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Mahraz
Mahraz
2:45 AM
Hi
I am using this title in my .bib file
title={Model-predictive cascade mitigation in electric power systems with storage and {renewables—Part II}: {C}ase-study},
but in the reference section it ignore the "dash" between renewables and part (e.g. renewablesPart )
has anyone faced this before?
 
 
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Alan Munn
Alan Munn
4:23 AM
@Mahraz Replace the dash with ---.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
5:11 AM
@samcarter tikzducks is also here: ctan.org/pkg/visualtikz?lang=en!
 
 
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Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
8:03 AM
@marmot @Kurt But still, it has only two prime factors.
 
 
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John Dorian
John Dorian
9:16 AM
I have come to the conclusion that I am too stupid to understand zref ^^
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
9:34 AM
@JohnDorian Insufficient knowledge is a more likely explanation, I think. But it could also be that the documentation is bad. (I haven't tried it, so this is not a judgment.)
 
 
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daleif
daleif
10:52 AM
Interesting question from new user:
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Q: Package hyperref spoils vertical spacing between displayed math and consecutive environment

Rodrigo VargasWhen the hyperref package is used, the vertical space is spoiled in the following example: \documentclass{article} %\usepackage{hyperref} \newtheorem{rk}{Remark} \begin{document} Consider this: \[ a=b \] \begin{rk} Too much space above if hyperref line is uncommented! \end{rk} \end{document} W...

spacing hyperref
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@daleif I just added a comment.
 
daleif
daleif
@UlrikeFischer see my comment, I wonder why hyperref on/off changes the doc horizontally.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@daleif Ask @DavidCarlisle ;-).
 
daleif
daleif
ohh, it is an viewer issue, the zoom level in my Evince changes
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@daleif ooh. I actually didn't test I simply believed you ;-)
 
daleif
daleif
11:03 AM
If I run the example without hyperref I get A4 sized PDF (even if the doc does not load a4paper) with hyperref it is correctly set to letter. So that was a non issue and I deleted my comment.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
11:18 AM
There is new sans serif math font on CTAN: 
\documentclass{beamer}
\usefonttheme{professionalfonts}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\setmathfont{GFSNeohellenicMath}
\begin{document}
\begin{frame}
Show some sans serif math 123:

\[\int_1^n g(x)=\sum f(x)+123 \symbb{RNC}\symcal{ABC}\]
\end{frame}
\end{document}
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
11:44 AM
@WillRobertson well I see the problem but I'm not sure about the solution. But I will add a "vage" issue so that it is remembered.
 
 
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daleif
daleif
1:19 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think the easiest method of getting rid of luatex85 in memoir is simply to do more or less what geometry does, if \pdfpaperwidth is defined set it to the stock size (and similar). We already always set \paperwidth. That way I don't need a large engine test tower. Probably only need to test for whether or not dvi output is used so we can output a special in that case.
 
daleif
daleif
1:40 PM
hmm, nope that does not work in lualatex, 10cm by 10cm example ends up as an A4
Ohh, I misunderstood what the luatex equivalent was...
 
daleif
daleif
2:08 PM
Here is basically what I would replace the current setup with (and get rid of luatex85)
\AtBeginDocument{%
\@ifundefined{pdfpageheight}{}{\pdfpageheight=\the\stockheight}
\@ifundefined{pdfpagewidth}{}{\pdfpagewidth=\the\stockwidth}
\@ifundefined{pageheight}{}{\pageheight=\the\stockheight}
\@ifundefined{pagewidth}{}{\pagewidth=\the\stockwidth}
\@ifundefined{pdfvorigin}{}{\ifdim\pdfvorigin=0pt\pdfvorigin=1in\fi}
\@ifundefined{pdfhorigin}{}{\ifdim\pdfhorigin=0pt\pdfhorigin=1in\fi}
\ifluatex\else
\ifxetex\else
\ifpdf
\ifnum\pdfoutput<\@ne
\AtBeginDvi{\special{papersize=\the\stockwidth,\the\stockheight}
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
2:20 PM
I don't think that \ifpdf \ifnum\pdfoutput<\@ne makes sense. If ifpdf is true pdfoutput is 1.
 
daleif
daleif
@UlrikeFischer I think that was copied from an older ifpdf version, I'll remove it, I've added minimum dates on loading the if<engine> packages, so we should be ok
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:22 PM
@daleif do you input graphics.sty ?
@daleif because if you do you could drop almost all of that as it already will use the right \(pdf)pageheight or \special depending on the engine and driver option: 
\ifGin@setpagesize
\ifx\paperwidth\@undefined\else
  \AtBeginDocument{%
% If a package has changed \mag, assume it knows what it is doing
% and leave page size alone
\ifnum\mag=\@m
  \@ifundefined{stockwidth}{%
  \@ifundefined{paperwidth}{%
  }{%
    \ifdim\paperwidth>0pt\relax
      \ifdim\paperheight>0pt\relax
        \pagewidth=\paperwidth
        \pageheight=\paperheight
      \fi
    \fi
  }%
}{%
  \ifdim\stockwidth>0pt\relax
    \ifdim\stockheight>0pt\relax
      \pagewidth=\stockwidth
      \pageheight=\stockheight
eg it does ^^^ in luatex
and this (note a different \speciial with dvipdfmx 
\@ifundefined{ifGin@setpagesize}
{\expandafter\let\csname ifGin@setpagesize\expandafter\endcsname
\csname iftrue\endcsname}
{}
\ifGin@setpagesize
\ifx\paperwidth\@undefined\else
\AtBeginDocument{%
% If a package has changed \mag, assume it knows what it is doing
% and leave page size alone
\ifnum\mag=\@m
\AtBeginDvi{%
\begingroup
  \@ifundefined{stockwidth}{}
    {%
      \paperwidth\stockwidth
      \paperheight\stockheight
    }%
\ifdim\paperwidth>\z@
\ifdim\paperheight>\z@
\special{pdf:pagesize width \the\paperwidth\GPT@space height \the\paperheight}%
and similar in other cases
@daleif the "hands off if \mag is set" part was by request of the japanese tex maintainers who do "stuff" with \mag
@UlrikeFischer ooh lots of people ask for sans serif math....
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
3:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle I know, I already said on the dante meeting in 2014 that we need it. That's really good news that something happens here.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer Είναι ιδιαίτερα καλό για όσους από εμάς μιλάνε ελληνικά
 
daleif
daleif
@DavidCarlisle I don't, I was looking there for inspiration, that's why I'm now using the \@ifundefined approach. I think I'll leave it like this, then we can see if anyone complains. How many is even using dvipdfmx? Luatex85 is now purged from the memoir sources.
Also got an email from Frank about \counterwithin/out, that was fixed as well.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@daleif well anyone using xetex is using (x)dvipdfmx for example, but anyway not including luatex85 is good step, thatnks 
[23/28, 02:12/02:12] auto-install: gfsneohellenicmath (46869) [413k] ... done
@UlrikeFischer ^^ :-)
[24/28, 02:13/02:13] auto-install: l3build.x86_64-cygwin (46894) [1k] ... done
@JosephWright I had better try ^^ I think:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle See today's team emails
 
daleif
daleif
@DavidCarlisle well, in my 10cm by 10cm stock tests all engines gave the same result (engines being latex+dvips+pdf2pdf, latex+dvipdfmx, pdflatex, xelatex and lualatex), not sure what else to test ;-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
3:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle It should all work :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright yes seen, I meant I better check the cygwin binary does something (not always the case as @PauloCereda knows...)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Turns out it's quite easy to add a script to TL: we should think about this more often :)
@DavidCarlisle Probably it's just a symlink
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright yes
@JosephWright er.. 
$ l3build --version
/usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build: line 1: --[[: command not found
/usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build: line 3: `File l3build.lua Copyright (C) 2014-2017 The LaTeX3 Project'
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Now that is odd
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
$ kpsewhich l3build.lua
/usr/local/texlive/2018/texmf-dist/scripts/l3build/l3build.lua
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
3:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle On Windows we have a proper wrapper, so the 'real' call is always texlua l3build.lua, but on Unix things try to run the script directly ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright oh there's no #! at the top, that's the problem then
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I guess this shows my Windows mindset: the filename is l3build.lua so it's clearly a Lua file, and shouldn't (indeed can't) be executed directly
@DavidCarlisle Well 'problem' is one way of saying it :)
@DavidCarlisle I'd say 'missing feature in TeX Live or Unix'
@DavidCarlisle If you can fix locally for today, I'll do another upload tomorrow: there will likely be more stuff to adjust
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright #! is a good feature of unix isn't it? allowing a script to say what to us eto execute it
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle You might guess I don't quite see it that way ;)
@DavidCarlisle If that's the only problem (other than the one I sorted this morning), I'll be happy :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright yes I needed that, i also needed 
 chmod a+x /usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build
then 
$ l3build --version

l3build: A testing and building system for LaTeX

Release 2018-03-08
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
3:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle Now that's a trickier one: I assumed that TL would sort it
@DavidCarlisle I'd hope CTAN don't allow any executable files in uploads, plus anyway the concept has no meaning on Windows so I don't think we can even set it generally
@DavidCarlisle Might have to check that one with Karl
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright oh but it seems it was the directory that I needed to make executable (enterable)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Er, that's probably not us
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright true, I can't tell anymore what the permissions were before I chmoded it but I got 
$ l3build --version
bash: /usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build: Permission denied
 
samcarter
samcarter
@CarLaTeX @egreg Italian question: What would be suitable (but short) exclamation if an Italian would see something disgusting, for example pineapple pizza? My dictionary suggests "ih, che schifo!". Would that be appropriate?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Could you report to Karl? Makes more sense than me doing it
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:05 PM
@JosephWright i confused myself that isn't the directory in scripts that is, as you said, the symlink to l3build.lua (which then wasn't executable)
@JosephWright OK Karl or tl list?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Probably makes no odds, but he mailed me directly about the addition so I'd be tempted to just ask him
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright +1 for Karl only
 
samcarter
samcarter
@CarLaTeX This visual tikz thing is really good! Things are so much easier to find than in the documentation! And bonus points for including the ducks :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps in the first instance I should try doing a release building from Linux: I can use my VM
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright OK I mailed Karl as well but that should probably work (unless ctan rejects it for being executable, although probably not in scripts)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
4:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle I was wondering that: they might
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:31 PM
@JosephWright should I just need to lose the lines loading l3build, like: 
$ pwd
/home/graphics-def


$ git diff build.lua
diff --git a/build.lua b/build.lua
index 04aa3f0..c6b78eb 100644
--- a/build.lua
+++ b/build.lua
@@ -12,5 +12,5 @@ sourcefiles  = {"*.def"}
 typesetfiles = {}

 -- Find and run the build system
-kpse.set_program_name("kpsewhich")
-dofile(kpse.lookup("l3build.lua"))
+-- kpse.set_program_name("kpsewhich")
+-- dofile(kpse.lookup("l3build.lua"))
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Yup
@DavidCarlisle See team email ;)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
I tried a couple or repos but get
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I've not changed our core stuff as that will only work generally once TL'18 is out
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
$ l3build check
Running script build.lua with target "bundlecheck" for module .git
Script file build.lua not found
There were errors: checks halted!
@JosephWright that's what I read, but it didn't work:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Er, something is wrong there: how did .git even get seen?
@DavidCarlisle bundlecheck is for more complex set ups ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:33 PM
@JosephWright i started in required/tools and got that error so I thought I'd try graphics-def as being simpler
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Working OK here with the version of l3build in the TL'18 pretest and commenting out the last line of build.lua in graphics-def
@DavidCarlisle graphics-def shouldn't even run bundlecheck ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright it says it hasn't found build.lua , oh if I type teh command somewhere else entirely like my home directory I get 
$ l3build check
...live/2018/texmf-dist/scripts/l3build/l3build-stdmain.lua:34: assertion failed!
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Hmm, all very odd 
C:\Users\joseph\Documents\LaTeX>l3build check
Error: Cannot find configuration build.lua
 
egreg
egreg
@samcarter Sure!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg have you got today's tl2018 ?
 
samcarter
samcarter
4:44 PM
@egreg Thanks!
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Not yet. Maybe later
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@JosephWright I tried l3build and get this:
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
:43311656
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
C:\....\citeall>l3build ctan
C:\texlive\2018\bin\win32\runscript.tlu:732: c:/texlive/2018/texmf-dist/scripts/l3build/l3build.lua:124: too many C levels (limit is 200) in main function near 'i'
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Have you edited your build.lua to drop/comment the last line?
@DavidCarlisle Think I've found an issue with one of the matches
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
4:51 PM
@JosephWright No. Does this mean I should check the docu first? ;-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer The new demo build.lua files don't have it :)
@UlrikeFischer I've not tried to 'filter out' dofile("l3build.lua"): we can but it gets 'interesting'
@DavidCarlisle One issue fixed in latest commit (on *nix one can have arg[0] as just l3build: that never happens on Windows)
@UlrikeFischer I'm hoping that a one-time edit of each build.lua file is a reasonable thing to ask
@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer I'm expecting a few teething issues, so please do try everything out :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright ah is that the issue that's hitting me, i was just going to say that this works 
texlua /usr/local/texlive/2018/texmf-dist/scripts/l3build/l3build.lua check
but not this 
texlua /usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/l3build check
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle There were a couple of bugs in that regard: I fixed one this morning (already sent to CTAN), I've now done a second one. I'll update CTAN first thing tomorrow I guess.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
and running l3build directly acts like the second, complaining about .git module
@JosephWright but if we just want to make a build.lua which works in either style can't we just surround those lines with "if l3build not already loaded ...
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@JosephWright I don't mind to edit but I can't find no indication in the docu that one should and the pdf still show the dofile. But what can one do if the build.lua should work both with l3build and with texlua build.lua?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
5:00 PM
in fact isn't that what require() is supposed to do?
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
5:32 PM
@samcarter Che schifo or che schifezza is perfect for pineapple pizza. A more polite expression could be la pizza all'ananas non è di mio gusto :):):)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps ...
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@samcarter With all the optionals :):):)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer You are meant to know what style you are using :)
@DavidCarlisle I can't really fix that after-the-fact
@UlrikeFischer On the PDFs, I'd edited that out but I think the change got lost during some rebasing ...
@UlrikeFischer As @DavidCarlisle says, require() would do the job here but really I'm working on the basis that we'll see a switch in usage. There are some things that will work better using the new approach as all of the globals are set up before build.lua is read. That will allow for example a table-based approach to the main() function.
@DavidCarlisle That is odd: have you tried the latest version?
@DavidCarlisle That's for graphics-def, right? I'll have to check it on my VM I suppose
 
samcarter
samcarter
@CarLaTeX So Che schifo or che schifezza depending on the gender of the disgusting thing? Or what is the difference?
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@samcarter: You have been mentioned in a comment, @Mico and @UlrikeFischer as well ;-)
 
samcarter
samcarter
5:44 PM
@ChristianHupfer Would you share a link?
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@barbarabeeton: I forgot you in the comment above ...
 
samcarter
samcarter
@ChristianHupfer Very kind comment!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright no that was the version from texlive 2018 with the /bin/env lline added, I'll get back to this at weekend got distracted by finding I need to re-format ~3000 example programs before going home....
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@samcarter No, it's more or less the same, you can say: la pizza all'ananas fa schifo or la pizza all'ananas è una schifezza. Schifo is the generic disgust.
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda Oh, the society of putting things on top of other things ... I must create that Journal ;-)
 
samcarter
samcarter
5:55 PM
@CarLaTeX Ah, thanks for the explanation!
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@samcarter Yes, indeed
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@CarLaTeX or you could say ham and pineapple pizza is a tasty thing that close-minded Italians should learn to accept. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@AlanMunn odly enough I was just about to say L'ignorante non dovrebbe fare commenti su cose che non hanno provato :-)
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@DavidCarlisle Esattamente!
 
John Dorian
John Dorian
Good evening :-)
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
5:59 PM
@JohnDorian Hello, J.D. ;-)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
6:17 PM
@AlanMunn :P
@DavidCarlisle L'ignorante... non ha provato (if one) or Gli ignoranti... non hanno provato (if many) tell it to Google Translator!
@samcarter You could ask on Italian.SE, we need questions there :):):) See also: italian.stackexchange.com/questions/1506/…
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
6:55 PM
@CarLaTeX I will after I have finished this delicious pizza
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright l3build working from the git repo (had to re-set the symlink by hand of course but that's probably unavoidable)
now I suppose I have to see why the graphics-def tests fail...
 
 
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John Dorian
John Dorian
8:36 PM
@ChristianHupfer I am looking forward to read you answer in-depth this evening :-)
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@JohnDorian You're welcome. I hope, I have understood your question correctly.
 
 
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John Dorian
John Dorian
9:56 PM
@ChristianHupfer What is planned for version 1.0 of crossreftools?
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@CarLaTeX @egreg @DavidCarlisle A „compromesso storico“ to end the pizza pineapple war: tomaten-atlas.de/sorten/a/97-ananastomate
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John Dorian
John Dorian
@UlrikeFischer hahaha :-D
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer no compromise possible @CarLaTeX needs to eat the real thing
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
10:17 PM
@JohnDorian: Having more 'features' than all packages by @DavidCarlisle ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@ChristianHupfer then you would be able to make answers like this:
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A: Landscape ignoring available column if abstract is too long

David CarlisleIf you had to use \afterpage{.. then the solution would be to simply move it further down the source file so that some text started to flow into teh right hand column, and the \afterpage mechanism would fill that column before inserting the landscape page. However a better solution is not to use...

 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
10:49 PM
@UlrikeFischer Is it a strange hybridize or what we call cuore di bue? giardinaggio.net/orto/pomodoro/pomodoro-cuore-di-bue.asp
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@CarLaTeX I don't think that it is this type of tomato but you can search for "pomodoro ananas" to find some italian sites describing it.
 

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