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1:19 AM
@tsar2512 the message tells you which line is overfull and by how much, also if you add draft to the documentclass options tex will put a black rule in the margin to highlight every overfull box also if you put \showboxbreadth\maxdimen\showboxdepth\maxdimen in the preamble tex will log the box contents more fully
 
 
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7:24 AM
@AlanMunn An important distinction if what follows is “flammable”, for sure.
 
8:10 AM
@AlanMunn But otherwise, the difference is clearly unsignificant. ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle @egreg Hi guys, can you have a look at this revision? Is the deletion ok, or should that part stay?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Hello! In a hurry, but fine! How are you?
@Johannes_B I HAVE TERRIBLE NEWS
 
@PauloCereda Oh no.
 
@Johannes_B I accidentally dropped my external HDD and some bad sectors arrived, but only in one specific folder: my Shakira discography!
 
@PauloCereda OH NOOOOOOOOOO
 
8:22 AM
@Johannes_B No worries, I am getting it again. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh good. :-)
 
8:57 AM
@Johannes_B The deleted part is wrong; the correct way is to use \mathopen and \mathclose
 
9:37 AM
Oh no, I have to buy a new battery for my multimeter!
 
10:17 AM
@Johannes_B the deletion looks wrong (although the original text wasn't that great)
@PauloCereda are you sure it's the battery that's wrong, you could check it with your multimeter
@egreg oh you'd said that already (@Johannes_B:-)
 
@PauloCereda You've got a multimeter?
 
@barbarabeeton The general advice seems to call for $f\colon A\to B$ instead of using :. But in the AMS Style Guide for Journals (Oct 2017) section 6.5.5 on p. 43 (which is about item lists and not about this notation), there are examples that seem to use the relational :. I couldn't find anything explicit about the colon in the style guide.
 
@ChristianHupfer He needs to measure his current state of his thesis ;)
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@TeXnician As has been recently pointed out, trying to observe the thesis is potentially harmful.
 
@TeXnician But the thesis has a high resistance ... it refuses to be written ;-)
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10:26 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Well, therefore @PauloCereda uses a multimeter with empty batteries to avoid any troubles being too exact observing his progress.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen @TeXnician: @PauloCereda's thesis is in a squeezed quantum state ...
 
@ChristianHupfer Well, if he got enough power to write it, he may ignore the resistance ;)
 
@TeXnician @PauloCereda should use the force ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer And have at least 42 pages...
 
@ChristianHupfer It has a dark side, a light side, and it binds the universe together … it's duck tape!
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10:29 AM
@TeXnician No, he should count to 42 only, not more and not less
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh nice plan
@ChristianHupfer yes :)
@TeXnician hmmm it must be the battery, it displays 0. :)
Mass time, be back soon. :) You guys behave!
 
@PauloCereda Use a Duck-O-Meter ...
 
@PauloCereda texcount thesis.tex outputs 0 even with empty batteries in your multimeter :)
 
@PauloCereda Us, behave in your absense? In your dreams.
 
Hi all, I have the install-tl-windows.exe but the installation is taking 23 hours (apparently). It's most certainly not my internet so I'd like to know how I can select an alternative mirror for the installation
Ah I read past the drop down menu. Thanks anyway!
 
 
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12:21 PM
I am back! Quack!
 
@PauloCereda Citing Agent Smith from 'Matrix': Welcome back, Mr. Anderson Cereda, we missed you ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer awww <3
 
@PauloCereda Any progresses with your thesis multimeter? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer the city does not have batteries. :)
 
@PauloCereda Build your own battery:
 
12:32 PM
@ChristianHupfer oooooh
 
@PauloCereda: You need zync and copper electrodes ;-) And some lemons
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh advanced setup
 
@PauloCereda And it works ... I've used a similar setup in my teaching of the lower level Physics classes
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh das Physiksclazz
 
@PauloCereda Oh no, you have been infected by the some disease like @DavidCarlisle, using too much zz ;-) .... it's die Physikklasse
@CarLaTeX I don't think we can wait until the end of all days ;-)
 
12:48 PM
@ChristianHupfer ooh
 
@PauloCereda While in Middle Ages German language used zz in writings this combination does not occur nowadays in 'genuine' German words, only in such words like jazz etc...
 
@ChristianHupfer jaß :)
 
@PauloCereda :--(((( No cookies for you any more
@PauloCereda :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer You're really optimistic :):):)
 
1:07 PM
@ChristianHupfer oh no
@CarLaTeX you are all mean
 
1:22 PM
@PauloCereda I don't have the "you're not mean" reply :)
 
@CarLaTeX <3
 
@PauloCereda <3 <3 <3 qua qua qua
 
1:48 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- interesting. thanks. i'll mention this to the compiler of the guide. or you could do that directly -- there should be an address for sending comments. (you can say i put you up to it; i've already caused trouble in that neighborhood. if you do, let me know, please.) i should mention that recognizing that distinction requires a finer knowledge of the usage than i have.
@PauloCereda -- morning quack. (the rehab folks haven't yet come to take me away. that is probably imminent.)
 
@barbarabeeton I'll look into that later when I have more time. And I'll let you know.
 
@barbarabeeton Quack! I am glad you are making progress. :)
 
@barbarabeeton What – they don't give you Sundays off? (Come to think of it, I am at the office myself. Not sure which of us is worse off.)
 
Does anybody has a spare upvote for this community wiki answer? tex.stackexchange.com/a/410322/36296 I'd like to close the duplicates of this question, but unfortunately this is only possible if the question has an upvoted answer ...
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- well, if i weren't here, i would be getting ready to go to the office myself. i have to write a short essay for the ams executive director to read on feb 6 at the "employee recognition breakfast", where anyone who has been at the ams for a multiple of five years will be recognized. my tenure was 55 years as of last july 23. packing all that into a single double-spaced page is a challenge.
 
1:56 PM
@samcarter done!
 
@barbarabeeton \fontsize{6pt}{14pt} might do wonders.
@barbarabeeton But 55 years is quite impressive. I've been here only 31 years, but then of course academics tend to move around more, especially early in their career.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- you realize, of course, that i started at the age of 3. (not really, but i like the sound of it.) the main advantage of staying in one place is that it's so much easier than writing a resume.
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Is anyone here familiar with titlesec?
 
@barbarabeeton But they weren't 55 consecutive years, perhaps? You studied a bit in between?
 
@CarLaTeX Thank you! An belayed happy rubber duck day!
 
2:07 PM
@samcarter <3 quack
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- actually, i spent a year after i graduated from college being a computer operator/gofer at the brown coputing lab before going to ams. (i was still "underage" when i graduated.) after a few years, i decided my brain was rotting and went back to brown grad school and earned a master's degree in linguistics, but i was working full time all the way through. (the linguistics i list under "hobbies". i'd be a terrible teacher.)
 
@samcarter OH MY RUBBER DUCK DAY
@barbarabeeton you would be a fantastic teacher!
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@PauloCereda I'm afraid rubber duck day is already over - even in your time zone :(
 
@samcarter oh :(
 
@barbarabeeton Quite impressive. I'm afraid I wasn't quite as energetic in my student days. Or maybe I was, except I spent all the extra energy doing math outside the curriculum. I guess I had a one track mind in those days.
 
2:17 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- the real downside to going back to school was that it caused me to give up folk dancing, which i really love. but i also snagged a husband in an old high german class, and that cut down available time even more, never mind that fact that he won't dance. but he's got other good things to recommend him.)
 
@barbarabeeton Oh, but time spent snagging a spouse is definitely time well spent!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- it surely wasn't intentional, but things have worked out well. anyone who can put up with me for this long surely has patience!
 
@barbarabeeton it hardly ever is (intentional, that is)
 
@DavidCarlisle, @egreg All the babel RTL bugs
 
@JosephWright … have been fixed? Splendid!
 
2:30 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen No, just logged ;)
 
@JosephWright: Hi! Do you have a couple of minutes?
 
@PauloCereda Sure
 
2:55 PM
@JosephWright This migration should have been rejected: as far as I can see, it is about producing the symbol with MathJax.
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Q: How to write the independence symbol?

LejafarI wanted to write this formula in an answer: All the instructions I found involved creating new command or extra packages, is there a list of available symbols supported by Exchange? I got stuck in this meta search where the result would be on Exchange about LaTex but not about LaTex on Exchan...

 
@egreg Probably ... I'll wait to see if the OP has any comment
 
3:11 PM
I don't think this should have been migrated. The OP is asking about support for this on Stack Exchange, and that means it is about MathJax, not LaTeX. So it is off topic here. For example, the solution \mathrel{\unicode{0x2AEB}} is appropriate for MathJax, but not LaTeX. I was going to suggest that solution when it was on stats.meta.SE, but that is not applicable here. — Davide Cervone 9 mins ago
 
@egreg Yes, I've closed
 
 
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5:56 PM
@JosephWright better to have them logged than not logged
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed: one thing I'm trying to be better at is logging issues for 'everything'
 
6:19 PM
@CarLaTeX @PauloCereda @samcarter The rubber duckie day convention (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42256097#42256097) was very successfull. If you are interested here the programme:
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6:37 PM
@UlrikeFischer Great!!!! ROFL!!! Now I understand why Prof. van Duck was so busy recently!
 
7:32 PM
@UlrikeFischer Yeah, ducks for world domination!
 
 
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9:52 PM
@UlrikeFischer @CarLaTeX @samcarter: Citing King Claudius from 'Hamlet': Though madness it is, there is wit in it ;-)
 
10:21 PM
Questions like this make me wonder: How comes that there still seems to be no satisfying solution for wrapping text around objects?! wrapfig has its flaws as well as all the other (older) packages for that purpose.
 
@Skillmon well it's hard:-) (and not really feasible in classic tex to have floating wrapped images, or images appearing at a fixed position such as top right of page
 
@DavidCarlisle obviously. But, given the time LaTeX2e exists, I thought there should've been someone (with the necessary skills -- so not me) thinking "that's suboptimal, let me fix that".
 
@Skillmon you need to fix tex not the macro layer
 
@DavidCarlisle but how comes there are/were solutions close to being good, but the last bit is still missing every time.
 
@Skillmon which is why there's a chance of doing better with liuatex
 
10:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle but I don't want to use LuaTeX (at least not now, pdflatex is doing fine and I think is faster, but on that I did no statistic)
 
@Skillmon because what you want to do is do the page breaking and decide where to position the image, as in normal floats, but then wrap the text. But in tex line and page breaking do not interact, all linebreaking happens on to a notionally infinite scroll which is later broken into pages, so it's too late to change the line breaking to to wrap an image.
@Skillmon you, me and lots of other people, which is why wrapping a figure is no easier now than it was in 1985. That's the price we pay.
 
@DavidCarlisle it's annoying that there really is a thing in typesetting where Word seems to be better. Although I won't use wrapping in professional or even scientific writing -- it's just a nice thing for occasional writing for non-professional stuff.
 
@Skillmon word has a much simpler line and page breaking model and holds the entire document in memory so it's just easier there. That said there are possibilities of improvements in the pipeline (for pdftex you can conceive of a multi-pass system that works out where the images need to go and then sets up the linebreaking on the next pass.
 
@DavidCarlisle I know that it's easier in Word because it is primitive (in comparison). And to my knowledge there is no multi-pass system implemented for that particular issue and correct me if I'm wrong but I guess that nobody is working on one either.
 
10:47 PM
@Skillmon oh I've seen prototypes (actually there is prototype l3 code to do it in classic tex in one run), but difficulty is always that it takes so much infrastructure to support that, that it's incompatible with pretty much everything, but have faith:-)
 
11:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle after seeing what l3 (read: the l3-team) is capable of, I do indeed have faith (if this is on the todo-list)
 

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