TeX, LaTeX and Friends

barbara beeton

00:03

@samcarter_left_tex.se --It's day 2 that is the real beast; starts around 3 a.m. local time, and doesn't give up until 2 a.m. the next morning. A few talks I really wanted to watch are during serious sleep time, so I just hope the writeups are good.

@manooooh -- The leaders of the tutorial have led a tutorial along with the in-person TUG meeting for many years. (I've never attended, but they have always been appreciated. It's rather a thankless task, really.)

uhoh

05:01

I think that the core question in Is the size of the black hole illustration in this PDF really “exact”? If so, how could I determine its size in centimeters? is on-topic.

I've removed the superfluous material and bumped it into the review queue. I'd really like to know the answer!

If there's a different SE site where it would be better to post than here, please let me know!

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06:52

@uhoh your question is about the PDF standard and printing, not about LaTeX. On how you could measure it: some viewers (e.g., Foxit) have a measurement tool, a quick search on the internet might help. Still, this is nothing TeX related.

samcarter_left_tex.se

07:02

@barbarabeeton I also will have to fall back to the recorded videos for the talks of Ross Moore and following. As an isolated event they would be doable, but not if there are other sessions a couple of hours before and after :) Scheduling with all these time zones is really not easy. Other online conferences now often use only half a day (late evening in Asia, afternoon in Europe and morning in US), but of course this doubles the number of days and events get very long then.

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@samcarter_left_tex.se I will have to watch everything as a recorded video :(

samcarter_left_tex.se

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz :(

@uhoh I don't have time right now to search, but I think there was a video discussing the scaling issue of the image. Either from youtube.com/channel/UCYNbYGl89UUowy8oXkipC-Q or youtube.com/user/sixtysymbols

(thinking about it, I think it was on 60 symbols)

samcarter_left_tex.se

07:33

@uhoh I think you can simplify the problem. If you download the source from arxiv, you'll find the image Fig9cmBH.pdf and it is included as \includegraphics[height=9.35cm]{Fig9cmBH}. So assuming the claim that this is 1:1 is correct, you'll only have to scale the image to have a height of 9.35cm (hold a ruler to your screen until this is true)

@DavidCarlisle Slide from a conference about open source software I'm currently at ^^^^

(maybe they just say this because we don't have a @UlrikeFischer)

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07:53

@samcarter_left_tex.se you don't know whether the file contains a white border...

samcarter_left_tex.se

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz It does, I'll have to trust the authors that they did take this into account

uhoh

09:06

@samcarter_left_tex.se okay I can download the source from here and I have only one file named 1909.11090 no additional figures are downloaded. When I view that as text and I've found that bit here and again here but I'm not sure how to display the exact thing that I need to scale to 9.35 cm. There doesn't seem to be a separate image to work with, at least not as a separately downloaded file

Since it's simply a filled circle it's probably just generated as some primitive shape. I'd thought that this was done using LaTeX but apparently not.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz okay I understand now that it's not LaTeX now, thanks!

samcarter_left_tex.se

@uhoh Rename the file 1909.11090 to 1909.11090.tar.gz and uncompress to get the image

Joseph Wright

@samcarter_left_tex.se Or just unzip (I use 7-zip so just right-clicked and opened)

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright But then I don't have my zip program in the "open with..." list and have to search it in the whole list of programs :)

Joseph Wright

@samcarter_left_tex.se :)

@samcarter_left_tex.se Fun reading the source: I wonder what will happen when people using {\bf 1. ...} for sections are asked about tagged PDFs ;) (@UlrikeFischer)

Also

\def\beq{\begin{equation}\begin{aligned}}
\def\eeq{\end{aligned}\end{equation}}

:(

@DavidCarlisle, @egreg ^^^

yo'

@JosephWright they're just missing \! that should surround {aligned}

samcarter_left_tex.se

09:18

@JosephWright In the daily email with the new papers on arxiv the code for titles and abstract are shown as plain text. Every second paper uses such stuff. Reading this mail can be quite painful

Joseph Wright

@samcarter_left_tex.se I get that; it's a shame, and it is actually an issue: as I'm in an area using Word submissions, I've no idea what happens about clean-up of TeX sources for published versions

uhoh

@samcarter_left_tex.se aha! There it is :-) The black circle is about 0.960 the size of the white frame, that multitplied by 9.35 cm gives 8.98 (essentially 9.0) cm. Okay This is exactly what I needed, thank you for your patience and help!

samcarter_left_tex.se

@uhoh You're welcome!

uhoh

@samcarter_left_tex.se however now the rest of my day's productivity is shot because I'm going to be watching sixty-symbols videos, I've got a lot of catching up to do :-)

I didn't know about Dr. Becky so I'll save those for the weekend.

samcarter_left_tex.se

@uhoh :) I'm sorry! So should we prepare for a wave of interesting questions on astro.se?

@uhoh Dr Becky is really great. I met her at a conference some time ago and her talk was really standing out. Seems thinking about science communication is really worth the effort.

Ulrike Fischer

09:34

@JosephWright well they will get normal "paragraph" text and no headings - that what word user get if they create their section by making them larger and bold ;-)

Joseph Wright

@samcarter_left_tex.se I didn't know astronomy was your day-job

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright mixture of astronomy and particle physics

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Well yes, but it's a shame when every basic LaTeX intro covers \section

@samcarter_left_tex.se Ah, right

@samcarter_left_tex.se Big instrument stuff?

uhoh

@samcarter_left_tex.se I've posted "Dr. Becky to the rescue! How to spot Comet NEOWISE, plus the largest 3D map of the Universe | Night Sky News July 20" under three questions already. This reminds me that I need to improve this answer: astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/36901/7982

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright One of the instruments I work for has "Cubic Kilometre" in the name, so yes :)

Joseph Wright

09:38

@samcarter_left_tex.se km3net.org?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright yes but neither does the intro covers how to get say a normal sized section, nor does offer LaTeX easy tools to adjust the fonts here. You need a better class like memoir or the koma classes for this. The tutorial examples yesterday had a \Large in the code -- probably to make the pdf better readable, but this too could done with the koma classes better.

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright yipp

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer It's a paper using REVTeX, so (as I say a lot to authors using achemso): 'do not worry about formatting, that's the job of the editorial office'

@UlrikeFischer I hope to see some of the video today

@UlrikeFischer As I understand it, arXiv is about manuscripts, not finalised papers, so really they don't even need to be two-column (I'd actually say they must not be, and should be double-spaced, but then I'm used to classical manuscript submission)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright oh revtex ;-) Everytime I look at the code I hope I don't have to debug it.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Well it's physics, so of course its REVTeX

@samcarter_left_tex.se Ah, cool: sounds fun (and expensive)

David Carlisle

09:45

@UlrikeFischer it started off so well, but then change of author and went downhill:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle and now we broke it ...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer ???

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@JosephWright ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright try

\documentclass{revtex4-2}

\begin{document}

\end{document}

(with dev)

David Carlisle

09:47

@PauloCereda 8249

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh the counter

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I wrote them already, so they are warned.

uhoh

@samcarter_left_tex.se Done!

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Q: Why are Delta Aquariids for the southern hemisphere while the Perseids are for the north?

In the video How to spot Comet NEOWISE, plus the largest 3D map of the Universe | Night Sky News July 20 after 05:28 Dr. Becky (Smethurst, Oxford astrophysicist) says: …and it just so happens that we’ll be passing through the debris trail of two of the comets whilst comet NEOWISE is going to be ...

@samcarter_left_tex.se yes I see what you mean!

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Ah, a \document redefinition

Paulo Cereda

10:03

@samcarter_left_tex.se ooh can I post about Red Dwarf? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :)

Rmano

@samcarter_left_tex.se oh wow

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright would you like some toast?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda OH MY

samcarter_left_tex.se

10:16

@PauloCereda Be prepared for migration to movies.se :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_left_tex.se oh no

@samcarter_left_tex.se I like how the first episode ever of Red Dwarf is named "The end". :)

@JosephWright "L3 goes fishing"

samcarter_left_tex.se

@PauloCereda certainly better than starting with episode number IV :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_left_tex.se ooh

Joseph Wright

@samcarter_left_tex.se Ah, well, that could work well if one left it there

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright Not a fan of the recent ones?

Joseph Wright

10:22

@samcarter_left_tex.se I'm not as down on them as some people, but I meant in the abstract, the original idea of simply starting at IV and leaving the earlier part 'for ever to the imagination' is probably stronger in artistic terms

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright The merchandise force was strong :) In general I found them entertaining enough to enjoy them, but they recycled a lot of the old ideas and jokes.

Paulo Cereda

Has anyone ever told you that the configuration and juxtaposition of your features is extraordinarily apposite?

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@samcarter_left_tex.se I had no idea!

Paulo Cereda

- Hey mr. duck, just take care of this very expensive equipment.
- Yes sir, don't worry.

[ LOUD AND BREAKING SOUNDS ]

- What happened?
- Oopsie. /quacks in despair

@samcarter_left_tex.se ^^ :)

I am just wondering: should I appear in the Zoom meeting webcam thingy wearing a silly hat?

> Hours of debugging can save minutes of reading the documentation.

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@DavidCarlisle ^^

Joseph Wright

10:38

TUG2020

►

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright William Robertson

FANTASTIC

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I know :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda ? I suppose I should watch the video?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle The video currently has Will's name on screen. :)

samcarter_left_tex.se

Why do I suddenly get upvotes for ancient answers on astro.se ?

Joseph Wright

10:42

@samcarter_left_tex.se It happens

@samcarter_left_tex.se Probably 'targetted upvoting'

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda ah.

Paulo Cereda

NOW WE HAVE TOM

samcarter_left_tex.se

@JosephWright yeah, I'm afraid that's probably true.

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@DavidCarlisle from my time at Overleaf, I remember that the revtex4-2 issues were very hard to fix...

Paulo Cereda

WAIT A MINUTE

That might be the Zoom name

So if I write "Wacky duck" instead of my name, it will appear like that!

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10:46

@JosephWright iirc (funny, I wasn't born yet), the film originally wasn't numbered IV, but only named Star Wars, episode IV and "A new Hope" was added to the title later.

Paulo Cereda

I click the Zoom link thingy, log into the app, but it tells me to wait... is this correct?!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright just hoping you don't encourage everyone to try learnlatex tomorrow and break the server:-) I have done some apt clean and made some more space just in case.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh let's break everything

samcarter_left_tex.se

@PauloCereda I don't think the host is already there

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_left_tex.se ooh

David Carlisle

10:48

@PauloCereda be polite you can't enter until you are invited in.

Joseph Wright

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz I know

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz But the conceit was brought in pretty early

@DavidCarlisle Soon find out

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh, but how do I know I am invited?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you'll be able to enter:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

samcarter_left_tex.se

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Paulo Cereda

10:50

@samcarter_left_tex.se OH MY

@samcarter_left_tex.se The amusing thing is that I had queueing theory as an undergraduate. :)

samcarter_left_tex.se

@PauloCereda Are you sure you aren't British?

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_left_tex.se ooh toodle pip

Paulo Cereda

13:32

Will posts link, I click and log in into the Zoom thingy to just realise the thingy will start in 3 hours...

I AM AN IDIOT

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda A Red Dwarf quote? Really?

Oh, never mind. I see there is... context. Sort of.

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha :)

Faheem Mitha

As long as we are clear that Red Dwarf doesn't actually have anything to do with astrophysics.

David Carlisle

15:38

@PauloCereda try now:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle are you in?

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes see title screen and Paulo (the other one) setting stuff up in his office (using zoom not youtube)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I'm now in too. they are speaking now ...

David Carlisle

yep

@PauloCereda is in now :-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle how can you see this?

David Carlisle

15:53

his name appeared as he joined and he spoke:-)

@PauloCereda will have to give the keynote with 30sec notice:-)

Paulo Cereda

16:15

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Joseph Wright

Everyone listening to the keynote?

Paulo Cereda

Yes!

David Carlisle

yep

Ulrike Fischer

who is typing in the background?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer not me: I'm muted

Paulo Cereda

16:16

Not me, I am muted too.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright must be someone on speaker panel, audience is muted anyway

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Joseph is in the panel.

:)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Ah, true

Paulo Cereda

Duck presence maximised

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I deliberately joined using the standard link, not the panel one

Yay, Rosetta Stone

Paulo Cereda

16:17

Yay, a stone!

This chat is way funnier. :)

Iced tea, anyone? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Tea good, ice-in-tea bad

@PauloCereda I have just bought some fresh tea leaves :)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright not Lipton, it's Leão (Lion in Portuguese), suitable for a TUG meeting. :)

@JosephWright ooh we need an infuser. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Whittard's

@PauloCereda Now that I have

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

Joseph Wright

Wonder what Khaled thinks of the Arabic decisions

89 people on the Zoom - must be getting on for a TUG record - as there is YouTube too

I see that despite my cunning login approach, I'm still on the panel tab

Kris Holmes is listening :)

Marcel Krüger

16:27

@JosephWright I think you have to logout of Zoom to become an attendee.

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger I'm not too worried, I just have to stay muted other than during my talk tomorrow

Paulo Cereda

@MarcelKrüger I saw you! :)

@JosephWright Or you were assigned as such. :)

Joseph Wright

Yay, font shaping has come up

Marcel Krüger

@PauloCereda Ooh

Paulo Cereda

@MarcelKrüger ooh

Marcel Krüger

16:33

@JosephWright I have a very similar example in my talk...

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger I can imagine

@MarcelKrüger I do like the fact he's mentioned getting experts on the various script types: I know Khaled has raised that recently w.r.t. Arabic

Paulo Cereda

I will talk about video games. :)

Marcel Krüger

@JosephWright And all the Indic scripts. I would love to speak with someone who writes Devanagari and can give me a bit more context about all these signs and shaping rules.

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger Indeed, sure: I guess that's subtly different to designing the fonts in the first place

Paulo Cereda

I don't have a bookshelf

Joseph Wright

16:44

@DavidCarlisle Clever question!

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright which one?

Joseph Wright

> for Latin fonts people have a very wide choice of font families, given the amount of work taken to produce noto, will it be feasible for others do do something similar or will multi-lingual printing move to a noto only monoculture?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright ah, that did go only to the vip

Paulo Cereda

wooo David

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Paulo N. is reading them out

Paulo Cereda

16:45

@JosephWright Yep :)

samcarter_left_tex.se

@MarcelKrüger Maybe talk to the people at topanswers.xyz/tex-mar-deva ?

Paulo Cereda

FRANK'S GARDEN

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :)

Paulo Cereda

ooh @MarcelKrüger

oopsie that was me

TeXnician

Seen the [-1cm] in the title metadata of the accessibility talk's slides? Accessible metadata are hard :)

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samcarter_left_tex.se

16:55

@TeXnician :)

Paulo Cereda

These Paulos are confusing :)

samcarter_left_tex.se

@PauloCereda Can we number them?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Too many Pauloz

2

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright LOL

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Channelling en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Many_Zooz

@TeXnician :)

Paulo Cereda

16:59

@JosephWright ooh

Joseph Wright

So currently around 120 people watching

David Carlisle

it stopped? or just me

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Nope, it's stopped

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle no I have no video either

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I feel for Paulo N.

Paulo Cereda

17:09

@JosephWright and poor Paulo C.?

Sound okay?

Naughty naughty

Stefan Kottwitz

17:25

@PauloCereda Challenging

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz indeed

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Do you hear sound right now?

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz Yes, I do

yo'

@JosephWright Where is @DavidCarlisle to suggest one of them renames to Dinner?

Paulo Cereda

I am nervous

@yo' ooh Paulo N. obviously

jokerdino

17:35

All the best, you can do it!

Paulo Cereda

@jokerdino <3

Marcel Krüger

@PauloCereda Good luck!

Paulo Cereda

@MarcelKrüger Thanks! <3

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda the Bär is watching ...

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Marcel Krüger

17:40

@UlrikeFischer We want him on video!

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger no idea how to make a video, but I can ask my husband to make a foto ...

Why is there no count down??

Paulo Cereda

I am online!

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samcarter_left_tex.se

This talk is brilliant!

David Carlisle

@samcarter_left_tex.se I hope he's on commission from Nintendo

jokerdino

side question, how can I tune in preferably without logging in?

David Carlisle

17:53

@jokerdino youtube is live streaming it (im on zoom which requires login)

TUG2020

►

jokerdino

much thanks

samcarter_left_tex.se

@DavidCarlisle I feel the overwhelming need to buy something from Nintendo :)

David Carlisle

@samcarter_left_tex.se do they sell roasting ovens?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Ulrike Fischer

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Paulo Cereda

17:58

ooh

samcarter_left_tex.se

@UlrikeFischer The guest of honour !

David Carlisle

booo

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle <3

Ulrike Fischer

@samcarter_left_tex.se ;-) But I since I used my headset for some time (because there was noise outside) I can't get rid of the message that my microphone doesn't work.

samcarter_left_tex.se

@UlrikeFischer I know this problem. For teaching I connect my digital pencil to a second computer, which does not have audio - it shows a similar message the whole time

Paulo Cereda

18:06

@DavidCarlisle <3

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle you were mentioned

Phelype Oleinik

“longtable is awesome” :-)

David Carlisle

it's so intuitive no one needs the doc

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Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle but it is so good prose

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer the longtable example in colortbl is better coloured

Paulo Cereda

18:07

@DavidCarlisle ooh

David Carlisle

18:18

is it emacs?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda excellent audio and voice!

wtsnjp

@PauloCereda Thanks for your nice talk!

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yo'

So nice @PauloCereda ! (I didn't know ducks know how to go live :-) )

Paulo Cereda

@wtsnjp <3 Thank YOU very much, you helped me set the tone for the talk. :)

@yo' quack <3

michal.h21

18:29

@PauloCereda really nice talk!

samcarter_left_tex.se

@PauloCereda Fantastic talk!!!

Paulo Cereda

@michal.h21 <3

@samcarter_left_tex.se <3

Gaussler

18:46

Why does the following not work?

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\def\foo#1#2{%
\def\foobar{#2}%
\foobar
}

\foo{T}{V##1}

\end{document}

Why does this not produce VT?

barbara beeton

18:59

@MarcelKrüger -- The list of advisers at the end listed Fiona Ross. She has worked extensively in the design of Indian fonts, including Devanagari. I attended a talk she gave a few years ago on the subject, and it was both informative and very enjoyable. She now works with Tiro Typeworks, and can probably be reached through them.

David Carlisle

@Gaussler it doesn't use #1 at all, so it's clear you wouldn't get T what happens to ##2 is trickier

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle But \foo{T}{V#1} does not work either

How can I write something in the second argument to get the T?

David Carlisle

@Gaussler you need to pass the argument to foobar (if I understand the question)

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I know that would work. I just don’t get why the other thing would not

I mean, #2 contains something that expands to #1

David Carlisle

@Gaussler the replacement of #2 by the second argument isn't expansion.

Gaussler

19:10

@DavidCarlisle \cs_set:Npo does not do the trick either, so expansion does not solve the problem

David Carlisle

@Gaussler the #1 of \foo is replaced by T in the body of \foo's replacement text but never in its arguments so using a macro with an l3 name is no different to using one without, the T is not there.

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle The important thing was the o in \cs_set:Npo. You said that replacing arguments by their values does not expand anything. I said that expanding the stuff did not do anything either

David Carlisle

@Gaussler no I said it wasn't expansion.

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I get it. Thanks anyway :-)

David Carlisle

@Gaussler it is a different mechanism at a different time, so edef, expandafter etc don't have any effect on it

Paulo Cereda

19:27

Guys, is the TUG schedule correct?

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Did you miss the TeX in church talk an hour ago?

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz oh no

/quacks in despair

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz you are looking at the old one, he's on later: tug.org/tug2020/program.html

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda I hope so, I'm expecting your second talk in 2 hours.

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer <3

Stefan Kottwitz

19:36

@DavidCarlisle made fun with Paulo

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz don't confuse ducks they are confused enough already

@Gaussler this perhaps?

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\def\foo#1#2{%
\edef\foobar##1##2{#2}%
\foobar{#1}{#2}%
}

\foo{T}{V#1}

\end{document}

Stefan Kottwitz

@DavidCarlisle Waiting for Nintendo Animal Crossing: New Horizons in church

@DavidCarlisle confuse times confuse makes crystal clear

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz good plan.

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz :)

@StefanKottwitz @DavidCarlisle the best part was PN using "deserve" instead of "require" in his introduction about me. :)

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz fingers crossed that Joseph doesn't persuade hundreds of people to all try latexcgi.xyz all at the same time tomorrow morning, might be an interesting experiment in server load:-)

Stefan Kottwitz

19:44

@DavidCarlisle You just did the planning

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I already mentioned LearnLaTeX. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@DavidCarlisle Is it live (so we all test latexcgi.xyz at the talk time ;-) ) or a recording?

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz the talk is a recording but the audience could follow along in real time

Stefan Kottwitz

@DavidCarlisle Yes, you may have a hundred testers, probably not in the same seconds

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer one for you:

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Q: Who cares about metadata?

I do add metadata to my LaTeX documents since more than a decade. hyperref and hyperxmp provide an interface to do so. Recently the possibilities have expanded with hyperxmp. You can add more and more stuff. In theory, this looks great. I started asking myself who actually uses this metadata. Tag...

metadata accessibility pdf-a hyperxmp

@StefanKottwitz if it crashes I'll blame @UlrikeFischer.

Ulrike Fischer

19:51

@DavidCarlisle I saw it, but I'm just fighting with a plot that don't want to show the values of last week ...

David Carlisle

here we go again....

linda Oiladali

20:24

hello, how are you ?

please how to do something like this

David Carlisle

@lindaOiladali cancel package

linda Oiladali

how to make 0 ?

David Carlisle

@lindaOiladali possibly just ^{0} (we are all watching the tug conference live stream at present, bad time to ask questions:-)

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linda Oiladali

thank you I found it here. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/12723/…

manooooh

20:44

@DavidCarlisle <3

manooooh

20:58

@PauloCereda thanks for the talk! What you were saying was perfectly understood (for non-English speakers)

Is your next video-talk on the hands of the moderator? Be ready!

Paulo Cereda

@manooooh Gracias. :)

@manooooh Mine? I am ready, I guess. :)

manooooh

Niceee

David Carlisle

21:44

spam alert

Rmano

Try to follow a bit, but I have no bandwidth here in the semi wilderness in Northern Spain... So I'll watch it later, I hope the link will be made available. Have a nice TUG everybody!

yo'

22:16

@Rmano there'ss surely be the youtube links

Alan Munn

22:37

Sometimes nothing seems to work. #macwoes

Paulo Cereda

22:52

@AlanMunn ouch, what happened? :(

yo'

23:04

@AlanMunn :(

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda well my Mac mini was massively corrupted in ways I’ve never seen before. Then it took forever to get a version of High Sierra to download because Apple doesn’t like Firefox and I didn’t think to use Safari.

And in an unrelated but worse problem Time Machine has forgotten all my backups and wants to start over even though they are all there on the drive.

nbro

23:40

I am using this solution tex.stackexchange.com/a/44835/63097, but the braces are not at the same height

is there a way to have them at the same height?

well, I guess it's fine like this

but is there a way to have them at the same height?

yo'

Too tired, I'll have to finish Ross's talk another day. Have a good night all and see you in the morning!

David Carlisle

23:58

@nbro put a zero width rule of a specified depth n each

nbro

you mean something like [depth]?

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