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12:25 AM
@egreg Universit$\grave{\rm a}$ di Palermo, Italy
 
@yo' Wow!
 
yo'
12:47 AM
@egreg surprisingly enough, the result of this is not the worst you could expect!
 
 
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3:12 AM
@egreg Why do you hate \centerline? It's better than \noindent\makebox[\textwidth]{...} for the specific use-case of centring an image, don't you think?
 
 
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5:11 AM
@ChristianHupfer :):):)
 
 
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7:40 AM
@WillRobertson it just isn't a latex box, also in that question the Op didn't want a centred image even though the question said that's what was wanted. the image was a full page background template so what was needed was an image positioned on the page not on the text block
 
@WillRobertson Every time I see somebody suggesting \centerline, my pointer goes automatically to the edit button. It's always wrong to suggest it.
 
such a depressing start to the day, finding myself agreeing with @egreg
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@DavidCarlisle Think it's Monday and you are going to work, it will make you feel better.
@yo' Well, both the letter and the accent are taken from the text font. ;-)
 
@egreg \centerline{I feel better already}
 
 
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9:43 AM
@egreg I dare you to add a warning to the 2e kernel definition of \centerline that it shouldn't be used.
 
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@WillRobertson How far do you dare the core to throw warnings all around? :-)
 
@WillRobertson Goes back to latex.tex I suspect (or rather inherited from plain at that point)
 
@JosephWright It might have been useful, perhaps, to be able to declare certain commands and environment (I am looking at you, eqalign) to be deprecated, and issue a warning. But if so, there should be a flag to turn the warnings off. After all, compiling ancient TeX files is not an uncommon activity.
 
@WillRobertson Like several other macros it was kept in lplain.tex in order to ease transition from plain TeX to LaTeX.
 
10:28 AM
@WillRobertson one could imagine a latex format where all tex primitives and plain tex commands were not defined under their traditional names. No, that would be silly....
 
10:39 AM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
 
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12:38 PM
@PauloCereda Well, I'll not enter the joke train about you thesis (for now :P), and hope you finish it in time U_U. I'm fine too, thanks for asking. Still not in hurries, but will be there soon enough (sigh).
 
1:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle It does wonder about whether we should come up with a longer term plan to phase in new features (such as built-in expl3) and phase out what we reasonably can, rather than just slowly fix 2e internals one macro at a time...
 
I feel a disturbance in the sorce – is a bikeshedding episode coming up?
 
1:20 PM
@WillRobertson phasing in is a lot easier than phasing out.
 
@DavidCarlisle Of course not, just look at smartphone's headphone jacks. That was pretty easy ;)
 
@TeXnician people don't ask to listen to music on 30 year old mobile phones for some reason.
 
1:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle To a degree :) There's always the problem of interoperability if I write a document using new feature X and then send my document to arXiv or wherever and it no longer compiles.
 
@WillRobertson yes but that's fixable by users not using new features "for a while" but deleting old features and making arxiv not break their existing corpus and not have to use separate archived formats for each submission is harder nut to crack.
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7:52 PM
Hi there. Is there any LaTeX-package to draw a mock up of an user interface? Something more supportive than just TikZ??
 
@tjati not that I know of, if I had to do that I'd probably position images of the interface elements made by the framework being used rather than try to fake that look with tikz
 
@DavidCarlisle I thought about that, but I prefer simple sketches to focus the reader on the idea and not the actual implementation
 
8:11 PM
@tjati oh In that case, there is always this:
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A: LaTeX - place more than one small pictures on top of a big one

David CarlisleA sideways house (my own artwork!) with two smaller houses on top. \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{document} \begin{figure} \begin{picture}(200,200) \put(50,50){\includegraphics[angle=90]{house}} \put(175,200){\includegraphics[scale=.25]{house}} \put(100,80){\incl...

@tjati so realistic though your readers may be distracted thinking it's a photograph!
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8:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle Just try \rule[-\textheight]{\textwidth}{\textheight} to get an impression of my burrow. It's pitch dark down here.
 
@marmot I can bring light into your world: \color{yellow}\rule[-\textheight]{\textwidth}{\textheight}
 
@DavidCarlisle It's so dark that I cannot quite see what you typed ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle @marmot If any of you guys use Linux, I would suggest installing "lolcat". It's quite amusing :)
 
8:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think about that. Thank you.
 
@tjati :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik Did you tell me the lolcat thing to distract me? (Just kidding ;-)
 
9:12 PM
@marmot No... (←_←) Why would I do that? (→_→)
I just needed to know that someone else around the world is also procrastinating :P
 
@PhelypeOleinik @PauloCereda is expert at fulfilling that role
 
@DavidCarlisle Shhhh, don't summon him here or he'll never finish his thesis...
 
9:27 PM
@PhelypeOleinik Do you know the topic? It might be Sociology of LaTeX chats'' or The role of ducks in modern typography''.
 
@marmot You got me there... I vote on "The role of ducks in modern typography". Sounds interesting...
 
@PhelypeOleinik It would be more balanced and far more interesting if it was "The role of ducks and marmots in modern typography".
 
@marmot It's on "The superior nature of emacs as a text editing system"
 
@marmot Then it wouldn't be a thesis. But I would buy if it were a book U_U
 
@DavidCarlisle Or: "What does the text editor tell us about the age of its user?" TikZ could be quite handy to draw all the correlation curves, and one would not run into the problem of too large numbers...
 
9:35 PM
Talking about ducks, what happened to @PauloCereda's poll on adding a duck to the main site's header? Last time I saw it, the duck team was winning, but I can see no ducks there..
 
@PhelypeOleinik common sense prevailed
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@PhelypeOleinik Probably people were scared that this site would then attract even more users...
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@DavidCarlisle Ç_Ç Although I'm not a duck guy, I would have liked it... A little...
 
@PhelypeOleinik a user script was posted so that people could have that if they wanted
 
@DavidCarlisle Really?
 
9:44 PM
@marmot You read it in tex.sx chat and doubt its truth? Shocking.
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A: A proposal to include a duck in our background image

samcarterEverybody can decide for themselves Luckily there are browser addons which can exchange the default background image by a version including the duck, so every user can decide if he/she wants to use one of these addons to have a duck in the background image. Addons capable to do the image exchan...

 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks! But this is too complicated (or, more precisely, to hacky.)
 
10:02 PM
QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
I miss you all :)
@DavidCarlisle oi
 
@PhelypeOleinik <3
@DavidCarlisle boring common sense
 
10:25 PM
@CarLaTeX <3<3
Boring indeed. I think I'll create another poll, but to add a Southern Lapwing U_U
There's no common sense that can deny that!
 
@PhelypeOleinik must... resist... joke... :)
@AlanMunn ^^ check the Brazilian name of that bird. One for your collection. :)
 
@PauloCereda Life taught me that when someone says something like this, he wants to tell the joke, so go on, tell your joke :)
 
@PhelypeOleinik Apart from @DavidCarlisle, who's an expert on all languages known to mankind, the beauty will be lost. :)
 
@PauloCereda :D
@PhelypeOleinik He's already told it. :)
 
@PhelypeOleinik: however, that reminds of this video: youtube.com/watch?v=fb-xnIhtSgA
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I was watching this game live from Premiere. I almost fell off my chair. :)
 
10:33 PM
@PauloCereda HAHAHHAHAH This is gold!
 
@PhelypeOleinik :)
 
@AlanMunn I will not ask to don't look stupid Q_Q
 
@PauloCereda É uma habilidade que os usuários da vim não conseguem alcançar
 
@DavidCarlisle s/da vim/do vim/g
 
@PauloCereda not according to my infallible sources
 
10:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle what do Brazilians know about their own grammar? :)
Also:
Apr 29 '14 at 8:59, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Never learn grammar from an Englishman.
 
@PauloCereda If i extrapolate from how much the English know about English grammar....
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@barbarabeeton: Merry quack, Barbara! How are you feeling today?
 
@PhelypeOleinik But aren't you Brazilian?
 
@AlanMunn Yes, I am. But I am also very, very slow U_U
 
@PauloCereda Not tried this yet but saw link on bbc earlier today
 
10:43 PM
@PauloCereda -- quack. kind of tired out. the rehab slavedrivers are upping the energy level required. but i've "graduated" from walker to cane, and can now perambulate the corridors on my own. and tomorrow i get a furlough to go to the dentist. it'll be cold, but fortunately, no snow is expected.
 
@DavidCarlisle ^^ BBC SAYS I AM A NINJA
 
@PauloCereda oh no I think it's the one posted before isn't it?
@PauloCereda they are not good at japanese, they meant duck
 
@barbarabeeton ooh now you can hit people with the cane. :)
@DavidCarlisle When I was at question 9, I thought I probably did that quiz before. :)
 
@PauloCereda she could, but then she'd fall over.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle hmm good point
@DavidCarlisle: what if she carries a second cane?
 
10:49 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- i don't suppose i should tell you i got 12/12. (fun!)
 
@barbarabeeton Q3 is wrong. And 7 is dialectal. I got 11/12
 
@DavidCarlisle -- maybe not -- i've also been practicing a flamingo stance.
 
@barbarabeeton Also, since Santa Claus is non-existent, then he can only be further away. :)
 
@AlanMunn -- i guess i'll have to go back and see which ones those are.
 
@barbarabeeton 7 is further/farther
@barbarabeeton 3 is the restrictive vs. non-restrictive burning pudding.
 
10:53 PM
must... resist... posting... flamingo... joke...
Too late...
@AlanMunn OH NO
 
@PauloCereda Sorry, should I have added a spoiler alert?
 
@AlanMunn Nah, I will soon get distracted and this trauma will surely... OOH A COOKIE
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@PauloCereda But you must play this one: bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5BrQRSTxg6cslZKcrMnfc40/… if only for the first question!
 
@AlanMunn OH MY
 
@AlanMunn -- okay. but on christmas eve we make it a habit to listen to the radio reports from norad. so i go for "farther". re the burning brandy, sort of depends how many snifters are involved. that one's a tossup. (we once ordered spanish coffee at a fancy restaurant, and the poor maitre d' managed to destroy three glasses in a row in the flaming process, fortunately not setting anything else alight.)
 
11:02 PM
@barbarabeeton Exactly!
 
11:45 PM
@barbarabeeton Did you see this? nytimes.com/2018/01/15/world/asia/…
 

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