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07:35
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@yo' awww <3
08:02
@PauloCereda you got mail ...
@UlrikeFischer you too. :)
@PauloCereda correct one to four
@UlrikeFischer Got it. :)
Anyone who thinks UNIX is intuitive should be forced to write 5000 lines of
code using nothing but vi or emacs. AAAAACK!
(Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands, especially
Emacs.)

[paulo@cambridge ~]
@DavidCarlisle ^^
08:22
@PauloCereda I wonder how I wrote about 90000 lines of code (in different files, altogether) in emacs .... emphasize is on emacs... Did I mention emacs, by the way? ;-)
@ChristianHupfer ooh :)
09:00
SHOCK NEWS @egreg can do mathematics
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Since 21-3.1=17.9 and 29.7-3.16=26.54, neither book will have the stated sizes. — egreg 2 mins ago
@DavidCarlisle I used bc, of course
@egreg dc has more inspiring name/initials don't you think?
@DavidCarlisle Duck Chocolate
09:19
@DavidCarlisle daunting calculator?
@egreg or Donald Cnuth. :)
When I type hi $$x$$ ho \showlists, why aren't the letters ho shown in the log file?
I ran across this while trying to find the source of an initial space in the line following a display.
The problem is not critical, though; this happened in a LaTeX file (not of my making), and replacing $$…$$ by \[…\] cured it. But now I got curious about this.
09:41
@HaraldHanche-Olsen \[\] should be the same, (ho appears in both)
\documentclass{article}

\showboxdepth100
\showboxbreadth100
\begin{document}

 hi $$x$$ ho \showlists,
\end{document}
gives
### horizontal mode entered at line 7
\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 h
\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 o
@DavidCarlisle That's not what I get. Here is the full list as shown by \showlists:
### horizontal mode entered at line 7
\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 h
\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 o
\glue 3.33333 plus 1.66666 minus 1.11111
spacefactor 1000
### vertical mode entered at line 0
### current page:
\write-{}
\glue(\topskip) 3.05556
\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x345.0, glue set 321.66664fil
.\hbox(0.0+0.0)x15.0
.\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 h
.\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 i
.\penalty 10000
.\glue(\parfillskip) 0.0 plus 1.0fil
.\glue(\rightskip) 0.0
\penalty 10000
\glue(\abovedisplayshortskip) 0.0 plus 3.0
\glue(\baselineskip) 7.69446
\hbox(4.30554+0.0)x5.71527, shifted 169.64236, display
@DavidCarlisle I get the same in plain TeX, so it's not a format issue.
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.18 (TeX Live 2017) (preloaded format=pdflatex 2018.1.26)  8 FEB 2018 10:46
I get the same with lualatex … and with xelatex (except then the letters h, i are logged together)
@HaraldHanche-Olsen there you are, ho is on lines 2 and three of your log as posted above
@DavidCarlisle Oh, but why on that end of the list? I was looking at the bottom!
@HaraldHanche-Olsen a new hlist started after the math display so ho is in the innermost list so comes first
09:56
@DavidCarlisle Oops. Well, I learned something new, then. I haven't been using \showlists too much. I see it takes some getting used to.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ho are in the hlist that has not yet been subject to line breaking, hi only appears if you set showboxdepth deep enough and it shows as an inner part of one of the boxes that is on the current vertical list
@DavidCarlisle hmmm you really seem to know TeX
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. So out of curiosity, I reversed that display in the LaTeX file to $$…$$, and there the extra space is indeed showing up. I'll need to start some tracing to figure out where it comes from, though:
### horizontal mode entered at line 104
\localpar
.\localinterlinepenalty=0
.\localbrokenpenalty=0
.\localleftbox=null
.\localrightbox=null
\glue(\spaceskip) 2.20651 plus 1.10326 minus 0.7355
\TU/STIXTwoText(0)/m/n/9.3894 T
I knew that using $$ in LaTeX is bad, this particular problem was new to me.
10:20
@HaraldHanche-Olsen T ? that must be different input
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I don't think you mentioned the original problem, what extra space?
@DavidCarlisle Yes. The actual input below; I'll see if I can slim down the document to a MWE. Perhaps it's font related.
of the form
$$\partial_tu-A\varphi(u)=0.$$
These equations
@DavidCarlisle I get a space in front of “These”.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen there should not be (there will be a space token after the $$ but it should be consumed during line breaking
@DavidCarlisle I didn't think there should be either. Still working on the MWE.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen the log that you show is the output that I would expect from
$$\partial_tu-A\varphi(u)=0.$$ {}
These equations
That would do it, I agree. But that is not what the file says.
10:33
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I bet it is (really) (or something that generates that like \aftergroup\somefontsetupwithastrayspacefromendofline in the math:-)
@DavidCarlisle That's my hypothesis too, after grubbing to a bazillion lines of traces. Still working on the MWE; my setup is complex, so it takes time.
11:03
\documentclass{article}

\RequirePackage{fontspec,unicode-math}
\setmainfont{STIX Two Text}
\setmathfont{STIX Two Math}

\begin{document}
\small
We study \ldots
\tracingcommands=2 \tracingmacros=2
$$\partial_tu-A\varphi(u)=0.$$
These equations \newline bla bla
\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle @egreg ↑↑
the STIX Two fonts are irrelevant, too. (Sorry, I was in a hurry to get to lunch. See y'all later.)
12:00
@HaraldHanche-Olsen @egreg you can see same with pdflatex
\documentclass{article}


\begin{document}

We study \ldots
\tracingcommands=2 \tracingmacros=2
$$\partial_tu-A\varphi(u)=0.\aftergroup\begingroup\aftergroup\endgroup$$
These equations \newline bla bla
\end{document}
@HaraldHanche-Olsen if fonts need to be loaded latex does \aftergroup \restglb@settings and \restglb@settings is a \begingroup\endgroup group
@DavidCarlisle I did notice some of that, yes.
@DavidCarlisle Anyhow, the original problem appeared inside an abstract environment. It disappeared when I dropped the environment, but I whittled it down to the \small command. Perhaps the fonts had already been loaded otherwise.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen It works with \[...\] (which does contain an \ignorespaces).
@UlrikeFischer Yes, I had already noted that. So in my case, disaster is averted.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen yes \normalsize (at least) is preloaded
@DavidCarlisle Should I stop writing my thesis and wait for a final veredict on this issue? :)
12:12
@HaraldHanche-Olsen possibly though \restglb@settings could do an \ignorespaces but it would need some care as you would only want to do it if it was triggered by display math otherwise a $x$ b would lose the space before b
@PauloCereda even if every math display in your thesis was messed up, there would be no damage done, so I wouldn't worry. (empty sets are so useful)
@PauloCereda I'm sure you are using only [ ] so no problem for you! I poked you on messenger.
@UlrikeFischer replied. :)
@DavidCarlisle :D
BREAKING NEWS: Feb. 9th is "International Pizza Day"
Celebrations have already begun at Kiribati where the new day has dawned at +13h NMT (Napoli Mean Time). They will continue all over the world until the sun sets in the Pacific Ocean beyond the pineapple groves of Hawai some time after -11h NMT.

For exklusive coverage of some early revelling see https://vimeo.com/254643482

(Brought to you by Ulrike Fischer and Paulo Cereda)
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@CarLaTeX @egreg @Moriambar ^^^
12:46
@samcarter ^^^
12:56
@UlrikeFischer LOL!!!! You should add it to the duck pond!
13:25
@UlrikeFischer Wow, very nice pizza rise!
@UlrikeFischer I'll have to celebrate this with some pizza tomorrow!
@PauloCereda @UlrikeFischer Thank you very much for all the entertaining videos you create!
13:38
@samcarter <3
14:30
@PauloCereda Did you mention Duck Chocolate?
@samcarter OOH
I like the part: if you have a general question about ducks in LaTeX, use the more general ducks tag.
@samcarter: the sleeping duck question makes room for a clockwork orange duck. :)
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@PauloCereda Don't mention this book - I have a trauma after having to read it in school!
@samcarter sorry. :(
@samcarter: I have a surprise, hold on.
14:45
@PauloCereda Oh, suspense...
@samcarter You've got mail. :)
@PauloCereda replied :)
@samcarter ooh
15:04
@PauloCereda Maybe the tikzducks need bow and arrow - then one could start a Olympus tikzduck series :)
15:16
@UlrikeFischer @PauloCereda just forwarded the photo: simply gorgeous!
@samcarter shh :)
@samcarter There is place for improvement (more randomness, colors etc but I was a bit in a hurry).
15:49
@UlrikeFischer IMHO it looks very nice! In case you need more randomness for colours: tex.stackexchange.com/a/171482/36296
@samcarter are you sure that isn't a catalogue for paint? :-)
@DavidCarlisle :) Unfortunately my local hardware store cannot mix colours based on RGB values, so I would need a conversion to RAL first. The colour package needs RAL support :)
16:11
@samcarter dulux claims to support latex colour, duluxtradepaintexpert.co.uk/support/glossary#l ask them
@DavidCarlisle I think we have a terminology clash... :)
@PauloCereda you could delay your thesis and set up an OWL ontology to avoid these issues.
@DavidCarlisle ooh owls
16:28
@UlrikeFischer That's perfect timing! Believe it or not, but I have to give a pizza talk tomorrow, i.e. on February 9. ;-)
@marmot What is a "pizza talk"?
@marmot ooh
@UlrikeFischer I don't know yet, will find out. OK, it's a talk during which the audience is eating pizza. (If you were mean, you could say they come only because of the pizza, but my hope is that they come despite the pizza. ;-)
@marmot This reminds me of
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@egreg ^^ good times. :)
@marmot You could start the talk with the video ;-)
16:37
@UlrikeFischer ... meaning I have your permission? (Could I perhaps have the TeX file? it would be easier to embed this into my LaTeX talk....)
@marmot The tex file doesn't have the sound and Paulo added also some special effects (the light) so you should better take the video. But you could ask @PauloCereda for the mp4 file.
@UlrikeFischer Sure thing!
@UlrikeFischer I won't have the possibility to play sound there.
@marmot No sound e.g. on your laptop?
@UlrikeFischer @PauloCereda The laptop has to be placed in an unfortunate corner such that I think the sound won't be good. (It is a very old seminar room that has not yet been renovated. But they use it for the grad students because they are grad students, i.e. by definition a bit messy. So better no sound...)
16:49
@marmot Imho without any sound a lot would be missing (btw: it works fine on smartphones too ...).
@UlrikeFischer I don't know, with the smartphone one has a nasty synchronization problem...
.... plus my ultra modern iPhone3 has problems with the speakers....
@marmot I thought more about the phones of the students. You could give them the link as introduction. When all turn their sound on, the effect could be striking.
@UlrikeFischer probably perfectly synchronized....
@marmot that is your lecture organised, half an hour getting the technology organised to play sound, half an hour for pizza and thirty second over-run to squeeze in your talk.
@marmot oh except it's Italy so you probably can't get lunch in under three hours,
17:06
@DavidCarlisle That would save me a lot of trouble preparing the talk... and unfortunately it is not Italy, but I am supposed to talk, not eat, so it's OK. In Italy the speaker has to have a lot of self-control not to eat.
@marmot perhaps all the pizzas will be pineapple, to discourage you from eating
17:22
@DavidCarlisle We're still talking about pizza here, right? So I don't see how pineapples can enter the discussion. ;-)
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17:33
@marmot 👏👏👏
hmmm sweet pizza
When we start the pizza jihad, @AlanMunn arrives. :) Perfect timing.
@marmot "They [the celebrations] will continue all over the world until the sun sets in the Pacific Ocean beyond the pineapple groves of Hawai ..."
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18:05
@UlrikeFischer I see. And after having a real pizza, it is nice to have a Pina Colada, which requires pineapples. Good point.
 
5 hours later…
22:48
Anyone knows what happened to the texmaker website? Has been down for me since like a week.
@marczellm works for me just now
???
that's mysterious
@marczellm even stranger is an editor site that doesn't have an emacs download:-)
@marczellm Works for me too. Perhaps a problem with your internet provider?
must be. Contacted support. Thanks!
23:02
@DavidCarlisle Do you know if one can log the path of a lua-file loaded with require?
@UlrikeFischer not directly you could I suppose overload require to use kpse.find_file() i or some such to log the path...
@marczellm Have you tried to ping the site?
23:23
Just got my first tag badge… Joining some very exalted company :-)
Also:
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you may say the comma is misplaced, but it just separates two palindromes :-)
@ShreevatsaR :-)
@ShreevatsaR only 18 I thought it would have been more
23:42
yeah I thought it would be more too
@ShreevatsaR What about this? My best palindrome so far (October 2013).
@egreg I'll get there in about 75 years
yo'
yo'
@ShreevatsaR :)

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