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4:20 AM
@moewe, do you feel like offering an opinion on this issue? github.com/dcpurton/biblatex-sbl/issues/92
 
4:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle After about half a year I saw that you commented on my XeTeXemulate.sty Gist on GitHub. Unfortunately, GitHub does not provide notifications for comments on Gists. Thank you very much for your constructive suggestions. I updated the code: gist.github.com/hmenke/6e8ff7c90a5e5df3c4895f60059a2ef7
@DavidCarlisle On top of that arXiv does not offer RevTeX 4.2 yet. I emailed their support and they replied that they will only provide RevTeX 4.2 when they update their TeX Live installation the next time, which might take a couple of years!
 
5:06 AM
@HenriMenke Do you really like the revtex class? Or even recommend it?
 
@marmot To submit to Physical Review I always use the RevTeX class.
 
@HenriMenke They also accept other styles. If I remember correctly, you only need to specify the arXiv number. (And I actually dislike their format very much when refereeing.)
 
5:27 AM
@marmot I think it is quite useful because you get a good feeling for how many pages the published version will have.
 
@HenriMenke AFAIK offers PRL a tool that allows you to judge if the text fits their requirement without actually having to use revtex. For PRD there is no strict length constraint, and I guess that applies to PRC etc., too.
 
@marmot It was probably more useful back in the day when APS actually used TeX to typeset Physical Review.
 
@HenriMenke Could be. I was just forced to write joint grant proposals with version 4.0, an experience that lasts.
 
 
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7:43 AM
@HenriMenke did I? I'd better go and look what I said:-)
@HenriMenke ah that, Yes I have suspicions that such a package might become important at some point
 
8:08 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle ooh cat
 
 
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12:51 PM
I'm seeing some references to Norway+ (wrt to Brexit, obviously). Since this room seems quite EU-centric, can someone explain to me what this means?
 
@FaheemMitha Norway chose to stay out of the EU but has a very close arrangement which means that for most purposes it acts as if it is in, in particular it follows eu rules on freedom of movement and trade and stuff, so one possibility for the UK was to take that agreement and change it a bit to fit the UK as needed (hence Norway+) but it's not popular with hardline brexit supporters who see it as following all of the rules, without being able to set any rules
 
@DavidCarlisle I see. Thank you for the explanation. And how is the national mood right now? Or at any rate, where you are?
 
@FaheemMitha depressed
 
@DavidCarlisle :-(
Why did Norway choose to follow that route instead of just joining the EU?
 
@FaheemMitha They had a referendum and did what the people voted.....
 
12:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see. Hmm, I wonder if most people understand what they are voting for.
 
@FaheemMitha most people have no idea what they are voting for, I know nothing about Norway's vote (it was a long while ago, similar time as when UK joined) but certainly here the main thing people were voting for was "make Britain great again" and "take control of our borders" Sentiments that also seem popular in another country....
 
@DavidCarlisle I think the British still miss their Empire. Some of them, anyway. Nobody else does, however.
 
@FaheemMitha you mean it's gone? oh no!
 
And I'm not sure how leaving the EU would do either of those things.
@DavidCarlisle That seems to be the prevailing opinion.
It's actually hard for external observers to remember that the UK is part of the EU.
In many way, it seems quite... independent. E.g. Pounds Sterling.
Hmm, once upon a time, a long long time ago, the pound actually was a pound. A pound of silver, that is. At least according to Wikipedia.
 
1:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle Same time: they were looking at it in 1973 too
 
@JosephWright I had a feeling that it was, but couldn't be bothered to check...
 
@DavidCarlisle Same set of negotiations as us; fell down over Common Fisheries Policy mainly, I beleive
 
@JosephWright they have a lot of fish
 
@DavidCarlisle Colonies...
 
@PauloCereda we should ask @barbarabeeton about those, she lives in one.
 
1:35 PM
@barbarabeeton Done
 
@DavidCarlisle @FaheemMitha @PauloCereda what-if.xkcd.com/48
 
@PhelypeOleinik blimey!
I WANNA BE ENGLISH
 
@DavidCarlisle -- one that has been particularly unruly for several hundred years.
 
@DavidCarlisle I think technically that's an ex-colony.
 
38 mins ago, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha you mean it's gone? oh no!
@PauloCereda The empire was British, not English
 
1:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle I WANNA BE BRITISH
 
Jul 20 '12 at 12:26, by Paulo Cereda
I want to be German.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@DavidCarlisle -- i wanna be associated with some entity where the governing clique can behave in a civilized manner.
 
@barbarabeeton Iceland?
@DavidCarlisle ^^^ Try the link ;)
 
@JosephWright BADGERS
 
1:47 PM
@JosephWright get your pineapple pizzas there
 
@DavidCarlisle Sounds about right
@DavidCarlisle As good a plan as Brexit
 
@JosephWright that's not a difficult bar to reach
 
@DavidCarlisle Er, :) I think
 
@JosephWright -- all i see there are ads. but i've visited iceland (rather a long time ago), and i liked it a lot. an interesting place where you can watch geology happen. and in some places be in both europe and america at the same time. that part certainly hasn't changed, but i think the people part has gotten a lot more commercial since i was there. but worth taking another look.
 
@barbarabeeton "iceland" is a chain of frozen food stores:-)
 
2:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- interesting. guess the trademark laws don't apply to country names.
 
2:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- somehow i doubt that ...
 
@DavidCarlisle fake news!
 
does anyone who's italian know what these are called in italian?
they're similar to what i know as "alumettes de fromage", but the dough is different, and they're twisted instead of layered and flat.
 
3:07 PM
@JosephWright Strange name for a grocery store.
Oh, originally a specialist in frozen foods, so perhaps not that strange.
 
@barbarabeeton I don't know, never seen, in Milan!
 
@CarLaTeX -- thanks. something like these are served at a pseudo-italian restaurant, "olive garden", in the eastern u.s. and called "bread sticks". those have a bit of cheese in them but these are a new experiment at a local providence bakery, "seven stars", using their croissant dough (good, but a pale imitation of the original french puff pastry, which was the base for the alumettes that i miss so much!)
 
3:35 PM
@HenriMenke interesting. Did you ever try to emulate also the intercharclass stuff?
 
3:47 PM
@barbarabeeton Maybe it's from another part of Italy but I haven't seen it before
 
@barbarabeeton To me they look a bit like souls.;-)
Die Seele ist ein baguetteartiges Weißbrotgebäck der schwäbischen Küche aus Dinkel, das aus dem Oberschwäbischen stammt. In anderen Gebieten wird sie auch als schwäbische Seele bezeichnet. Die Seele ist außen knusprig, innen weich, luftig und feucht. Erst in den letzten Jahren hat die Seele auch über ihre Heimat hinaus Bekanntheit erlangt. Inzwischen werden in ganz Deutschland Varianten der Seele gebacken. == Geschichte == Der Ursprung des Namens wird mit dem Gedächtnis Allerseelen in Verbindung gebracht. Dieses knüpft vermutlich an ein vorchristliches Totenfest an, was die zahlreichen, bis heute…
@barbarabeeton Even though Wikipedia associates those with Schwaben, I am pretty sure I had those (only) in Alto Adige.
 
@marmot The local marmot colony is already stacking up expecting spring.
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@UlrikeFischer You need to give them more honey liquor.
 
@barbarabeeton If you would go a bit further north than Italy, you could call them Käsestange de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4sestange
 
@JosephWright The first referendum in Norway on EU membership was in 1972. It was turned down. There was a second referendum in 1994, with the same result. But we joined the European Economic Area in 1992. That was done without any referendum. Since it involved some loss of sovereignty, it required a 3/4 majority in Parliament.
 
4:00 PM
@marmot -- interesting. but not at all the same. the cheese topping is a very distinct difference.
@samcarter -- looks like a match. but still wondering where the olive garden got their idea. thanks.
 
4:13 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Sure: like I said, I thought the original talks were in the round in which we joined :)
 
4:24 PM
@samcarter Do you know the status of the beamer frame option containsverbatim? It pops up here and there but is not documented.
 
@samcarter I saw this, but I'm not sure what it means. Should one recommend the option (to include e.g. listings mit \end{frame}) or better not mention it? @JosephWright
 
@barbarabeeton Just a guess: maybe the origin of this particular form of "Käsestange" might be something in the south like South Tyrol, because where I come from, "Käsestangen" are very different, with a dough like Lye rolls, just with cheese on it
 
4:40 PM
@UlrikeFischer Maybe I'm the wrong person to ask, I'm just using what works :) I recommended "noframenumbering" long before it was added to the documentation. For using \end{frame} in listings, I would usefully suggest to create a new frame environment (I think this makes the code easier to read).
 
@samcarter I agree with you but Dallmayr seems to have the unusual ones, too:
 
@samcarter @barbarabeeton I vote for South Tyrol, too, it seems more German than Italian
 
@marmot They make good coffee. The question is: Are they only trustworthy for beverages or also food?
 
@samcarter If you are willing to pay their prices, yes. (I know Americans who only go to Munich because of Dallmayr... )
 
@marmot Some of the coffee beans are available for a reasonable price. We had them at our institute for some time. I don't have experience with any other products.
@marmot Going to Munich for Dallmayer sounds crazy, there are so many other nice things to do...
 
4:49 PM
@samcarter Yes, sure. (But still better than those who go to Vegas because there is also an Eiffel tower, and casinos. ;-)
 
@marmot :) but if the sea water level keeps rising they will soon have the only Venice...
 
@samcarter -- and the sea may be the only place that has water: nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/15/climate/…
 
@samcarter Well, as everybody know, Venice is a beach in the LA region. ;-)
 
5:24 PM
@marmot rebuilding a cite in a hotel sounded strange, but rebuilding a beach sounds even more crazy :)
@barbarabeeton unfortunately some governments are not very keen on trying to avoid this...
 
5:43 PM
@marmot replace cite -> city in my previous message (maybe I'm spending too much time with bibliographies ....)
 
6:19 PM
Hi, do you have an idea, why TeXstudio links the documentation of '\Big' to the package 'cstablestack'? I could nof find '\Big' there. Do I miss something obvious?
 
 
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7:50 PM
Anyone here could give me a workaround for this problem: github.com/xdanaux/moderncv/issues/6?
 
@JonasStein excellent package though, perhaps they just thought more people should read its documentation?
 
8:19 PM
Hi
You can split \vboxs with \vsplit tex.stackexchange.com/q/20901/2975
But there seems no \hsplit to split \hboxs
 
@MartinScharrer nearest is \vbox{\hsize=..target width \unhbox\box.. } so it line breaks to the width you want, then pick up the bits with \lastbox..
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I actually found your answer for that just seconds ago
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A: Is it possible to `split a hbox`?

David CarlisleBasically the method is as you said: \setbox0=\hbox{one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven} \setbox2=\vbox{% \hsize=.5\wd0 \noindent\unhbox0 \par \global\setbox3\lastbox \unskip\unpenalty\unskip \global\setbox1\lastbox } box1: \box1 box3: \box3 \bye

 
@MartinScharrer oh at least I'm consistent!
@barbarabeeton test worked:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Did someone bribe them? ;-)
 
:48533437 -- well you got back to me quickly enough so i could obliterate the evidence. anyhow, that's real good news. thanks.
 
8:35 PM
@barbarabeeton you have mail
 
Venice is a residential, commercial, and recreational beachfront neighborhood within Los Angeles, California. It is located within the urban region of western Los Angeles County known as the Westside. Venice was founded in 1905 as a seaside resort town. It was an independent city until 1926, when it merged with Los Angeles. Today, Venice is known for its canals, beaches, and the circus-like Ocean Front Walk, a two-and-a-half-mile (4.0 km) pedestrian promenade that features performers, mystics, artists and vendors. In the later half of the 2010s, the neighborhood has faced severe gentrification...
@samcarter The Italians just tried to copy it.
 
8:50 PM
@barbarabeeton my website looks like this monet.nag.co.uk/~dpc it wins awards for conciseness and accuracy.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- "hello world" indeed.
 
@marmot they are always doing that, they copied noodles from the chinese, pizza from the New York, answers from me...
@barbarabeeton basically just stops the default file browsing, but I can still tell you a URL below that to a file then you can get it once you have the link, like monet.nag.co.uk/~dpc/boo.html
 
@DavidCarlisle I am pretty sure you're using a very sophisticated content management system for your website, otherwise it would be very hard to manage content like "hello World" and "boo" ;-) The design is also awesome...
 
@DavidCarlisle -- well, i'll have more to say tomorrow. thanks.
 
@barbarabeeton have fun, bye
@ChristianHupfer I did spend some time going for a clean minimalist modernist feel.
 
8:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle I just made a dry-run try to upload a package with a <p> at the begin of the description and I would say it doesn't work. curl says ` curl: (26) couldn't open file "p>Lualibs`.
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, that time wasn't wasted ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer where did the < go.
@UlrikeFischer I suspect i should change it to write the arguments to a file.
@ChristianHupfer did you like the white cat sitting on the albino elephant on the home page?
 
@DavidCarlisle I would say curl or the command interpreted it as a pipe symbol.
 
@marmot Italians did it better
 
@UlrikeFischer sure but wasn't it in " quotes, how come the command got interpreted as a redirect on the commandline. the dos commandline is really awful:-)
 
9:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle If I would put the description in a file, could the current system use this file?
@DavidCarlisle how do you expand the path variable in the bash? I need to add the path to win64 folder to test there.
 
@UlrikeFischer no not really. But it is basically all there, just not joined up. there is a debug variable which if set writes all the argumens to a file and curl can read its arguments form a file as curl --config myfile rather than having multiple arguments on the commandline
@UlrikeFischer export PATH=$PATH:/foo/bar if you want to add to the end.
@UlrikeFischer using the wsl?
 
@DavidCarlisle Are you sure it's a cat? I imagined an artic fox there...
 
@ChristianHupfer hard to tell after it's been squashed by the elephant, they all look the same.
 
Hi all, can I ask something here? This is about the motivation of the senior contributors here behind all the efforts they undertake
 
@UlrikeFischer I thought about it but it might actually be hard since the token_filter callback has been removed.
 
9:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle You're contracting yourself, aren't you? You wrote the cat is sitting on the elephant, now it is squashed... or is gravity pointing upwards in your home page universe? ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle wsl?
 
@UlrikeFischer Windows Subsystem for Linux.
 
I am amazed at the contributions made here. What motivates you folks to do it? Not just at tex.sx, but the Tex community in general. This is unpaid work, most employers outside of typesettng won't understand why you do it and won't support you. Will eat into your family time. Wife, parents, kids, friends. Some people who benefit from you are non-contributors (like me, who benefited immensely, but feel guilty of not given back). Many folks ask a question here to solve one specific problem
 
@DavidCarlisle no, simply the git bash. But there it doesn't work either. The author field (with semicolon) gives Warning: skip unknown form field: Élie Roux, and the description field gives Warning: setting file p>Lualibs .... failed which doesn't look good either. I will remove the <p>.
 
@UlrikeFischer I have wondered about the interchar system too, ther eis an old answer on this site that no longer works. most of the actual use cases for interchartoks can be met with the input buffer callback or the pre-linebreak one, but they are called at different times and have different syntax so making a drop-in replacement is hard. Of course it's tempting to just take the code from xetex ad add it in to luatex... (@HenriMenke)
 
9:12 PM
I have seen posts by David or Ulrike or Nicola or Joseph or Enrico or Mico or Shreevatsa (just to name a few) which goes to extreme lengths to explain a concept, answer follow-up questions. But the OP would have got their answer, fulfilled their needs, say a word of quick thanks and leave.........
 
@JonasStein This seems to be a problem with the auto-generated .cwl files. Can you check if \Big is mentioned in your ctablestack.cwl file? [should normally be located in your home folder/.config/texstudio/completion/autogenerated/ ]
 
@UlrikeFischer I think if you call the windows tex, from a bash shell the shell-escape code will still run in the windows cmd shell (I think)
@Krishna there is a meta question on that (not very informative)
 
what drives you guys? Does it come at a great personal cost? I am asking this because even a PhD came at a great personal cost to me, and that's just 4 years. But some of you TeXnicians here are hacking at it unpaid for 20+ years.
 
@Krishna Well, some are here for the fame ;-) And others are bored by their job, perhaps. Others try to escape other addictions ... and others seek to steal ticks, seems to be very satisfactory. Others answer every table or tikz related question, regardless, whether it is the 10000000000th duplicate of some other question.
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Yes....I know...... It doesn't answer it ..... I am just confused..... I submitted the PhD corrections, and I only visited this site for specific purposes.
@ChristianHupfer Does that come at some cost? Family life, and everything? I can't imagine an employer paying to answer question on tex.SX
 
9:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm pretty sure Hans does not want to add more primitives. Also, as you said, most use cases can be achieved with other callbacks anyway.
 
@Krishna Well, some are apparently are sitting in their office of everyday work and answer questions nevertheless during their working time, being paid for other work actually...
 
@HenriMenke well no but he didn't want to add harfbuzz either...
 
@DavidCarlisle ... and so far harfbuzz is not part of LuaTeX.
 
I am a mere mortal and will never understand it. But if someone here can come down to the level of common majority of question posters, and answer that meta-question for posterity, it would be amazing.
 
@Krishna I think it's a weird kind of hobby. Some people sit in bars and drink beer. And throw darts. Others come to the TeX chat room to hang out and answer a few questions.
 
9:18 PM
@HenriMenke no but it's part of luahbtex and that may be enough
 
Humans differ.
 
@Krishna Most of us are only muggles ;-)
 
Though the darts bit I've only seen in movies and tv, not in real life.
Sounds kind of dangerous, actually.
 
@Krishna 30+ actually:-)
 
This is a serious question coming out of the amazement at the zeal at which you guys help us. I know you want to brush it off, and everything.... But can someone answer that question from the perspective of impact on personal life?
A PhD hit my personal life pretty bad, despite my best intentions of not letting it affect it
 
9:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hans also experimented with accessing harfbuzz using the LuaTeX FFI. guitex.org/home/images/ArsTeXnica/AT023/luaffi-article.pdf
 
@Krishna why does it have an impact (compared to say watching some pointless soap opera on TV or otherthings) I'm sat at home half watching depressing brexit news on the tv and chattting here at the same time. I can't see it has any impact on anything.
@HenriMenke that doesn't count though as the code isn't available, hopefully luahbtex will be in texlive 2019
 
@DavidCarlisle I know age plays some role here. But what about a slightly younger contributor with wife and kids?
 
@Krishna Some are here for procrastinating writing their thesis
 
@Krishna I reduced my work here dramatically in my spare time. I can't answer questions while standing in front of pupils/students 25 hours per week or grading written exams etc.
 
Quality time with kids playing with them, helping them with homework seem more important than a faceless recognition at TeX.SX
 
9:24 PM
@CarLaTeX Very successfully, apparently, ... I give no names, but mention @PauloCereda ;-)
 
@Krishna unlike egreg I was young once and managed to get married and have 1 kid, are you suggesting if I'd answered less questions on comp.text.tex I would have had more kids (or more wives?)
 
@ChristianHupfer and myself :)
 
No..... I am not joking here..
 
@ChristianHupfer oh no
 
@DavidCarlisle It's possible egreg was also young once.
 
9:25 PM
@CarLaTeX Oh, the disease is spreading :D
@FaheemMitha Yes, during the Roman Empire ;-)
 
@FaheemMitha seems unlikely
 
A PhD affected my time limits that I could give for my family.
 
@ChristianHupfer I was thinking when Beethoven was young.
 
@ChristianHupfer It's @PauloCereda's fault :)
 
@CarLaTeX you are mean
 
9:26 PM
@FaheemMitha That time span of 250 years is just a second compared to @egreg's geological age ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I stand corrected.
 
I know its embarassing and maybe not everyone wants to talk about these things, but it will help us understand if the impact on personal life, the time taken to contribute to TeX.SX has had....... The answer could be made more useful by tips from experienced users on how to selectively answer questions, and how to balance life-work-TeX contributions
 
@PauloCereda Oh no, I don't have a "CarLaTeX you're not mean" message!
 
Ok....that's it.... I won't push it any further...... I was hanging out here occassionally for a few months, and was genuinely impressed by the quality here. And was wondering if that came at a price, by comparing to my own situation.
 
@CarLaTeX @DavidCarlisle will paint one for you or uses picture mode to fake one
 
9:28 PM
@ChristianHupfer Oh, didn't I tell you about meeting Euclid in Alexandria?
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
@egreg Nope, but I think you told him how to write his books, suggesting typography and content ;-) \book_new:N \g_euclid_geometry_book etc...
 
@egreg ooh elements
 
@ChristianHupfer There was no TeX at the time, but we managed to get a decent output nonetheless.
 
@PauloCereda Is there a histogram of 'oh' and 'ooh', 'ooooooh' etc? or are all counted in one bin? ;-)
 
9:32 PM
@ChristianHupfer we need a statistician around. Some mathematicians are doing the counting, but you can never be sure. :)
 
@egreg Oh, I thought you anticipated TeX already about 2000 years ago
@PauloCereda Do you know a good mathematician? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer there was a guy who was decent, but the margins were always narrow. No geometry at that time. :)
 
@CarLaTeX I don't believe you. The Italians in Venice (I) have an accent. ;-)
 
@marmot I see no accents in Venezia
 
@CarLaTeX One cannot see them, only hear.
 
9:39 PM
@marmot Isn't the same for Venice (II)?
 
@DavidCarlisle I tried in the PowerShell. The output looks better but at the end it again doesn't find curl ;-(.
 
@CarLaTeX But they don't have accents there.
 
@marmot :$
 
@CarLaTeX AFAIK this starts an inline equation.
 
@marmot I think I missed something
 
9:42 PM
@UlrikeFischer I'll try to hook up the file version
 
@DavidCarlisle ok, but there is no pressure. I was only trying things. For the upload I can simply write "unchanged".
 
10:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle " I think if you call the windows tex, from a bash shell the shell-escape code will still run in the windows cmd shell (I think)". yes, this is correct. I can verify this
You don't need an entire WSL to do this
Just run a cmder portable install, which by default will use windows cmd (+ clink + conemu for readline bindings), and ships with bash and git. But the file-endings, folder path separator etc. are all windows-style. So, you can run a bash shell on it natively on windows.
 
@Krishna yes but the problem is that we can not get curl to work from the cmd shell
 
Yes....I have been facing the same problem forever
Imperial College library machines you know...Windows only :(
 
@Krishna or rather curl (which is now shipped by microsoft) works but multi-line arguments do not work as \n and " quoting seem impossible to manage
 
there is an easy-workaround that I have been doing this. cmder ships with a unix-type bash shell that bundles native curl that can be opened instead of the default cmder menu. So, try this out. It's a portable install
 
@Krishna I don't need another bash shell (I always have cygwin installed, so I have bash, X windows, make, ...) and also the wsl
 
10:19 PM
ok...from the unix-style bash, you don't have curl issues
An SSL verification warning may show up
 
@Krishna no for the use case here it has to use things available just assuming windows + windows texlive
 
Let me post some concrete example screenshots
@DavidCarlisle Yes, this is windows + windows texlive....
Imperial College does not let any other OS installation on the common machines
library, training rooms etc.
So, i have a Windows-texlive mounted on a network drive
Let me post some screenshots
 
@Krishna but you are installing additional software first which isn't an option here
@Krishna personally I have never used a windows tex, I use cygwin texlive
 
cygwin texlive is an order of magntiude slow
especially on a network mounted drive
 
@Krishna I use cygwin for everything (on a local ssd) (not just tex, almost all the windows builds at work use a cygwin bash/makefile structure)
 
10:27 PM
maybe not an order...but less than half the speed .....27 minutes to produce the PDF versus 12 on windows native
I am on network mounted spinning rust.,.... I don't have a permanent desk at university since I am not taking a post-doc role and my funding ended....so, I am using the library
For writing thesis, everyday I am forced to use different machine spread across 5 floors of my library, since yesterday's machine may be occupied by someone else.....
So, I have everything available on my network drive (H:) which gets mounted on my login with college credentials at any college machine..... You will have to consider this scenario since latex target audience is grad students who may be forced to use a lockdown environment...... Portable texlive on network drive for me since I can freely update packages, install new without admin rights
ok...here is the curl error
And, here is the workaround.....
These are all windows-specific native software...Ignore the prompt which says cygwin in the path..... I just cloned my phd thesis repo in that folder so that it is easily accessible from a separate cygwin installation, without cd .. all the way to the root of my portable network drive
it is an SSL-specific issue
 
to ctan the windows curl connects fine and uploads the zip file, it is just passing multi-line strings in the commandline arguments that fails (it's trival using a bash shell as " quoted strings can be multi-line
 
Yes, understand.....I have arbitrary curl failures in my shell-escapes too
But I am able to solve it simply by opening another suitable shell which has a different curl in its path
 
@Krishna this is for uploading to ctan via l3build upload and the whole design aim of l3build is to use just texlua not make or perl or any other software that needs installing to make a tex build/test/upload infrastructure
 
@DavidCarlisle okay david. I am not an expert, but I will say that I have experienced the very same type of curl-related problems on windows
and just telling you what I know. Maybe it will help. Maybe, it wont
 
@Krishna :-) yes thanks
 
10:37 PM
The failing curl is 7.52.1, while the successful curl is 7.61.1, both are windows-native curls called from a bashinterpreter. In my case, the dropbox_uploader.sh script uses curl internally. I am using it for the gitinfo2 package to typeset the version-stamping on my document footer
The successful curl which does not error is built as windows native by mingw compilers .... Maybe the l3build team could just build its own curl . This works on my windows machine
 
@Krishna windows 10 curl is 7.55.1my cygwin one is 7.59.0
 
okay....please try the 7.61.1
If you don't want to build it, just grab cmder. it comes with curl pre-packaged ....You don't have to install anything...... Just a portable that can unzipped, tested and blown away
 
@Krishna no as i say, the whole idea here is to use the system supplied curl, but the curl is not the problem at all that works fine the problem is if you put newlines in the windows command line then curl isn't called at all with the correct arguments, so the version isn't relevant.
 
I mean, cmder bash prompt has the successful curl, that can be used natively from windows..... No cygwin
@DavidCarlisle okay ...let me try that
@DavidCarlisle You are right. System supplied curl does not seem to be working from the native cmd prompt
but works fine from a bash shell
Btw, curl has been natively integrated into Win 10 only very very recently
 
11:01 PM
@Krishna yes last april I think
 

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