, a filter for ConTeXt usually works fine, unless a genius tags "context" because of the English word: my macro/environment/whatever doesn't work in certain context. Now that I think about it, other questions are usually mistagged...

@JairoA.delRio yes a context user probably knows they are using context. a reasonable percentage of latex users only know they are using overleaf and tagging is... variable

@HenriMenke well our code it for latex, but basically you only have to avoid to use the primitive \pdfpageresources but add e.g. values to ExtGState with our interface. The patch I'm currently using is only around 20 lines, and most of it is to translate the arguments format. Btw: one of the benefits will be that the shadings for xetex in shipout/background will work correctly again as our hooks are in the right place ;-)

@HenriMenke I get rasterised text too, with comp. levels 1.2 and 1.3., while 1.4 and above keep the vector fonts.

@HenriMenke The higher c levels also don't flatten transparency. I will need to have a look into the GS docs.

@UlrikeFischer That's good. PGF with XeTeX is already painful enough.

@AlexG Thanks for having a look. That's what I encountered as well.

@AlexG Maybe using -dPDFA works, because PDF/A also doesn't allow transparency

@AlexG Okay, -dPDFA works in the sense that it rasterizes the transparency, but it also rasterizes the text again.

@HenriMenke This is very annoying. I tried with -dHaveTransparency=false but it also rasterises text for higher comp. levels.

@UlrikeFischer I might look at some generic code too, if it looks sensible

@JosephWright I have some doubts. Writing to the catalog or info could probably work, but most of the rest explicitly relies on various shipout / end document hooks to push their code.

@Plergux You have some interesting ways of cooking bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-56491584

@egreg This is the first of its kind for me: \cite{Einstein,1905}

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 @Plergux in Lanzarote: youtube.com/watch?v=1ah2IDw-IEg

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 People have been using geothermal heat to cook for ages. People in Vestmannaeyjar make special bread that is baked in a pot in volcanic ash and sand where there is still heat.

I didn't eat there (I was there during my honeymoon), just had a beer

@Rmano :) That's cool. :) You use whatever you got :) The name of Reykjavík takes its name from the "smoke" from the hot creeks that used to run through when it was just a village and the local people used to wash their clothes in :)

...and they make a very special wine from vines that grows in volcanic ash...

@Plergux Yep, Timanfaya means also something like "fire mountain" or something like that.

@yo' I think to have cited an even earlier paper once. ;-)

@egreg that's not my code and the Einstein's paper is a placeholder. But note the comma ;)

(and I think the earliest paper for me is Kurt Hensel, 1897)

@yo' That's going to produce a nice error message, indeed!

@egreg well, many nice messages ;)

@Rmano :D

@egreg ^^^^ @yo'

@Rmano oh, well, I would then have to dig some Dad's papers. He is working on digitalizing the geomagnetic measurements since who-knows-when

@yo' That was in one paper of mine --- we feared the reviewer could protest, but no, they liked it. It's the oldest cite for me ;-)

@yo' How else would one show author year references if one ignores all error messages and thus latexmk stops before running the bib tool?

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 please allow me not to comment on the number of errors in the project that contained this.

@yo' :D

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 /sad quack about arara

@PauloCereda :(

@PauloCereda /sad boo about Java

@yo' it's Kotlin. :)

@PauloCereda that's also interpreted, isn't it?

@yo' yes :)

@yo' <insert the "it's complicated" meme here> :)

twitter.com/TheSurvivaITips/status/1374009589872484356 (we need @yo' to confirm!)

@PauloCereda oh that's gonna be pretty rough. The rate of descent of the Sun depends on the season and your latitude...

@yo' ooh so it's not too generic!

@yo' Thanks. :)

@PauloCereda And, as someone pointed out, "Very useful in the forest" XD

@yo' Perl is also interpreted and you love to execute it ;)

@Plergux I love the comment about "How about Google that info" :)

@TeXnician boo :)

A random string is valid Perl code. :)

I can even bet xii.tex is valid Perl code. :)

@PauloCereda Should I have gone for Lua as in LuaTeX? :D

@PauloCereda Well, I would assume that you'd need it when you have no other means of telling the time (and also, time of remaining daylight is not equal to the time of day ;))

@TeXnician ooh moons :)

@Plergux now I am worried about the vampire apocalypse :)

@Plergux ^^ baaaaaaa

I am getting scared

@PauloCereda heh heh heh... Have you seen Black Sheep? :p

@Plergux ooh I even have a story about black sheep, will use it Friday on a thesis committee. :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 twitter.com/hyxpk/status/1374390496416571395

Oh joy, another COVID-19 variant.

@PauloCereda very artistic :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 :)

@PauloCereda I don't need to search search the chicken among all the ducks any more, I can now create as many chickens as I want with the new TikZlings \chicken :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 ooh

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 ooh Polly

@PauloCereda and the baby one is called Pio

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 the chicken is soooo cute!

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 il pulcino pio! youtube.com/watch?v=juqyzgnbspY

@PauloCereda :D

The 2012 summer you'll-find-everywhere-song

@Rmano Oh, just the blue eyes are missing - otherwise they look exactly the same :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 do one need an inkscape extension to get the pdf+ pdf_tex export?

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 just found it. But the coordinates seem to be wrong ...

@UlrikeFischer (sorry, was afk) Sorry in what sense?

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 the text is not where it should be. It is shifted to the top.

@UlrikeFischer ok, that sounds strange. Did you scale the image?

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 not on the latex size. I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't work for a customer and simply created an arbitrary figure with some stars and some text.

@UlrikeFischer If you like, you can sent me the stars and text example and I'll test if I can reproduce the problem

@DavidCarlisle I was making a test file including a file cow.png in my local folder. When I include it without the extension it found /usr/local/texlive/2020/texmf-dist/tex/context/sample/common/cow.pdf instead. Shouldn't local files always override distribution files?

@DavidCarlisle So is there a priority of finding particular extensions first? That seems to be what's going on.

@AlanMunn yes it will try an extension then if it finds it it will use that. I think it's always done that, but I could try to blame @PhelypeOleinik's recent adjusting of file path handling

@AlanMunn it's user settable list of extensions that are tried in order

@DavidCarlisle But it seems that the default should be try all the extensions locally first, no?

@AlanMunn Don't let @DavidCarlisle fool you, it's his implementation ;-)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 mail sent, thanks.

@AlanMunn it could, but at the time I was running out of space to make the logic any more complicated. Especially as at the time there were no image format names in the usual tree. I am not sure there is a reliable way to only search the current directory if you \openin foo then kpse tells you foo exists it doesn't tell you where

@AlanMunn But I think that's how it's always been: try each extension in \Gin@extensions, and if one is found, go with that

@PhelypeOleinik so we could always blame you?

@DavidCarlisle If my name is @DavidCarlisle, yes :)

@DavidCarlisle I see. It's unlikely to arise too often as a problem I suppose, and adding the extension finds the file correctly.

@AlanMunn or probably ./cow forces the local directory but I'm not convinced that works everywhere in all backends the same way

hello @DavidCarlisle

@DavidCarlisle Yes it does, at least on a Mac.

@UlrikeFischer I can reproduce the problem with your file. If I delete the text boxes in inkscape and add new text at the same position, the export works fine ....

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 what is the difference between "text boxes" and "text" ?

@UlrikeFischer That's the same, I just call them boxes because inkscape draws this rectangle around it when editing

@touhami scroll up a day and see Stefan request the minrunlines feature here, you can see it in action at this test file davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test3-sk where small one or two line fragments don't get the activation button if you set it to 3, the editorlines setting was previously just set as a literal 100 it is the number of lines in teh editor before it adds a scrollbar (Stefan's sites set it less, to 40)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Hm, I don't know how to change it. Whatever I do the text is in the latex code at the same coordinate.

@UlrikeFischer This might be an issue of the inkscape version. I'm still using 0.92. If I look at the diff of your and mine svg, the syntax for the text seems a bit different

@DavidCarlisle great thank you.

@touhami minrunlines isn't in the current PR to move this to learnlatex, It's in the version at my latexcgi repo, I'm not sure if I will add it to the merge request or add it after the merge now.

@dav

@DavidCarlisle OK. thank you again

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 I opened an issue for this.

Thank you again, @PauloCereda, for the bonus on the question, tex.stackexchange.com/questions/44618/…

@StevenB.Segletes quack <3

@TeXnician yeah, but it's much more native to linux. Anyway, the bottom line I think is that if you rely on arara (or, heck, if you even know what it is), you might be too advanced for a regular Overleaf user ;)

@StefanKottwitz runlatex-sk.js is no more, all the test?-sk examples now call runlatex.js and set parameters accordingly eg davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test-sk

@touhami updated doc: davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi

@PauloCereda I should write some perl to translate arara directives to a latexmkrc file then you'd be able to upload files with arara commands to overleaf via learnlatex:-)

Question for a friend: is LaTeX2HTML still the best way to convert LaTeX to HTML?

@DavidCarlisle sw-engineering-candies.com/blog-1/…

@Canageek tex4ht or lwarp

@JosephWright tex4ht ?

@AlanMunn :)

Thanks

@JosephWright What you had was TeX for your Porsche.

@AlanMunn :)

@AlanMunn More of an Aston Martin man myself ...

@Canageek not since about 1998

@Canageek you can try out make4ht here davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test-make4ht

@JosephWright You like to be shaken not stirred? :)

I suppose I should regard it as a sign of how pleasant this place is that it really smarts when I get a down-vote on an answer with no reason given.

@AlanMunn :)

@AndrewStacey Very strange. I wonder if it's someone with a phone and big thumbs. :)

@AlanMunn That's what I'm hoping for. I'm a bit worried it's because I provided an answer to a question with an already accepted answer that is quite detailed and that has had a fair amount of work put into it.

@AndrewStacey On the other hand the other answer is also by a topologist. Any unsorted grudges from your former life? :)

@AlanMunn Hmm, what would a topology-fight look like? Bagels at dawn?

@AndrewStacey a loop around the neck then contract to a point?

Hi guys

@nbro 'ello

@AndrewStacey I think you guys just pull at each other until you you're no longer homeomorphic.

@AndrewStacey just how many teacups doughnuts can you eat?

In a beamer document, how would you make an animation of tree/graph structure, like the following one?

@nbro Pretty sure we have questions on that.

Essentially, I want to write the different nodes and branches in different slides and make the animation in this way

Yeah, and I think I did this in the past

I need to look it up, yes

Maybe we can do this with the \only command?

I think I will just edit the images and place an image in successive frames. It's easier than looking for a proper solution :D

@nbro One of top 10 on a very simple "beamer tikzpicture" Google search: stackoverflow.com/questions/45695435/…

Well, that isn't exactly what I need, but something in that direction... but, as I said, I think for me it's faster to just edit the images with GIMP :P

I don't have much time now to look up a more serious solution

So, maybe I will use this solution: stackoverflow.com/a/18817349/3924118

I'm using this solution to show multiple consecutive images: stackoverflow.com/a/4684091/3924118. There's a small shift to the right of the images, as I go to the next image. Not sure why

Actually, I am using something like \includegraphics<1>[width=0.6\textwidth]{figures/initialization/initialization1.png}, i.e. I also specify the size, so that's maybe the problem

Yeah, without [width=0.6\textwidth] that small shift doesn't happen, but I need to resize the images

@nbro Typically caused by lack of a % at the ends of your \only lines. Also see tex.stackexchange.com/q/17992/2693

You're right. Thanks!

@nbro If the tree is done in TikZ, then have a look at the overlay-beamer-styles library

I've just noticed that it also makes a difference whether you leave a space between the command and %

@nbro spaces usually make a difference in tex:-)

@nbro since the reason for adding % at ends of lines is to comment out the space, it does nothing at all if there is a space before it.

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Nobody should make trees with regular tikz methods :)

@AlanMunn forest counts as tikz for the matter of overlays :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Oh wow. That's great! Then I approve wholeheartedly.

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 I only use beamer for my experimental work. Theoretical work (which requires the most trees) uses a handout rather than slides.

@AlanMunn the overlay-beamer-styles library is basically the same code as in the thread you linked to, just packaged into a tikz library

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Ah ok. I thought it might be. I've never used it.

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 It works very nicely!

@AlanMunn The packages is working perfectly - the one major flow is that I can never remember if the package is called aobs, oabs, obsa, or whatever when trying to look up the documentation :)

on the other hand I discovered a lot of new packages when entering the wrong permutations into texdoc ...

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Yes, as an English speaker bos sounds like the more natural order.

thinking about this: a random option for texdoc would be funny

Seriously, NONE OF dvipsnames, svgnames OR x11names contains the name "grey" o.0

@Canageek svgnames are capitalised, so Grey

@PhelypeOleinik ahhhhh

@PhelypeOleinik actually: Gray

@DavidCarlisle Both. And x11names has both Grey0 and Gray0 (@Canageek)

@PhelypeOleinik At this point I just wrote in "orange" and that worked

@PhelypeOleinik ah I looked at the one true original version, dvipsnam.def

@Canageek Orange is the new grey, or something like that :)

@DavidCarlisle Purists :)

@PhelypeOleinik but xcolor doesn't have another dvips set does it?

@PhelypeOleinik ah sorry you said svg had both, OK

@DavidCarlisle No, I think. I looked at the .def files too

@DavidCarlisle What, did you think I was cheating with documentation?

@PhelypeOleinik funny thing is "someone" asked that the colour model be called both grey and gray I said it was possible but only if we could have \begin{centre} as well as \begin{center}

@DavidCarlisle A reasonable requirement, I'd say :)

@DavidCarlisle siunitx does have \metre

@PhelypeOleinik because that is what the unit is called?

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PhelypeOleinik Orange is the new black!50

@AlanMunn goes well with duck as well

@AlanMunn :)