TeX, LaTeX and Friends

barbara beeton

00:55

Does anyone have any bad (US English) mishyphenations to report? I'm just about finished an update that will be posted to CTAN as ushyphex. (It's really long overdue.)

Paulo Cereda

08:00

@yo' ooh :)

Rmano

08:40

circuitikz manual is now more than 200 pages. That no one will read ;-P !

3

Paulo Cereda

@Rmano texdoc indentfirst

Joseph Wright

Anyone tried GitHub's new Discussions features?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright no

@JosephWright we are very happy in GitLab. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Oh, sure: 'Other code hosting options are available'

Paulo Cereda

08:56

@JosephWright :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Does it have 'non-issue discussions'?

AlexG

@JosephWright Its called Mattermost. Not sure whether it is only available for self-hosted Gitlab.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright yes :)

@JosephWright and we also have other integrations. :)

@JosephWright nice diamond you have near your name. :)

David Carlisle

09:29

@PauloCereda You suggesting that @Rmano achieve the same high documentation to code ratio as indentfirst (1 page for every 4 tokens)?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle quack <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda insert previous comment here

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

TeXnician

@AlexG Yes, you can self-host mattermost with it. Very easy with Omnibus GitLab.

Paulo Cereda

ooh a bus

the wheels on the bus go round and round

also, London bridge is falling down

yo'

09:37

@PauloCereda (and I opted out of these again, I'm not that much a fan of these things...)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oh I understand :)

Paulo Cereda

09:51

ooh the sheep person is here

@Plergux quack

Plergux

@PauloCereda baa!

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@Plergux did you get my mail yesterday?

Plergux

@UlrikeFischer hmmm....

@UlrikeFischer The damn mail thing put your all your recent mails in the Spam folder! D:

Paulo Cereda

Finally some actual use for Mathematics:

Mathematical Present Wrapping

►

3

:)

@Plergux ooh lovely spam, wonderful spam

David Carlisle

10:12

@UlrikeFischer I used a manual

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda ??

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ^^

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ah

@PauloCereda I see you have a hat

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ;-)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer of course I used \tracingall to find out what was not working, just the manual to see if it was supposed to work

Paulo Cereda

10:18

@JosephWright an awesome hat please. :)

@DavidCarlisle If Maslow used TeX, \tracingall would be his proverbial hammer. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Secret hat I believe

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda don't worry @JosephWright is saving the world from \tracingall use with beamer and sneaking expl3 into 2e

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh a secret

@DavidCarlisle oh let's add \tracingall with beamer and TikZ, that should be a smooth ride.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda buy that machine with an empty 1Tb disk first

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

yo'

10:52

@DavidCarlisle and if you use a reading device, make sure you have plenty and plenty of time too :-)

Joseph Wright

@yo' No hats here

yo'

@JosephWright I, for some reason, wasn't automatically opted out as in the past years. I freaked out!

Plergux

@UlrikeFischer I've added stuff :p

David Carlisle

11:11

@JosephWright but a smart new badge of office

daleif

Wondering, the \iffalse{\fi\ifnum0=`}\fi and \ifnum0=`{}\fi are they safe to use outside of alignment related stuff? Mathtools messes with some if next char stuff and is missing some similar stuff in relation to aligned (see mathtools issues on githib). One solution is to add these safe begin/end, I was wondering if that had negative effects in other places?

David Carlisle

@daleif safe but you mean {\ifnum0=`}\fi I think (without the iffalse) and \ifnum0=`{\fi}

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I just copied what was in mhsetup.sty (very bottom)

David Carlisle

@daleif hmm they are rather different to what latex uses or the \eegroup suggested in teh TeXBook.

@daleif \ifnum0=`{ is false so \ifnum0=`{}\fi expands to nothing and does not act as an end group.

daleif

It is related to this one github.com/latex3/mathtools/issues/15 @PhelypeOleinik already suggested a fix, I was just worried that it might have other consequences.

David Carlisle

11:24

@PhelypeOleinik ^^^^^

@daleif I can't look now, but those definitions look wrong to me

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@PauloCereda ... need to find presents in the correct shape for wrapping :)

David Carlisle

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas this would be the ideal one for the diagonal square thing

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I think mathtools have been using them for years

David Carlisle

@daleif the use I see is preceded by \egroup (so the group ends anyway) then the safe_end_group token expands to nothing so doesn't do anything (but haven't time to fully trace now) The \eegroup token from the texbook acts as an endgroup.

@daleif I suppose it does flip the counters so does something in the alignment case, But seems pretty odd to make them not add a group. In your original question about non-alignment uses, did you want something like \bgroup...\egroup or like \@empty...\@empty ?

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@DavidCarlisle If the wrapping is pretty enough, nobody will dare to open it and there is one less of these non-pizzas in the world. Good idea!

Phelype Oleinik

11:48

@daleif expl3 uses \group_align_safe_begin: (\ifnum\iffalse{\fi`}=\z@\fi) and \group_align_safe_end: (\ifnum`{=\z@}\fi) in several places which need alignment safety, so I would assume it's fine. mhtools's version looks a bit different, but I don't know what would be the consequences

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I'm just not use where this "fix" ends up when mathtools runs \MHPrecedingSpacesOff

Phelype Oleinik

@daleif Both versions expand to nothing, but they trick TeX's alignment scanning to think they do and make it not explode when an & is seen too soon

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik yes I'm just surprised to see it packaged in a form that expands to nothing unlike texbook \eegroup which expands to } But it is OK I suppose

daleif

@PhelypeOleinik So the question is whether the mathtools fix ends up being used anywhere else than alignments.

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle To be honest I don't know exactly how that trick works, so you may be right...

daleif

11:57

It also some interesting stuff RuixiZhang has found, I'll look at them over the holidays (needs somehing else to think about besides my day job)

David Carlisle

@daleif yes saw lots of cramped issues coming in:-)

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I've fixed the simplest one so far.

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik hey that sword belongs to @UlrikeFischer to slay dragons :)

daleif

Was wondering why I did not get any emails from those, I though I had notifications enabled on it.

Phelype Oleinik

@daleif It always expands to nothing, so it should work fine everywhere

@PauloCereda I HAVE IT NOW

Paulo Cereda

12:01

@PhelypeOleinik ooh

Diaa

12:55

If I have a question asked here, can I cross-post it on another tex Q&As platform since my issue is not fully resolved?

Ulrike Fischer

13:21

@PhelypeOleinik I got it back ...

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer The black duck wants one too :)

Joseph Wright

@Diaa If they allow it, although I'd suggest marking as a cross-post

Paulo Cereda

Speaking of hats, how did I end up with this sombrero thingy?

It's a secret hat

But how is a secret hat awarded?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda ER, it's a secret: we are supposed to try to work it out, I guess

Phelype Oleinik

13:24

@PauloCereda Have you been listening to this:

Mexican hat song HD

►

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik YES THANK YOU

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda there is a list, but it doesn't say yet how one gets your hat. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/357915/…

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer oh

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer Probably @PauloCereda listened to the sombrero song non-stop for an hour or two

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik there is only one real sword, it can have it tomorrow.

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

13:28

@PauloCereda rumours say it is about getting stars in chat

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh

Phelype Oleinik

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas @PauloCereda is really good at that -->

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik <3

@PhelypeOleinik eight more to go:

El Jarabe Tapadio (10 hour)

►

<3

ARRIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda LOL

@PauloCereda Somehow I don't doubt you will actually listen to the whole thing

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik You know me <3

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

13:36

@PhelypeOleinik :D if we had not already known that, now there is the hat as proof

Diaa

Hello @samcarter_preparing_for_xmas since you are one of the known tikzperts to me :) would you please try to explain why I can't reproduce the same output of the answer to my question here tex.stackexchange.com/q/574812/2288?

Ulrike Fischer

13:51

@Diaa the tikz option is missing in the picture file \documentclass[tikz]{standalone}.

@Diaa sorry I'm saying nonsense, I forget that this should be compiled with shell-escape

Diaa

14:23

@UlrikeFischer when I get back to my PC soon I will give it a try. Hopefully, it is the reason. Thanks :)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@Diaa My tikz knowledge is limited to ducks :) You should ask marmot

Ulrike Fischer

@Diaa no it is not. I hadn't really seen that you want the build mode. With this it doesn't work, the graphics are created independantly from your current document and so know nothing about the fontsize.

meide

whats the best way to handle l3keys that take multiple parameters? (like pgfkeys .code 2 args etc)

I only see a .code:n property in l3keys, there's no .code:nn or further

Joseph Wright

14:40

@meide We don't provide that type of interface: keys have a single value, if you want to post-process, you need to that manually

meide

@JosephWright alright, I'll need to do some rethinking of my interface. Thanks :)

Rmano

@PhelypeOleinik which hat can I get with youtube.com/watch?v=hvHK4yZNXpk ?

Phelype Oleinik

@Rmano ^^^

Rmano

@PhelypeOleinik Yeah!

Phelype Oleinik

@Rmano (the view from the train is beautiful!)

Rmano

14:48

Yes, I have this youtube.com/watch?v=facDr2lTAUM on the background now. I use them when correcting exams, I find them very relaxing

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik Oslo isn't in Sodor

Phelype Oleinik

@Rmano Sometimes I'm surprised about the things you can find on youtube :)

@DavidCarlisle Sodor?

@DavidCarlisle Oh

@DavidCarlisle Your knowledge of Thomas the Tank Engine lore is surprising!

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik The books were written in the village where my wife grew up (some of them at least)

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle Oh, cool!

@DavidCarlisle I didn't knew there were books! All I know is what my nephew tells of his cartoons

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik The original books have an iconic layout and a rather older intended audience than the much later animations

Diaa

14:58

@UlrikeFischer With or without -shell-escape, the same weird output is produced docdro.id/4t5urCy

This is getting more annoying than I thought to reproduce the output of the other users :/

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle You got me interested now :)

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik /Leonardo di Caprio meme

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik amazon.co.uk/Railway-Thomas-Centenary-Collection-Classic/dp/…

Ulrike Fischer

@Diaa remove the mode=build, or deleted the created pics.

Paulo Cereda

I LIKE TRAINS (asdfmovie song)

►

David Carlisle

15:02

@PauloCereda not quite the style of a Rural English clergyman.

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer I seem to recall that we wanted to make a luaotfload release soon. What do you think about trying to push it this evening?

David Carlisle

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh toodle pip

@DavidCarlisle ooh a train

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda he was monochrome too. We may be related.

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda YES!

Paulo Cereda

15:04

@DavidCarlisle ooh maybe he drinks Earl GREY

/ba dum tss

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger I got a bit wrapped up by this bitset stuff and so didn't look yet. Did you check lately what context is doing? Does it make sense to try to import the fontloader? Or should we leave it as it is?

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle The box looks beautiful!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh his birth date...

Diaa

15:21

You are right, it works when removing -shell-escape and delete the old pics without having to remove mode=build.
However, there is a big issue here that standalone should build an image.pdf to be included in the main/calling document, which didn't happen when I followed your recommendation

Consider this document

\begin{filecontents*}{pic\jobname.tex}
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{datetime2}
\usetikzlibrary{shapes}
\begin{document}
\color{blue}
\begin{tikzpicture}[x=1em, y=1em]
\draw (0,0) rectangle node{\DTMcurrenttime} (4,4);
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
\end{filecontents*}

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{datetime2}
\usepackage[fontsize=14pt]{scrextend}
\usepackage[mode=buildnew, subpreambles=false]{standalone}
\begin{document}

mode=buildnew should build a new image when the source is newer than the image itself. Since there is no built image, I always get a new built image (which can be noticed by comparing the current time inside the rectangle and that in the main document)

So, the usage of standalone here is useless as I lost the sense of externalization

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer There isn't anything big, but one TTF indexing change might be good to import. Most stuff is LMTX related though. I'll try an import.

Diaa

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer Have you heard anything more about the cache issue?

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger no, you saw I answered, but I'm never quite sure, if people get this when I sent through gmane only to the list.

@Diaa sure, that is what I was saying: if you externalize, you externalize! How should the picture built with an external compilation know anything at all about the main document? Beside this: standalone will built the pic only once, when it is there it will reuse it.

LaTeXereXeTaL

15:39

Quack, pizza, and all that jazz.

Rmano

@LaTeXereXeTaL theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/16/…

Paulo Cereda

@LaTeXereXeTaL where's your hat?

@Rmano sorry :)

Rmano

@PauloCereda Ah, what a scare... on my head, clearly. chirping and all

Paulo Cereda

@Rmano <3

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer Well, his motivation to provide an example document to a public issue tracker seemed limited anyway.

LaTeXereXeTaL

16:01

@Rmano Well toast is good too.

@PauloCereda I'm not sure what to do with the hat thing.

Paulo Cereda

@LaTeXereXeTaL wear it? :)

LaTeXereXeTaL

@PauloCereda I think mine is a mask actually.

Hmmm....doesn't seem to show up here.

Aha....okay.

Paulo Cereda

@LaTeXereXeTaL ooh

@LaTeXereXeTaL oh it will, just give it some time. :)

LaTeXereXeTaL

@PauloCereda I think it's working now.

Paulo Cereda

ooh a mask :)

@LaTeXereXeTaL it is!

LaTeXereXeTaL

16:08

I wonder if this makes me a LaTeX Bandit?

Tried resizing it.

Paulo Cereda

@LaTeXereXeTaL ooh :)

LaTeXereXeTaL

Apparently I just somehow earned the Quarantine Hair hat too.

That's ironic, because that's already in my avatar!

Skillmon

16:26

pdfTeX error (zplsy.vf): invalid character code.

Yay, first time I'm seeing this error.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon how did you manage to get that?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle by trying to compile a document which worked in March.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon this works for me:

\font\z=zplsy at 10pt
\z abc
\bye

Skillmon

(I'm having at least two issues with that document, this error, and an image I have to produce with TL2019 because I'm getting an out-of-memory error in TL2020)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle this is too minimal I guess. :)

David Carlisle

16:32

@PauloCereda well it reads the vf file, so I don't see what else could trigger the error,@Skillmon what does your vf look like? ls -l says 1792 Nov 3 22:01 /usr/local/texlive/2020/texmf-dist/fonts/vf/public/newpx/zplsy.vf

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle 1792 Nov 3 23:01 zplsy.vf (so same, modulo timezone)

David Carlisle

@Skillmon not my fault if you don't live in the canonical timezone

Skillmon

log also says checksum mismatch in font zplsy.vf ignored.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon I don't get that

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle and I believe you, but my master's thesis is not what I'd call minimal, so finding the cause of this might take me a while...

@DavidCarlisle and it uses evil classes/packages and stuff that aren't published.

David Carlisle

16:38

@Skillmon my plain test file above works for you?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle yes

David Carlisle

how about this?

\font\z=zplsy at 10pt
\z
\count0=0
\loop
[\char\count0]
\advance\count0 1
\ifnum\count0<256
\repeat


\bye

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon how do you compile?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle weird output, but no error.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon sorry then I have no idea.

Skillmon

16:41

Issue might be an old local format...

Confirmed. :)

It's always more trivial than one expects.

@UlrikeFischer thank you, this comment nudged me in the correct direction :)

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon ?

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer well, since I was compiling with a local format using mylatexformat and your question how I'm compiling reminded me of that fact.

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon with preset fonts?

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer seems like it (mathastext and a pretty wild mix for symbol fonts at work...)

@UlrikeFischer all I can say is that rebuilding the format file fixes compiling.

Now, all that's left is that annoying out-of-memory error during figure creation (it works with TL19, so I have a workaround, but I'm curious which change is the root of it)

David Carlisle

17:11

@UlrikeFischer do you get tikz issues? github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/960#issuecomment-747570141

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle no not by default, thanks for the link. I should check this situation for the pdfresources stuff (I think it should be okay, as we use the kernel hook).

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I get them because I am an expert on tikz (I have a gold badge, did you know?)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

17:27

@PauloCereda I finally found the time to update to Fedora 33 -- looks nice! :D

Paulo Cereda

17:45

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh do you use it?

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@PauloCereda unfortunately not as much as I would like to use it :(

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas the globe background changes during the day, as if the globe was rotating. :)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@PauloCereda ohhhh

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas :D

Alan Munn

18:09

Does anyone here have any experience with either Zotero or Mendeley and TeX? I'm about to embark on a collaboration that will likely involve Overleaf, and it would be nice to have a way to manage citations too.

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik what will happen with the new code if you do \DeclareHookRule{shipout/background}{pgf}{after}{top-level} ?

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer The rule will be ignored and pgf will go before top-level

@UlrikeFischer Why does pgf have to go after top-level?

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik see Davids message a bit above. The hook order in the shipout/background must be different.

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer Hm... Tricky to fix with hooks. They would need a shipout/background/after...

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Couldn;'t one force the order by giving an explicit label to this awkward thing?

@PhelypeOleinik Yes: ideally, it will move to the kernel and we can put in 'resource et up' hard-wired after the hook

Phelype Oleinik

18:20

@JosephWright Ideally :)

@JosephWright Now top-level has zero flexibility: it is always at the end*

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright yes, but I just tried to check, and I think we should add a \@kernel@after@shipout@background.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Yup

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I think it doesn't harm, and it would be good to have it directly, what do you think?

Canageek

18:38

Question: Does anyone have a good tool for merging PDFs? I normally just print to PDF them, but that is probably going to remove my hyperlinks. I can't just merge them into one LaTeX file as they have different fonts, geometry and document classes

Alan Munn

@Canageek I think pdfpages is the usual way, but I don't think it preserves links.

Canageek

@AlanMunn I don't suppose you know of an external tool for after creation?

Wait, the xpdf package might have something

Paulo Cereda

@Canageek qpdf or pdftk or stapler, perhaps?

Canageek

googles

Thanks, if you google PDF merge you just get a ton of websites

Skillmon

18:53

@Canageek there is also pdfjam, which is a shell script that uses pdfpages in the background.

Canageek

""b) Name your document using the following format: Hiring #-Last Name,First Name. For example, if your name is Jamie Smith and you are applying for a position with hiring number 2016-0061, the file should be named: 2016-0061-Smith,Jamie."

Who the fuck puts commas in file names

Alan Munn

@Canageek This is fantastic.

Paulo Cereda

@Canageek also spaces.... and non-ASCII characters... and uppercase letters... did I mention spaces? :)

Canageek

@PauloCereda Spaces are at least understandable for people who have never used the command line. COMMAS?

Skillmon

@PauloCereda is | ok? It's ASCII.

Paulo Cereda

18:56

@Canageek You should see my dad's folder hierarchy then. :)

@Skillmon ooh can you have a carrot? Like, <3.tex

Alan Munn

@Canageek We should put them in touch with my university "one double space" thesis office.

Paulo Cereda

ooh I got some weird LuaTeX shriver

Skillmon

@PauloCereda yeah, I guess zsh will be very lucky about the <... But thanks for the carrot :) Here, have one, too: <3

Canageek

Dammit the qpdf help makes it clear you CAN merge PDFs with it, but the how it being a pain

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh thanks

@Canageek oh hold on, I think I have a syntax nearby...

Phelype Oleinik

18:58

@Canageek Fun fact: with newer LaTeX releases you can get any character in file names, but commas will not work with pdfpages :)

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik /meme of Elon Musk's daughter writing articles in TeX

Skillmon

@PauloCereda isn't her name ASCII?

Phelype Oleinik

I guess that puts commas in a deeper level of TeX-hell

@PauloCereda Oh, X Æ 12 π ф

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ^^

Skillmon

@PauloCereda I'm sure that's not her real name.

Paulo Cereda

19:00

@Skillmon spoilers :)

Apparently, Musk replaced 12 by xii... I wonder if he got any inspiration...

@DavidCarlisle @PhelypeOleinik ^^

Canageek

If you wanted to take pages 1–5 from file1.pdf and pages 11–15 from file2.pdf in reverse, you would run

qpdf file1.pdf --pages file1.pdf 1-5 . 15-11 -- outfile.pdf

I HOPE there is a typo in that example....

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Hm... @DavidCarlisle can charge royalties

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik ooh

Canageek

Got it

qpdf GuelphCoverLetter.pdf -pages GuelphCoverLetter.pdf 2020-12-09-MyName-CV.pdf -- 2020-0421-Last,First.pdf

If you specify pages it ignores the input file specified, but still insists you have one, which is just EXCELLENT design

However, it works

Paulo Cereda

@Canageek quite, qpdf is very confusing, but it was the only one who could save when pdftk stopped working...

Marcel Krüger

19:13

@Canageek You can pass --empty instead of a filename if you don't want to name a primary input file. If you name a file, it isn't ignored but used for metadata etc.

Paulo Cereda

ooh Marcel is awesome

Canageek

Ahhhh

@MarcelKrüger Thank you

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

19:37

@AlanMunn I'm using Mendeley to manage papers, but not for bibtex

Alan Munn

19:57

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas Hmm. So what's the point? (Serious question.)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@AlanMunn I'm using it for three things: automatic renaming of the pdf's to author_year.pdf, the ability to sort the articles into different topic (in which an article can be in multiple topics at the same time) and the in text search

Alan Munn

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas I see. Is the sorting automatic too? BibDesk already handles the naming problem for me automatically.

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@AlanMunn sorting can be done in several ways. What works automatically is extracting the keywords from the articles, but personally I prefer to sort them myself

Alan Munn

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas Ok. So when you write a paper (if you do) do you just export a subset of the .bib file for TeX to use?

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

Major disadvantage of mendeley: it is incredible noisy. By default it would upload everything to the cloud, I had to use my firewall to prevent this

@AlanMunn No, I mange my .bib files manually. I use ADS as starting point for the .bib entry and then clean this up.

Alan Munn

20:15

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas Reading a bit more, it's owned by Elsevier. So I'm out. :)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

I really only use mendely to collect the articles and not at all for bibtex.

@AlanMunn :D

Diaa

20:33

Hello @DavidCarlisle
Since you are one of the main contributors I found in the documentation of latex2e :) I need to understand if I load package textalpha and used the command \textbeta, which package would handle it: textalpha or textcomp? since both have the same command and textcomp is loaded by default.

Alan Munn

@Diaa What do you mean "textcomp is loaded by default"? And textcomp doesn't define \textbeta.

@Diaa And asking @DavidCarlisle to explain documentation is a lost cause: he has no concept of documentation whatsoever. :)

Diaa

@AlanMunn I misunderstood some other statement.

@AlanMunn I am trying :)

David Carlisle

@Diaa that depends.

Yeh I have a new broadband connection:-)

11 hours ago, by David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I used a manual

Alan Munn

20:49

@DavidCarlisle Fake news.

Diaa

For textcomp, why doesn't the following work? are the commands of textcomp different than those?

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[no-math]{fontspec}
\usepackage{mathtools}
\usepackage[bold-style=TeX]{unicode-math}
\setmathfont[math-style=ISO]{Latin Modern Math}
\usepackage{newcomputermodern}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\begin{document}
\textalpha \textbeta \textgamma
\textAlpha \textBeta \textGamma
\end{document}

@DavidCarlisle No one is safe :)

Alan Munn

@Diaa It fails because none of the \text... commands you've used are defined. So no package you loaded defined them.

David Carlisle

@Diaa there is no command \textalpha defined

@Diaa ah @AlanMunn said same (he is right sometimes)

Diaa

@DavidCarlisle So what are the commands of textcomp? I turned the internet upside down to find them :/

Ulrike Fischer

@AlanMunn the textcomp command in the kernel now, the package is no longer needed.

Alan Munn

20:54

@UlrikeFischer Ah, ok. But whether in the kernel or not it doesn't define any \text<greek> commands.

Ulrike Fischer

@AlanMunn quite right.

David Carlisle

@Diaa just some legacy commands from the text companion fonts for 8 bit tex which are now in the format so no package needed but those fonts are not used with unicode text anyway

Diaa

So, I understood this correctly:

"Note that the package has been adopted as part of the LATEX distribution; the reference here is to the original package, which is now little used (if at all)."

Alan Munn

@UlrikeFischer I guess I should have read the documentation. ;-)

Diaa

@DavidCarlisle but it was claimed that this package helps write greek letters in text mode. How to do so?

David Carlisle

20:56

@Diaa what do you actually want to do, if you want to type greek you can simply type greek

\begin{document} Γειά σου Κόσμε \end{document}

Diaa

@DavidCarlisle I want to know if it is possible to make my question here tex.stackexchange.com/q/575406/2288 work with textcomp (just out of curiosity)

David Carlisle

@Diaa ^^

Ulrike Fischer

@Diaa whoever claimed that was wrong. textcomp doesn't provide greek, so simply stop to consider this.

Diaa

@UlrikeFischer Thanks. that was widely spread over the past years here after some googling. Or probably I misunderstood the questions/answers

David Carlisle

@Diaa textcomp is unrelated to Greek, did not do anything in luatex or xetex even when it existed and now does nothing at all as the functionality is built in to latex.

Diaa

21:00

@DavidCarlisle @UlrikeFischer Many thanks for the explanation. Have a nice night (I guess :)

Rmano

21:41

@PauloCereda when did it stopped working? I used 'pdftk` yesterday.... (will check tomorrow from the PC, but the version in my Ubuntu 20.04 works OK)

Transcript for

$TeX - LaTeX$ TeX, LaTeX and Friends