@marmot I should also go there and buy chelated iron to reduce the chlorine in the drinking water used to water the flowers in my little garden :-). I'm afraid that if I edit my question again someone will get angry with me. Do you want me to explain it to you here in chat? Greetings.
@Sebastiano as long as your edit doesn't change the subject of the question but only makes it clear what you initially meant, edit the question. If you need to change the subject, ask a follow-up question.
@Sebastiano if it renders already given answers invalid which would otherwise be valid, you should ask a new question and link to the old one. A follow-up is always a new question, which should link to the old one.
@Skillmon In my humble opinion, the changes I made to my question did not conflict with the answers already given. Am I also interested in your opinion? Have you seen my second edit?
@Skillmon This will clearly win a lot of Academy Awards (just sad that there is no music, but clearly the actress, the director and the playwriter will win Oscars).
I would like to draw a line where 0 is an fixed accumulation point in \mathbb{R} where the points thicken near it and leave a small trace where you can see the shift to the left of the points.
Point 1 instead is an isolated point always fixed. My graph is simply made with Mathcha. I was wonderi...
@manooooh Fun story: I'm in charge of making a thesis template (still) and it has to have a Word version as well. I tried to use this WordTeX thing. It works (in the limitations of Word) as is. As soon as you try to change the appearance of the document hell breaks loose (or I am just too stupid to MS Word).
@manooooh why should I hate it? I have used it to read a few documents that I have been sent in that format, but never written anything in it, but why should I mind if other people use it for writing documents, and I have met people on the team responsible for the math editing in Word, they did a pretty good job to be honest, given the constraint of working in that user interface. Also if you use math typesetting in luatex or xetex you mostly have the word math team to thank.
@manooooh that does not follow at all. I quite like tex, but I use it for very few documents personally,and why should I mind if several orders of magnitude more people use Word, the fact that one youtube video shows a one word template for scientific document hardly affects the balance of users, Word has vastly more users than TeX, that is hardly news.
Suppose that for general purposes, people start to use MS Word. Then LaTeX will die for most of people; there would be few people supporting LaTeX. I don't think that you want LaTeX to be die. Me neither
I was watching the lecture by Jim Weirich, titled 'Adventures in Functional Programming'. In this lecture, he introduces the concept of Y-combinators, which essentially finds the fixed point for higher order functions.
One of the motivations, as he mentions it, is to be able to express recursive...
It's a great answer. I'm always trying to convince my students that names are fundamentally meaningless. I suspect though that this way will not end up convincing them more easily.
@UlrikeFischer -- That's one determined turtle! Go, turtle! (It's not entirely clear, though, whether it's a swimming turtle or a walking tortoise. A swimmer might go even faster for a short distance.)
@touhami Do you think you could help out this person? tex.stackexchange.com/q/494419/2693 I tried to help her, but arabtex is really out of my area of knowledge.
@AlanMunn citing the author (from the comments section on youtube): "Yes, I actually use this for assignments." (source: youtube.com/…). So one could argue that it is not pure commedy
@DavidCarlisle that gent bestow'd upon the native english speaketh'rs many new w'rds not then in popular usage
@Skillmon Maybe, but from the abstract of the paper: "It is both stupidly impractical and surprisingly useful, offering an editing experience that is initially more enjoyable than LATEX and Word but is asymptotically more complicated than either. "
@PhelypeOleinik -- Thanks for the link. It's quite an amazing instrument! (But it doesn't have 64ft pipes. I first encountered those in Salt Lake City, at a Mormon center. You don't hear them, really, but you certainly feel the vibrations!) A long time ago I was a page-turner a couple of times for an organist, sitting on a corner of the bench; definitely exciting, and had to be careful to keep my feet out of the way. Any time you get a chance to explore the inside of a pipe chamber, take it!
You have byte 147 in your file without declaring an input encoding, previously this would silently fall through and make whatever character happened to be in that position in the font encoding.
From this year latex assumes UTF-8 if no encoding is specified and so this fails,
you can add
\UseRa...
then I get no errors but "¿" is translated as "£"
@manooooh the OP in that question did not have a UTF-8 file, so it broke when latex switched to utf-8 default, that answer told him how to go back to the old default. You have a utf 8 file so nothing in that answer is relevant
P.S. I am importing the code from a file, using \lstinputlisting
nono. I want a simpler solution (in other documents I have used `literate` and it worked, for example `literate= *{“}{\odblq}{1} {”}{\cdblq}{1}` worked)
I want "¿" to be written the same as e.g. \'a is á
well you could try using \textquestiondown but listings really doesn't work with utf-8 as far as I can se why is not using a package that documents itself as a fix to listings to work with utf-8 more complicated?
@manooooh no, why would it work? That isn't a command at all.
@manooooh utf8 is loaded, but it's a genral fact that latex command names have to be ascii letters, to plain tex ¿ is three non-ascii letters
@manooooh yes and it fairly clearly documents that it doesn't really work with extended character sets. listingsutf8 is a wrapper around it that tries to fix the main failings
@DavidCarlisle yes. But \'a works, so in the same way I tried with \¿ so see if worked but it didn't
@DavidCarlisle however, if \usepackage{listingsutf8} is loaded and \usepackage{listings} deleted, and commented literate={¿}{\textquestiondown}1 then I get the same errors
@manooooh \' is a command with a single character name ' that generates an accent. \¿ is nothing like that at all It is like \á which is also a syntax error
@UlrikeFischer what do I know about these funny characters:-)
@UlrikeFischer I really should fix listings to work with utf8 (I gave some code to the minted maintainer ages ago which I think he included in his fancyverb extension that backs minted:-)
@DavidCarlisle Do you see a system that is going to supersede LaTeX at the horizon? (I guess it will be tough given that some fair amount of people are familiar enough with LaTeX such that they may not easily switch.)
@marmot it's politics not technology though. If for example one of the open source office suites gets math that is "good enough" then if journals start accepting it then things could very rapidly change, who knows what microsoft will do, not many would have predicted a decade ago that they would open source .net or put a full linux kernel in default windows builds...
.. but still I would expect that latex is still the dominant technical typesetting system in ten years time. 50 years, less clear.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but will be there something that emulates LaTeX but does no longer have the restrictions on maximal dimensions, computational speed and accuracy and so on? I mean without calling some directlua or whatsoever?
@manooooh I believe that whatever the arXiv will decide will have a major impact on all of us. At this point they do not even support lualatex, so for many this is not an option.
@marmot possibly who knows, perhaps the next generation thinks typing instructions into a text file is just too arcane to contemplate. Personally I use latex a lot less because I use pdf less and paper hardly at all, so typesetting is of interest but not actually a practical concern
@manooooh a programming language with (what is now considered) normal syntax (like javascript if you want to think of it that way) it also has metapost
@manooooh Ironically most of tikz-feynman relies on graph drawing algorithms that require lualatex. That is, one physicist had nothing better to do than to write a package that relies on stuff that very likely will not be supported on a forum run by another physicist.
@manooooh Yes, sure. But this shows what the challenge is, I think. Come up with something that is harmless enough that arXiv will use it and at the same time powerful.
@DavidCarlisle is it really necessary? With that feature, will many more documents be published? Is it really an impediment not to implement that feature?
@manooooh nothing is necessary when I was using latex a lot no one used tikz, and almost all documents used the standard computer modern fonts. but times move on and people's expectation changes
@manooooh luatex provides callbacks so that most of the core algorithms in tex can be over-written, so for example if you do npt like tex's default line breaking algorithm you (or at least someone) can write a line breaking algorithm in lua and plug it in. In theory you could write a new algorithm in C or web and make a new version of pdftex but that would be much harder to distribute. so then users write documents as normal but with better line breaking, no syntax change in document
@marmot of course, this site is designed to ask those things. But I think we need to wath the global scope. To say a number, I would say that people exchanging knowledge about lualatex, or even talking about lualatex is approx 5K (I'm being generous, it could be 1K). We are 7B people in the world
@manooooh well for a start if you are writing in a non latin character set pdftex is not really usable. So that's something like half the worlds population
@manooooh Yes, sure, but we are concerned here about LaTeX users. And a rather reasonable assumption might be that their wishes/expectations correlate with the posts (and perhaps even votes) on this site.
@manooooh they are not magic and they do not work for people using non latin alphabet (look I wrote the utf8 support in inputenc, I know what it does and what its limitations are:-)
@marmot as for \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} that isn't majic it is saying that you are using a particular restricted font encoding only useful for languages developed in western europe. It doesn't even cover eastern europe, never mind Greek, or Cyrillic, or Arabic, or Chinese or ...
If you allow me to change the subject, I would like to know if it is possible to copy a code that is separated into 2 (or more) lines as a single one. This image corresponds to a fragment of code made in listings:
@UlrikeFischer I never looked in detail, but you basically "just" need to detect the inputenc start character at the lowest level of listings scanning and make it grab the right number of bytes and pass through as a unit from then on... how hard can it be:-)
I would like to draw a line where 0 is an fixed accumulation point in \mathbb{R} where the points thicken near it and leave a small trace where you can see the shift to the left of the points.
Point 1 instead is an isolated point always fixed. My graph is simply made with Mathcha. I was wonderi...
You have byte 147 in your file without declaring an input encoding, previously this would silently fall through and make whatever character happened to be in that position in the font encoding.
From this year latex assumes UTF-8 if no encoding is specified and so this fails,
you can add
\UseRa...
