TeX, LaTeX and Friends

JouleV

3:38 AM

@marmot "only" 86670 points more :))

marmot

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@JouleV Yes, then you will also (^^^) have the comma at the right position. ;-)

JouleV

@marmot If you gain 882290 points, you won't have the correct comma anymore

marmot

@JouleV Yes. But there is no danger of that happening.

JouleV

@marmot But there will, in the near future, for sure

marmot

3:53 AM

@JouleV Probably not. Will go hibernate now... ;-)

JouleV

@marmot It will, like this

@marmot Have a good hibernation :))

Henri Menke

7:11 AM

Is anyone using the PGF/TikZ unofficial TeX Live repository already?

Paulo Cereda

8:02 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Skillmon

8:59 AM

@HenriMenke sorry, I'm using the git version and added it as an auxtree.

Joseph Wright

9:13 AM

@UlrikeFischer, @DavidCarlisle I know understand now hypdvips breaks links. I've almost got something working, but I need to start from the working code and cut down: debugging PostScript is pretty tricky

@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer Probably a checkin by the end of the day

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright aha. Do non-argument grabbing links really don't work with dvips? I have been pondering about the contentsline stuff and hooks in general and wonder how something like \hookatstart some content \hookatend could turn the content in a link.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright do you have an interactive gs installed, lets you print the stack (stack command or dup =) used to find that invaluable....

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer It all looks good to me thus-far

@UlrikeFischer I've not looked at TOC stuff, but really grabbing everything seems to be the only way

@UlrikeFischer You need to know the size of the link, at least as a starting point, even if you are using the breaking code. So you have to box something up ...

@DavidCarlisle Like I said, I've taken hypdivps, which works, and am slowly editing in a test document to get it down to the minimum and into expl3. I think now I understand how it works, I need only a few hours to do that

David Carlisle

@JosephWright you've an hour and a half before the call: plenty of time:-)

Joseph Wright

9:28 AM

@UlrikeFischer I have a feeling we might want to make the driver type e.g. link, dest and possibly have a generic one. That then makes it a bit easier to include eg. /Subtype/Link without being repetitive

Paulo Cereda

9:52 AM

15 Apr 2019

Tweeted by duckoftheday on April 15, 2019 at 9:47 AM

^^ ooh @JosephWright

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright do you need to know the width or the height/depth of the link (or both)?

Paulo Cereda

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@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright ^^

David Carlisle

10:08 AM

@PauloCereda good to see you are keeping up to date with important British news.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

CarLaTeX

11:08 AM

@DavidCarlisle Btw, you're still a EU citizen!

David Carlisle

11:19 AM

@CarLaTeX hopefully next year as well :-)

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle I think there is the possibility :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Prabhjot Singh

12:06 PM

@FaheemMitha Hope you are fine. Got your message. I'll talk to you later,

Prabhjot Singh

12:51 PM

I tried to push footnotes at the end of document by enotez, pagenote and endnotes without success. I tried with following
\let\footnote\endnote
\let\footnote=\endnote

gparyani

Could a 10k+ user please let me know if this answer was deleted by the author, or by a mod? It seems they may be deleting and undeleting in order to automatically clear flags.

David Carlisle

@gparyani by owner

gparyani

@DavidCarlisle Thanks.

Faheem Mitha

1:10 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Ok.

egreg

1:33 PM

@PrabhjotSingh \usepackage{endnotes}\let\footnote\endnote usually works.

Prabhjot Singh

At the end of document, I should use \theendnotes?

egreg

@PrabhjotSingh Yes.

Prabhjot Singh

\c@subsubsection=\count82
\c@paragraph=\count83
\c@subparagraph=\count84
\c@figure=\count85
\c@table=\count86
\abovecaptionskip=\skip41
\belowcaptionskip=\skip42
\bibindent=\dimen102
)

! LaTeX Error: File `endnotes.sty' not found.

Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed,
or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)

Enter file name:
(./footnotes.aux)
\openout1 = `footnotes.aux'.

LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OML/cmm/m/it on input line 5.
LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 5.

@egreg I sent you log file.

endnotes.sty is not missing,in fact. `locate 'endnotes.sty' `
`/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/lwarp/lwarp-endnotes.sty`

David Carlisle

@PrabhjotSingh that is not endotes.sty that is endotes customisation for the lwarp tex to html convertor

Faheem Mitha

@PrabhjotSingh You need to install texlive-latex-extra on Debian and its derivatives.

Prabhjot Singh

1:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle How can I get endnotes.sty?

Faheem Mitha

@PrabhjotSingh apt-get install texlive-latex-extra

Prabhjot Singh

That worked. @FaheemMitha

Skillmon

Why is revtex so evil? It breaks afterpage. How is one supposed to trick its horrible float mechanics if one can't use afterpage?

Prabhjot Singh

@DavidCarlisle and @egreg for your help.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon because I ran out of time and money and Art O. took it over:-)

Skillmon

1:48 PM

@PrabhjotSingh /jokingly apt-get remove texlive then install vanilla TeXLive

@DavidCarlisle you don't maintain afterpage anymore?

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I was wondering which debian package it was in

@Skillmon I was talking about revtex

Ulrike Fischer

Jul 21 '17 at 14:00, by David Carlisle

@daleif anything good or bad that happens after you use \afterpage is not my fault:-)

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle you did create this mess?

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle dlocate works. Or dpkg -S. I take it you're not a regular Debian user.

Of course, you need to have dlocate installed.

@Skillmon Don't tell him to do that. He might actually do it.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha when I had a linux box at home I was, but mostly we are fedora around here, and this machine is cygwin/windows

Skillmon

1:49 PM

@UlrikeFischer the problem is not really afterpage, the problem is that everything you pass to \afterpage is flushed to the end of the document.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Ah.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha I was hoping that "/jokingly" would be enough of a warning.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon One would hope so.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh Fedora

Prabhjot Singh

@Skillmon Vanilla is better?

Skillmon

1:57 PM

@PrabhjotSingh imho, it is easier to maintain and way more recent. The Debian version is usually years behind (don't know on which version it currently is -- I'm no Debian or Debian derived distro user).

Prabhjot Singh

@Skillmon I use Fedora 29. But that machine is gone for repair.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon I think that depends a bit which update channel you are on for debian itself, the stable releases are of course older but the unstable ones can be ahead of vanilla as Norbert does both and the debian ones are not tied to the texlive annual release

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle ok, didn't consider unstable...

@DavidCarlisle any idea how I can force a float at full width at the top of the following page in revtex4-2?

David Carlisle

@Skillmon no:-) (I try to avoid looking at revtex)

\onepage\twopage[ a float] two column stuff ?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle so did I, but unfortunately there is a user on Overleaf who uses it. I placed the float manually quite reasonable, but the user changed the position and messed up tremendously. Let's just say, I'm not happy right now, thanks to revtex.

@DavidCarlisle ??

Prabhjot Singh

2:07 PM

One more thing. xelatex gives double quotes but pdflatex doesn't. Why?

Off to home now.

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle Oh, it uses atbegshi, I can hook into that.

Faheem Mitha

3:31 PM

@Skillmon The ones in stable can end up being quite old. Like 2 years old. But most of the time TeX Live is not hard to backport. Except for pesky things like biber.

And people do use testing, which is generally reasonably current except during the freeze.

Personally I plan to continue using those packages as long as they are being produced.

Which isn't exactly a given. It's not clear who would pick it up if Norbert dropped it.

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha you could do that or... install vanilla. :)

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda Yes, I'm aware that's an option.

I like using Debian packages. They do all the work for me.

Does vanilla usually get installed as root or user?

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha you can pick up your poison. :) I usually go system-wide.

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda I see. Yes, Debian packages just feel... safer.

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon: today in the morning I went jogging and saw a bunny!

Skillmon

3:43 PM

@FaheemMitha all of my packages wouldn't be included...

@PauloCereda was it tasty?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon oh no

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Hmm? Why not?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon that was very carlislean of you. :)

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda Did it see you too?

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha apparently yes. :)

Skillmon

3:44 PM

@FaheemMitha because I published the first one in end of September 2017.

@FaheemMitha My first ever packages are older, but those aren't published to CTAN and hence not included in TeXLive or MikTeX

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Presumably they will be published in TeX Live eventually.

The Debian package really isn't wildly out of date, like lots of people seem to think. Norbert sometimes packages the development version too. Probably not a great idea, and I'm not sure why he does it. Perhaps he gets bored.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha nope. Those are templates for the institute I wrote my bachelor's thesis at. There are already enough bad templates around, no need to publish mine for the entirety of TeXLive

@FaheemMitha though I might eventually publish packages containing code of these... But first I have to get things sorted with hacking longtable, and that requires me to actually tackle that, which I evade since a full year or so.

Avantgarde

@DavidCarlisle Yeah .. I've figured it out. Thanks!

Skillmon

@PauloCereda you know that I like the taste of rabbits and ducks.

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon :)

Faheem Mitha

3:49 PM

@Skillmon I hear they are tasty.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha they are. Rabbit with pepper cream sauce is great.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Sounds yummy. Not sure what pepper cream sauce is, though.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha it's delicious, isn't it obvious?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh Rabbitmitcayennesaucethingy

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Not haven't tasted it, it isn't obvious.

Skillmon

3:51 PM

@FaheemMitha it's just a sauce made from cream and loads of pepper.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Yes, I see.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha but if I say "Rabbit with pepper cream sauce is great", then it's obvious that pepper cream sauce is delicious.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Ok.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha and the pepper isn't ground pepper but the whole corns.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Sounds tricky. How about people with bronchial issues etc.?

Skillmon

3:55 PM

@FaheemMitha in Germany we're healthy :) just kidding. Never thought of it. But the pepper is cooked in the cream, just a bit spicy, and you don't have to eat the corns, the sauce taste great without them.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon I see.

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha I know many people who leave them out. Personally I always eat them, I just really like the taste.

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon I tolerate pepper poorly myself. Which is why I mentioned it. It makes me cough.

Speaking of Norbert, news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18923677

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Not really sure what to make of this...

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha even if cooked and in the meal? That's very unfortunate, pepper is like in 130% of the German dishes (except for sweet dishes).

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon I forget, but probably yes.

Skillmon

4:04 PM

@FaheemMitha epoch of the lunatics...

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon And why is pepper so popular? I mean, it's ok, but I don't particularly feel that it's something that is missing from my life.

Then again, I feel the same way about alcohol...

Skillmon

@FaheemMitha I understand if one doesn't drink alcohol (though I like the taste of beer), but pepper tastes great, and almost every dish tastes better with pepper, imho :) Can't really tell why it is so popular, it just is and I never questioned it. Gives your meal a more round taste. Adding bitter compounds to your meal, being slightly hot... Just a good mixture of attributes.

barbara beeton

4:23 PM

@Skillmon -- You're referring to "ordinary" black or white (or maybe pink) peppercorns, not "hot" peppers. There's a big difference! I can't cope with the hot variety -- they give me "pizza effect". And once when I tried to make chili con carne using pasilla chili that I had recently acquired on a road trip from the east to west coast, it rusted the inside of a cast iron dutch oven i was cooking it in. Beware!

Faheem Mitha

@Skillmon Maybe I'll try it sometime. Perhaps if/when I visit Germany.

And I don't think I've met a great variety of peppercorns in my life. Mostly just the ordinary black variety.

Skillmon

@barbarabeeton yes, pepper corn, not chilli pepper.

@barbarabeeton sorry if I was ambiguous.

barbara beeton

@Skillmon -- The type of pepper was obvious to me, but my family was German. I don't think I even met a chili pepper (or even Hungarian paprika, which is mildly spicy and very good) until I was in college.

Skillmon

@barbarabeeton Beeton doesn't sound too German, though :)

barbara beeton

@Skillmon -- That's my husband, whose ancestors were Swedish and Scots. Does "Neuhaus" sound more likely?

Skillmon

4:35 PM

@barbarabeeton yes, sounds more like my neighbours (not direct neighbours, but a bit down the hill there was a family with this name in my childhoods neighbourhood).

Paulo Cereda

5:04 PM

@barbarabeeton: trivia: do you know how red pepper is called in Brazil?

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- Well, there's "pimiento", but I'm not sure.

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton That's Spanish, I guess. :) Pepper is pimenta, but red pepper is popularly called as dedo-de-moça (literally lady's finger)

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- Oh, my! That's a rather heated description!

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton :)

yo'

5:24 PM

@barbarabeeton :)

Paulo Cereda

NOTRE DAME ON FIRE

/sob

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda OMG

Paulo Cereda

6:10 PM

Something wacky is coming soon!

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton my husband asks me to tell you "Ein Mönchengladbacher Fußballer heißt Neuhaus!"

barbara beeton

6:39 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- Aha! Very interesting! (Grandpa Neuhaus came from somewhere near Leipzig.) What about Schlag? Or Ruehl? (Those were my mother's father and mother, respectively.) Grossmom Schlag's family lived in a suburb of Frankfurt, and I believe there may still be some distant relatives in that area. (One of my nephews is working on the genealogy.)

marmot

Neuhaus (Schliersee)

Neuhaus ist ein Ortsteil des oberbayerischen Marktes Schliersee im Landkreis Miesbach. == Geographie == Neuhaus liegt südlich des Schliersees im Alpenvorland zwischen den benachbarten Ortsteilen Fischhausen (das am Südufer des Schliersees liegt) und Josefsthal. Südlich finden sich die Berge Brecherspitz, Spitzingsee-Plateau und Jägerkamp. == Geschichte == Als Tor zum Skigebiet Spitzingsee war Neuhaus vor und nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg wichtige Bahnstation, vom Ortsteil Josefstal aus führte eine Seilbahn zum Spitzingsee hinauf. Später kamen viele Jugendliche nach Neuhaus, nachdem sowohl...

@barbarabeeton ^^^^ @UlrikeFischer

barbara beeton

@marmot -- Interesting. Thanks. When Grandpa Neuhaus emigrated to the U.S., his brother emigrated east. He became a rather well-known piano teacher, and some eminent Russian pianists were taught by his son, "G. Neigaus" (there's no "h" in Russian), also a piano teacher.

marmot

@barbarabeeton I see. No chocolate, then? ;-)

Neuhaus (chocolatier)

Neuhaus is a notable Belgian chocolatier which manufactures and sells luxury chocolates, chocolate truffles, biscuits and ice cream. The company was founded in 1857 by Jean Neuhaus, a Swiss immigrant, who opened the first store in the Galeries Royales Saint-Hubert in central Brussels. In 1912, his grandson, Jean Neuhaus II, invented the chocolate praline, a decadent chocolate cream ganache center inside a chocolate shell, the original filled chocolate.Today, Neuhaus has over 1,500 selling points in 50 countries. All Neuhaus products are still made in Vlezenbeek, near Brussels, and are exported...

Paulo Cereda

OOH CHOCOLATE

marmot

@PauloCereda More than 10 secs. Are you getting old? ;-)

TeXnician

6:53 PM

A user created the tag tcbposter. Do you think we need this in addition to the tcolorbox tag? Basically it's just a library and we do not create one tag per tikz library either…

barbara beeton

@marmot -- No, no chocolate. They're Belgian. Good chocolate, although I like Callebaut better.

marmot

@TeXnician Well, there is tikz-graphdrawing and so on, so there are examples of a tag for a tikz library.

TeXnician

@marmot There is even tikz-graphs which mentions that it should be used for the graphdrawing library as well ;)

Paulo Cereda

@marmot I was looking for my CAPS

marmot

@barbarabeeton I don't know, I have spent too much time in Switzerland to be able to appreciate Belgium's chocolates, and too much time in upper Bavaria to be able to value their beers. ;-)

TeXnician

6:56 PM

@marmot Well, actually there are quite a few examples for tikz libraries even without the tikz prefix (spy for example). But actually I don't think this tag does add anything to the combination of the tags tcolrobox and posters.

marmot

@TeXnician This might well be, i.e. I do not disagree with you, just want to say that the argument "There are also no tags for single tikz libraries" may not convince everyone....

TeXnician

@marmot That's a good point :)

Paulo Cereda

ooh tags

marmot

@PauloCereda Montag, Dienstag etc. Today is Montag.

Paulo Cereda

@marmot ooh das ist sehr komplicated

marmot

7:04 PM

@PauloCereda kompliziert

Paulo Cereda