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1:22 AM
@Skillmon That's the Swiss currency.
 
 
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5:12 AM
hello. Can someone tell, How can this be interpreted \begin{pgfonlayer}{background} ...code... \end{pgfonlayer}, can one say that we are creating or constructing a layer called background? is it wrong? or is too informal? or is it fine?
 
6:10 AM
@CarLaTeX Could you illustrate your trick please here? I tried inserting <>, but it does not seem to help.
 
@marmot Done, sorry I forgot the !
Newline <!> newline
 
@Michelle Yes, you can set layers with \pgfsetlayers, see section 108 Layered Graphics of the pgfmanual. (If you really overdo it by creating 1000 layers, printers may get problems, otherwise it is a nice feature.)
@CarLaTeX Mille grazie!
 
@marmot Prego, fortunately in the article it is written correctly: "A useful trick is to put an empty comment: <!> within two empty lines to separate a list and a code block, otherwise, Markdown does not understand where the list ends and the code begins and makes a mess."
 
@CarLaTeX Yes. Of course, like any marmot, I just looked at the table. ;-)
 
@marmot Who reads documentation? Lol!
 
6:19 AM
@CarLaTeX Certainly not marmots. We are known to be lazy.
 
@CarLaTeX neither me!
 
@marmot only during Winter
 
Duck and marmot, wanna play Pinturillo?
@CarLaTeX oh thank you!! I think it is a native HTML command, right?
 
@manooooh Yes, it is!
@manooooh HTLM for comments
 
Noice
It is pretty nice that you can use other tricks from non ofificial commands accepted by TeX.SE
 
6:23 AM
@CarLaTeX Well... would not be sure of this. ;-)
 
@marmot they are speedy usually
 
@CarLaTeX slow marmots, who read manuals, get caught by the eagles...
@manooooh Not tonight, got just a real beer.... ;-)
 
@marmot Of course! It is dangerous!
 
Ok, nppp
 
@CarLaTeX Yes. Eagles use that trick. Write a complicated manual hoping that marmots will focus on it and be less careful. Really evil creatures!
 
6:30 AM
@marmot They are not evil, they must feed their puppies, too
 
@CarLaTeX Well, but they killed several of my fellow marmots.
 
@marmot I know, it's the hard Nature law
 
@CarLaTeX Are you a duck or an eagle?
 
@marmot A duck, of course, we are scared by eagles, too!
 
@CarLaTeX Something more serious. Please tell me when you're ready. I will post something and and remove it.
@CarLaTeX did you get it?
 
6:36 AM
@marmot Yes I got it
 
@CarLaTeX Do you think users should make their age public? If they are very young, this may draw some unwanted attention. (I know the age of another user who was similarly careless.)
 
@marmot I was also able to read it before you removed it
 
@CarLaTeX I am wondering if we should advise those not to display their age for their own sake.
(Of course I am very impressed by both of them.)
 
@marmot Indeed it is not appropriate for minors
@marmot maybe it is better, they are still naive
 
@CarLaTeX Yes, sure. But I am only worried that someone may exploit the naivity which they may have.
 
6:41 AM
@marmot I was impressed, too, when I read the age of the user you showed me before. He is very smart!
 
@CarLaTeX The other user is even younger, has a lot of really good posts, and is fluent in at least three languages. (I guess that many universities might be interested in these people, but it is not universities I am worried about.)
 
@marmot yes, I was telling you they are too naive to understand internet dangers!
 
@CarLaTeX OK, is there anything we could/should do?
 
@marmot Oooh
@marmot Maybe leave a comment under his post on Meta?
 
My last deleted comment contains the information why I am trying to involve you (and not some where a comment may be interpreted in a way it should not.)
 
6:47 AM
@marmot I didn't make it on time to read. He has also an e-mail published, you could write him
@marmot write an e-mail to prof van duck, maybe it is better we continue privately
 
@CarLaTeX OK, you got mail. ;-)
 
7:07 AM
@marmot just replied
 
@CarLaTeX Got it. Grazie!
 
7:41 AM
@marmot Just sent, I'll let you know
 
8:24 AM
@marmot ooh
@egreg one for the future. :) There was a nearby story selling a duck beanie. It took me a lot of self control to not buy it. :)
 
8:44 AM
Happy Epiphany to you all!
 
@PauloCereda The same to you! Re Mag(g)i are coming :)
 
@CarLaTeX ooh I see what you did there
Clever Italians
 
@PauloCereda :)
@HenriMenke Just launched a TeX Live updating and I saw a pgf new version! Thank you!
 
9:12 AM
@JouleV You got mail
 
And I got chocolate
 
 
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10:44 AM
@PauloCereda related to that, someone sent me this
@CarLaTeX yes all the low level drawing has been replaced by picture mode commands in the new version.
 
@PauloCereda here's a thread on twitter that might have your interest: twitter.com/TheMERL/status/1081175584540114944?s=19
 
11:00 AM
@marmot if you have concerns about a user profile you can/should flag the moderators who can privately contact any user (via mod ping on site, or via email) rather than leaving public comments on their profile.
 
I can't compile it ;-(. Runaway argument?
Ke;vz vzLqpip.Q.,tz; ;Lql.IrsZ.eap,qn.i. i.eLlMaesLdRcna,;!;h htLqm.M\ETC.
 
@UlrikeFischer I must admit I didn't try, I decoded it in a QR app on my phone and recognised the code. It probably added line breaks, which would be bad:-)
 
11:16 AM
@DavidCarlisle it replaces some linefeed (0A) by spaces (20). Looks like it isn't easy to pass newlines in qr code either ;-).
 
11:43 AM
@HenriMenke the new pgf version changed the definition of \ProvidesPackageRCS and this breaks the loading of pstricks. I already wrote Herbert about it.
 
11:56 AM
@DavidCarlisle So I imagine you, too, contributed to the new release, lol
 
@CarLaTeX no, just common sense logic of using the best available technology.
 
12:26 PM
@daleif ooh I need those ducks
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle that's the problem. :)
 
@PauloCereda but if you look carefully you can see a partridge in a pear tree without even needing to decode the QR
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh a partridge
 
@PauloCereda the one at the Radcliffe looks like @JosephWright
 
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@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright naughty duck
Rare footage of @JosephWright at lunch time
 
12:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle The QR code compiled just fine, really. I had to try it.
 
yo'
1:12 PM
@PauloCereda lol
@PauloCereda How do you do, by the way?
 
@yo' Fine, and you, pal? :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda it's fine, just got back from a scout seminar with many friends, and also with many interesting speakers, so it was nice :)
 
@yo' awesome!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda indeed. Btw, we're quite nervously watching some decisions of your new president, esp. about the rainforest harvesting :-(
 
@yo' We are too, every statement he does is quite frightening!
 
yo'
1:16 PM
@PauloCereda yep :-(
 
1:28 PM
*\showhyphens{pentagon hexagon heptagon octagon nonagon decagon}

Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) detected at line 0
[] \tenrm pen-tagon hexagon hep-tagon oc-tagon nonagon decagon
@barbarabeeton Shouldn't these ↑↑↑ be allowed to break at -gon?
 
yo'
1:49 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen probably yes. Note that TeX doesn't provide all hyphenation points, the point is to have no false positives, but there are false negatives :-) You can of course provide them manually
 
2:15 PM
@yo' Yes, I know I can provide the manually. I hadn't really thought of it as avoiding false positives before, though. But that does make sense. The reason I pinged @barbarabeeton is that she maintains a list of words somewhere that TeX doesn't manage to hyphenate. These are mathematical terms, hence of possible interest to her.
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen sure, nothing wrong with that :-)
 
3:08 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- they absolutely should. pentagon is already in the exceptions list. i'll add the others. (updating the list is high on my to-do list. too many lists here ...)
 
@barbarabeeton Updating my to-do list is high on my to-do list.
 
@daleif -- drat. you beat me to it!
 
yo'
3:46 PM
@barbarabeeton Are there any words ending in tagon that shouldn't allow ta-gon hyphenation? I suppose you have a way to check this...
 
4:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hello, kind David. But is it only I who am scarce in Mathematics? :-(
 
@Sebastiano I don't understand your comment here, but if you are referring to the psline question, the questioner will eventually spot that a line from a point to the same point isn't likely to make a visible line:-)
 
4:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle I do read your documentations ;-) tex.stackexchange.com/a/468820/2388
 
@DavidCarlisle David I felt like I was at school, that's why I texted you in the chat room. I thought I hadn't been clear enough for this I wrote to you that I'm poor at math :-(. Yet my students say the opposite.
@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately in Italy there is a lack of consideration of teachers by parents and families and also by students. I am not a very good professor but I can tell you with sincerity of heart that where I teach my students, very good in spirit and character, they tell me that the problem is that they do not study.
 
@UlrikeFischer excellent documentation is it not?
 
4:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle with the small glitch that it says DelayedShellescape instead of \DelayedShellEscape. ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer details.... fixed...
 
@DavidCarlisle In general I agree but not in this case.
 
@marmot don't agree that it is fixed, or don't agree that it is excellent documentation?
 
@DavidCarlisle I agree that, when it concerns user profiles, in almost all cases one should go via the moderators. There can be exceptions.
 
@marmot oh, earlier conversation not abut shellesc at all:-)
 
4:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle No. (Sorry, should have made this clear. ;-)
 
@marmot there can always be an exception to any rule, but actually if I understood your concern correctly I would say a comment like "it is best not to reveal your age" would be better sent privately than placed on a public comment and (unless you know the user by some other means) that means asking the moderators as mere mortals and beings can not send private on-site messages
 
@DavidCarlisle All true but if the wrong person sends this request it may backfire. Luckily, the right person did and all is fine. (I live in California where people are very sensitive to such issues. In case of gender or race issues (I'm not saying there is one!) one has to realize that all our moderators are white males. So sometimes special care needs to be taken IMHO.)
 
@marmot OK so this is a case where you could contact the author? You assume they are white males but only because (unlike some site regulars) they use user names and (in 2/3 cases) avatars that give that impression.
 
@DavidCarlisle Sure, strictly speaking we do not know. But the person being contacted will most likely assume the same thing. Really, I am not an expert on this, but in this case it seems to worked fine.
 
@marmot and I promise not to reveal that @egreg is older than me.
 
5:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle ... which is why he's wearing duck suites... this subtracts a few years. ;-)
 
5:52 PM
@yo' -- re checking for all words that end in -tagon, the only way i really have to do this is a web search, and i don't always trust those. but in this case it seems to be okay -- all words found that end in -tagon do hyphenate before the g. but not all words ending in -agon: "dragon" and "flagon" would be hyphenated after the g (but would be excluded by \righthyphenmin=3, though plurals would not).
@yo' -- hey, your name is back to the "short form".
 
yo'
6:13 PM
@barbarabeeton yep, it is. That's not a change of my opinion though.
 
6:42 PM
@CarLaTeX you have a typo in the link in this comment: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/459301/…
 
7:04 PM
@Skillmon Thanks, I have deleted it because it is useless now
 
7:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle just realize I owe you two Biere, one for you winning and one for me winning...
 
@Skillmon :-)
 
@Skillmon is that what is meant by “win-win”?
 
8:12 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen no, that is what happens if you try to be nice and double his chances to get the Bier. Who could have known that @DavidCarlisle would actually win with that lazy contribution (mine was a guaranteed win, because no one can argue against the simple beauty of ASCII art).
Off to play Sims with my wife :)
 
8:37 PM
@UlrikeFischer I also noticed problems with \ProvidesPackageRCS when I was fixing bugs. I guess Till changed something long time ago. Within PGF everything seems to work okay.
 
@HenriMenke it is imho mostly pstricks problem: it is trying to load a small internal part from pgf and defines \ProvidesPackagesRCS to avoid errors.
 
8:53 PM
My shadow caught up with @DavidCarlisle's ;-)
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10:03 PM
@Skillmon if she wins, you can buy her a beer:-)
 
@UlrikeFischer The avatar you are using has an aura of great wisdom and skill. So it is no surprise. ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I would prefer some cider ...
 
10:48 PM
Quick question and I'm looking for subjective opinions: I have a long document with colored code-snippets, cross-refs, links, citations, and acronyms. I have many images and need to print most pages in color anyway. I consider leaving all the refs colored for printing instead of setting colorlinks=false in hypersetup.
I used a consistent color scheme and everything fits nicely together. Are there opinions about that?
 
11:04 PM
@UlrikeFischer first beat @Skillmon then put in an order:-)
@halirutan if you are printing in colour no harm in leaving the colours, the main reason for having explicit monochrome options in hyperref and color packages is to avoid some colours ending up as unreadably light grey if printed in greyscale
 
11:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle that could be hard work, ascii arts probably counts as picture mode - and it is black and white ;-(.
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I was hoping for such an answer.
 
@halirutan When i wrote the color package I had never seen a colour printer, and had only seen, but didn't have access to a colour screen. things are a bit different now.
@UlrikeFischer how come two people have starred your shadow comment? Do they like seeing me lose?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh.. "when you wrote..". Then thanks for that. I tried to be as consistent as possible. I chose one beautiful Mathematica color theme and derived all colors from it. So all plots, the code highlighting and the highlighting from hyperref base on the same colors.
 
@halirutan "You can choose any color as long as it is black." (Henri Ford) ;-)
 
11:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle I prefer the idea that they like see me win. And you reminded me that I should star another comment.
 

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